I had to write a few thousand words (6 or 7, IIRC, so nothing too long) on how The Bible supports The Big Bang Theory. It made quite an interesting read.
@Jay Leon Hart
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I'm beginning to think this Genesis thingy might have all been made up (or stolen off other religons). But why?
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One of eternal questions of man, eh? But, what it's worth, the bible's much more interesting than it appears at a quick glance (the one usually taken by zealots and your run of the mill members of the church these days) - intertextuality, number-based riddles and other stuff span both testaments. It's naturally a teaching tool for a moral ethos, but the answers usually lie a bit under the surface and require you to think on multiple levels. It's basically a big couple of books that teach you not to take anything you've read for granted or at face value but to think for yourself.
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Funny how it all worked out, really. 
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I'm beginning to think this Genesis thingy might have all been made up (or stolen off other religons). But why?
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One of eternal questions of man, eh? But, what it's worth, the bible's much more interesting than it appears at a quick glance (the one usually taken by zealots and your run of the mill members of the church these days) - intertextuality, number-based riddles and other stuff span both testaments. It's naturally a teaching tool for a moral ethos, but the answers usually lie a bit under the surface and require you to think on multiple levels. It's basically a big couple of books that teach you not to take anything you've read for granted or at face value but to think for yourself.
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Well, there are a few quite clear instructions in it that you can't really interpret any other way - things like don't kill and don't steal 
@Golden Girl
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Well, there are a few quite clear instructions in it that you can't really interpret any other way - things like don't kill and don't steal
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And never, ever kill steal!
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
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Yeah. One of the biggest and saddest things ever happened to Christianity was when people started teaching other people what they had read in the bible (and writing their own versions of it) instead of teaching people to go read the bible and discuss what they found there.
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Well, there are a few quite clear instructions in it that you can't really interpret any other way - things like don't kill and don't steal
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Oh boy. You haven't really looked around and seen how wrong those things can be "interpreted"
And it's not "everything written in the bible is a lie", it's more "everything and anything (even that which seems oh-so-simple) written in the bible might contain more information than you get from hearing a translated version without the surrounding and referenced text." Bible leans heavily on intertextuality - one could compare it to the modern "hypertext" where a document can contain metainformation and be linked to other documents because of this underlying info. Translations destroy most of that information as it's usually encoded in the word-choices and how the letters of those words translate to numbers in the original language. But luckily and of course, some of the metadata still remains through translations (Why 5 loaves, 2 fish... why not 6 loaves...?). The Bible is very thought-out book. Taking it as just "funny stories, of which some are boring and some are important, with whatever numbers and names that just popped into the writer's head" is the undervaluation of the millennium (or two)
And just so you don't think otherwise, I do believe "Do not kill" and "Do not steal" are good guidelines for life.
Edit: PS. And whatever you do, don't take the words of a person who doesn't speak your language (a Finn in this case) on a MMO forum about a book written in third and fourth, as some form of truth you need to believe. He might be lying about some things. You'll never know without going back to the source and then spending time thinking about it yourself. In fact pretty much everything you come across should be questioned. Even more so if it's about your faith or lack of it in things.
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In a symbolic way, yes - just like countries are usually thought of as being female.
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Besides, even with your logic, angels would then be thought of as males in a symbolic way, which would mean that they aren't in fact male, but genderless.
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In a symbolic way, yes - just like countries are usually thought of as being female.
[/ QUOTE ]They are? I usually just think of them as, you know, countries.
Besides, even with your logic, angels would then be thought of as males in a symbolic way, which would mean that they aren't in fact male, but genderless.
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I didn't say angels were thought of as male - being called "sons of God" seems to indicate that they're male for sure.
@Golden Girl
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Funny how it all worked out, really.
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Yeah. One of the biggest and saddest things ever happened to Christianity was when people started teaching other people what they had read in the bible (and writing their own versions of it) instead of teaching people to go read the bible and discuss what they found there.
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Well, there are a few quite clear instructions in it that you can't really interpret any other way - things like don't kill and don't steal
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Oh boy. You haven't really looked around and seen how wrong those things can be "interpreted"
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Well, bringing it back to witchcraft again, there's also a well known command in the Bible that says "you must not allow a witch to live" - and it's pretty hard to see how that can be interpreted in any way that doesn't lead to murder.
@Golden Girl
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Make them no longer study witchcraft? ZOMGLOGIC!
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
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Well, bringing it back to witchcraft again, there's also a well known command in the Bible that says "you must not allow a witch to live" - and it's pretty hard to see how that can be interpreted in any way that doesn't lead to murder.
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Yeah, but doesn't that go against "thou shall not kill"? At least if you say both these are true and command of God in the full extent.
What you're seeing is something along the lines of "Bible is written sloppily and has contradicting arguments".
What I'm seeing in those two passages is something more along the lines of "You're looking at a logic puzzle with an answer somewhere in the book that has some nice clues about it written in the form of the original text"
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What I'm seeing in those two passages is something more along the lines of "You're looking at a logic puzzle with an answer somewhere in the book that has some nice clues about it written in the form of the original text which no-one has probably read in over 2,000 years"
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Edited to show how much could be missing from The Bible these days.
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Edited to show how much could be missing from The Bible these days.
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Exactly 
Not to forget that even if out bibles were magically transformed into the original language, the book is still a limited selection of the original texts. And furthermore, a selection that was not selected by the original authors but by some clergymen in the whateverth century who already had some own ideas about things, instead of just passing on the original.
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Make them no longer study witchcraft? ZOMGLOGIC!
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And the part where it says people who use magic or summon spirits must be killed?
@Golden Girl
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Well, bringing it back to witchcraft again, there's also a well known command in the Bible that says "you must not allow a witch to live" - and it's pretty hard to see how that can be interpreted in any way that doesn't lead to murder.
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Yeah, but doesn't that go against "thou shall not kill"? At least if you say both these are true and command of God in the full extent.
What you're seeing is something along the lines of "Bible is written sloppily and has contradicting arguments".
What I'm seeing in those two passages is something more along the lines of "You're looking at a logic puzzle with an answer somewhere in the book that has some nice clues about it written in the form of the original text"
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There's a distinction between private killing, and judicial killing - there's no real puzzle about commands that tell individuals not to kill, but says that killing in the name of God is fine.
@Golden Girl
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There's a distinction between private killing, and judicial killing - there's no real puzzle about commands that tell individuals not to kill, but says that killing in the name of God is fine.
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You're interpreting quite a lot there.
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There's a distinction between private killing, and judicial killing - there's no real puzzle about commands that tell individuals not to kill, but says that killing in the name of God is fine.
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You're interpreting quite a lot there.
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Not really - it was the mindset they had back then - individual murders are harmful to society, as they lead to cycles of violence and revenge - but society as a whole can kill someone who is seen as a danger to society.
@Golden Girl
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BACK ON TOPIC!
The Midnighters pillar only links to the Cimerora pillar
Hence:
1. No backstory arc's etc available through it.
2. It in an unregistered pillar with a single fixed destination.
[u]Unregistered[u] pillar = Unknown to Orobourus = No oro portal (perma)temp power.
Several of the Faultline history arc's unlock the portal, My main hero had it at level 20, a major PITA that he couldn't use it until he was level 25.
IMHO: The portal access should be limited to level 25, unless your character has already unlocked the portal temp power and is level 20.
Basically ATM you cannot use the portal power to access Orobouros yourself unless you are level 25, once you reach level 25 if you have not obtained the portal (perma)temp just ask another player to open a portal for you, which IIRC counts as time travel and grant's you the (perma)temp power.
Nuff Said...
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Gaining the portal's never been a problem (see post on page 2 
). I am just curious as to why the Menders are unable to detect the time travel back to Cimerora. However, I think we've covered that now. A different conversation seems to have taken over.
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Well, as the Ouroboros Citadel seems to be outside time, and isn't a part of our world, maybe they can't detect the Midnighters crystal on our world?
@Golden Girl
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And the part where it says people who use magic or summon spirits must be killed?
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That's not in *my* Bible
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
Just out of curiosity wouldn't the Orobouros menders notice players using the portal power from Cimerora anyway, along with a pre-council villain group who also appear to have gone back in time...
(Phew, visible spoiler avoided...)
Mind you I'm still trying to figure out how the 'Pocket D' teleport and 'Call' contacts on their (mobile/cell)phones still work from there and how the Cimerora mission givers seem to have cellphones, surely the 'Call' roman mission givers should be replaced with 'Summon Runner' which summons a roman herald who fades in, runs up to you, pauses, then runs off and fades out.
Adding to this why doesn't the 'Call' option do '/em cellphone'?
As using the hero police radio does '/em listenpoliceband' and the villain newspaper does '/em newspaper'.
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Final note: Please drop the biblical posts....
Nuff Said...
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Creator of: Coolio's Tech Beacon Replacements
AE arc 402506, 'The Rise and Demise or Otherwise of Tekna Logik...'.
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And the part where it says people who use magic or summon spirits must be killed?
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That's not in *my* Bible
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It's in Leviticus - a man or a woman who has a familiar spirt must be killed by stoning.
@Golden Girl
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Just out of curiosity wouldn't the Orobouros menders notice players using the portal power from Cimerora anyway, along with a pre-council villain group who also appear to have gone back in time...
(Phew, visible spoiler avoided...)
Mind you I'm still trying to figure out how the 'Pocket D' teleport and 'Call' contacts on their (mobile/cell)phones still work from there and how the Cimerora mission givers seem to have cellphones, surely the 'Call' roman mission givers should be replaced with 'Summon Runner' which summons a roman herald who fades in, runs up to you, pauses, then runs off and fades out.
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Yeah - being able to ring Marcus in Cimerora is weird - espcially if you're not even in the zone
I think it would have been ok if they made it so that you had to go to him each time - the zone's not that big, and it wouldn't have been too much trouble to return to him eahc time.
@Golden Girl
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I'm beginning to think this Genesis thingy might have all been made up (or stolen off other religons). But why?
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One of eternal questions of man, eh? But, what it's worth, the bible's much more interesting than it appears at a quick glance (the one usually taken by zealots and your run of the mill members of the church these days) - intertextuality, number-based riddles and other stuff span both testaments. It's naturally a teaching tool for a moral ethos, but the answers usually lie a bit under the surface and require you to think on multiple levels. It's basically a big couple of books that teach you not to take anything you've read for granted or at face value but to think for yourself.
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