Opinions please


Baby_Phoenix

 

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Ok, I'm seeking your opinions,

Should we be reporting character names we don't agree with?

I was playing one of my lowbie characters last night pottering about in Kings Row, when a character broadcast that they were looking for a team. Now their name isn't obscene, or -phobic, or in breach of any copyright, but it is in poor taste and something I personally find offensive.

My gut reaction was along the lines of "that's out of order", and to petition them, but I haven't, yet. I suppose I'm trying to figure out if I have the right or responsibility to enforce my views for "the good of the game".

What do you think?

Actually, while I'm at it, can anyone tell me why I get so annoyed when Empathy defenders stick Healing Aura on auto?

I mean, it doesn't hurt me, doesn't cause much of an impact on the team performance, and anyone should be able to build/play their own characters the way they want. So why the hell does it [censored] me off so much?

Have I been conditioned by the forums to despise this style of "lazy" play, and the stereotyping that is associated with it? The team was around level 12, so it's not as though we didn't benefit from a "Healer" as well.

Sorry, rant over, back to the original question;

Should we be reporting character names we don't agree with?

Cheers,

Mike.


 

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Technically, they ask us to report named which break the terms of the EULA. Be they a copyrighted name, or offensive. Other than that, I don't think they're too bothered. Either way; if in doubt, report it and the GM's will decide if it's an appropriate name or not.

As for the heal aura... I don't have a problem with it. I just with empaths would turn it OFF when the team is between mobs!


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If you as a player find a toon name offensive, then you have a right, and some might say an obligation, to bring it to the attention of the GMs in the form of a petition. I have done this a few times for... dodgy... toon names. Not copyright or offensive as such, just ones that could be interpretted poorly (whether I was personally offended or not, though I did make it clear in each of the petitions if I was offended).

And Heal-spamming is noisy, bright, and occasionally irritating if it goes off just before you get smacked by an AV. Other than that, it's not a problem.


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if in doubt, report it and the GM's will decide if it's an appropriate name or not.

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QFT!

*ahem* More seriously, that's pretty much spot on. Better off reporting it and letting the GMs decide than letting a character run around for months with what might not be an appropriate name.


 

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I used to be more zealous about petitioning names, especially all the wolverine derivatives. Something would have to be pretty offensive now to get me to write a petition for it. Go with your gut, no harm done either way.

As for people who have heal aura on auto always and never turn it off even when standing around at trainers etc... I'd have them banned for life with no second chance!


 

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I still remember one hero i saw over on US servers when i played there.
Was in boomtown looking for a team (this was like first weeks of release there) and i end up teaming with...
"The Amazing Butt-Bomb"
His costume wasn't bad really. But when we started combat and he did his battlecry i almost fell out of the chair laughing. He used some power or something which made him crouch togather (like before doing infero) and then he went "Aaaah i'm exploding!" And upon completion he was covered in black smoke (he was a dark/dark scrapper).

I didn't have the heart to report that creativeness, but he got generic'd a couple of days later.


 

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I've probably reported a few dozen in my time.

If I feel a name is offensive to a certain racial/cultural/whatever group then I report it immediately, no question.

If a name is a rip-off of a copyrighted/licensed property and it bugs me (i.e. it's not funny/clever enough to get my appreciation - it's just a total lack of originality or a deliberate rip) then I'll report it IF I have the time and it catches me in a bad mood

If a name rips off a copyrighted/licensed character, but is done in a clever/funny way (i.e. parody, more than direct rip-off or homage) that brings a smile to my face then I don't report it, even if I think it probably breaks EULA. I usually take any bio they have into account when deciding.

I pretty much never report costumes, unless taken together with the name they're an EULA breach.

I'd never report a name/costume just because they were terrible though - tbh at least 50% of the characters I see are pretty bad, but that's subjective opinion and nothing to do with breaking rules.

But honestly if in doubt, report it and let the GMs decide as said - they're the ultimate arbiter of EULA-breaking names, not us.

BTW on my Corruptor I put Radiant Aura on "auto" during Mothership Raids and Rikti Raids and even some TFs, because when it's laggy the auto function is faster than my PC/interface is once I've pressed the button (I sometimes get 2-5secs of power lag in really laggy situations). Never been called a noob for it - had people say "great healing" a few times - but it's a personal choice and frees me up to focus on debuffing/damage.


 

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Poor taste to one person is offensive to the next,

so isuppose it depends, i rarely seen names i find in poor taste (i read the backstroy if in doubt, or if it looks wrong, look up the words their using and try to get a context on them) and then maybe ill petition.

usually I save it for copyright stuff, simply becasue i dont want the devs to have another costly legal battle over that again.


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I agree with all the comment that have said flag it if you're in any doubt.

Having said that I've seen some close to the mark names in the past, laughed my [censored, but means cute little behind] off, and never given a thought to flagging them.

I'd find the name Purple Cobra very funny, and I perfectly understand that Mary Whitehouse might find it highly offensive, but it's down to her to report it, not me.


 

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I'd find the name Purple Cobra very funny, and I perfectly understand that Mary Whitehouse might find it highly offensive, but it's down to her to report it, not me.

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I doubt it would bother her either - she's far too dead to care


 

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I think the only things that I've ever reported have been things that endanger the game, ie blatant copyright infringement and/or offensive (to me) names.

To my own knowledge I'm the only person who has actually petitioned my own toon's name to see if it passed muster but I guess it's not something that gets discussed often.

FFM is spot on tho; Report 'em all, let the GMs sort 'em out



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Normally I would agree with reporting the name and then seeing the response of the GMs.

However last year I had a very bad experience in LotRo, there was this whole crazy thing about reporting names that had RL meaning on RP servers, which I found stupid and was because of a badly thought out EULA about RP servers. Even the GMs where not sure how strongly it should be enforced, what ended up happening was a small minority of people where reporting left and right, GMs felt pressured to act so they punished players they might have ignored normally.

I think what I am trying to say is that if it's not -phobic as you say and does not have actual curse words in it, I don't think it should be reported, or at least think twice before reporting it.


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I've reported the odd name that was obviously copyrighted such as hulk/wolverine/superman etc rip offs and a couple i personally found really offensive but not names that could be interpreted in different ways. Sometimes a name is so obscure that it is just nice to see that someone shares my abominable taste in literature and I leave it. I have even petitioned myself a couple of times just to make sure that the name I'm using is obscure enough that it won't cause a problem.

If someone is being blatant about their name and/or costume then they deserve to wake up one day and find themselves called Generichero19476

As for healing aura, sometimes it can be quicker to have it on auto than keep reaching for the button. It leaves you free to target heals and buffs whilst standing next to the main damage dealer. But I agree with you that people should turn it off outside of combat.


 

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Hi,

My opinion is as follow : if you have to ask the "community" opinion the name in question is probably EULA compliante.


 

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I'd find the name Purple Cobra very funny, and I perfectly understand that Mary Whitehouse might find it highly offensive, but it's down to her to report it, not me.

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I must say I don’t mind innuendo in a name if you’re adult enough to work it out and it’s not crude, best of luck to them.

I think society is going a tad too prudish in some instances a little to much PC at time

But if in doubt shout it out at least to GR he’s waiting for your call right now


 

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I know who you mean im 99% sure and I was talking to my friend about this person. I haven't petitioned him yet but I do think the name is in bad taste.

The guy in question says his name is named after something else, but the fact that it reminds me of something extremely different makes me want to have him renamed.

My 2 Inf.


 

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As you havent seen the name in question i cant say in this particular case, but a few ppl i know have been genericed for names that were at most a bit saucy and not offensive, well to me anyway. i personally couldnt care what someones name is and wouldnt report it anyway i also think petitioning someone for having a rip off costume is petty aswell, i dont see how it effects the game player (i can see why the GMs would want to do something though)
oh and yeh it is annoying to have it on auto


 

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i dont see how it effects the game player (i can see why the GMs would want to do something though)

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Well, let's see.

If someone should rip off a copyright character, and NCNC don't generic it due to nobody telling them, and the copyright holder sues NCNC, causing the game to be shutdown; I think that would have quite an effect on the player, don't you?

And don't say it couldn't happen, because that's EXACTLY what Marvel tried to do. If they hadn't agreed to settle out of court, it's possible we might not HAVE CoX to play...


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i dont see how it effects the game player (i can see why the GMs would want to do something though)

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Well, let's see.

If someone should rip off a copyright character, and NCNC don't generic it due to nobody telling them, and the copyright holder sues NCNC, causing the game to be shutdown; I think that would have quite an effect on the player, don't you?

And don't say it couldn't happen, because that's EXACTLY what Marvel tried to do. If they hadn't agreed to settle out of court, it's possible we might not HAVE CoX to play...

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Well, let's see

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i also think petitioning someone for having a rip off costume is petty aswell, i dont see how it effects the game player (i can see why the GMs would want to do something though)

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If I am not mistaken the player have to create a ripoff character with the same name ( or very close ) AND costume to "break the rule".


 

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I believe that "Name and likeness" violations are the most likely ones to be actioned by the GMs, but that doesn't mean they won't Generic others.


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And don't say it couldn't happen, because that's EXACTLY what Marvel tried to do. If they hadn't agreed to settle out of court, it's possible we might not HAVE CoX to play...

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Is that right? I thought the whole case was thrown out in the end?


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And don't say it couldn't happen, because that's EXACTLY what Marvel tried to do. If they hadn't agreed to settle out of court, it's possible we might not HAVE CoX to play...

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Is that right? I thought the whole case was thrown out in the end?

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Nope. Some parts were dismissed, but the remainder was a closed out of court settlement.


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nope settled out of Court.


 

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Yeah, just been reading up on it.

Saying that, given that nothing whatsoever changed in CoX, I think that was a "win" for them


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Out of curiosity, what was it about this individual's name that bothered you? I'm not asking you to quite his actual name, but just give us an idea on what it's like?