I agree in the sense that controllers do need a boost but in what area would we be boosted to keep the game fair? If they increased our mag hold we would be able to hold most players in pvp in 1 shot which is extremely unbalanced.
The only thing i could say to keep it fair is to raise the base damage of controllers but lower the containment damage.
Iv only mainly got pve experience on my ill/rad i'll be honest but it is by far one of my strongest toons. Last few days iv been having competitions who can clear a certain map the quickest (the family mission 
) and i came out on top everytime.
Its like the description says "strongest and weakest of al ATs". Most of the time i feel unbeatable with my high dmg, heals, debuffs, buffs.
Can i ask what lvl and powers your controller have? The only powercombo that i can think of that might seem underpowered is perhaps Earth/Emp but then logic says thats a team based toon.
Ok i put in too much there but its early/late so im allowed Controllers in the right hands are the most dangerous foe to face against, Ultimate Damz v DM/SR scrapper, Ultimate Damz wins 2 - 0. So its not totally underpowered
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Boost Controllers... yeah, right... they're as powerful as ATs come these days.
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I play grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21) and working on many others but to lazy to qrite them all down but the thing you need to stack these days to get someone held but they just walk away or regens that are held and you are throwing everything that you got and they regen it automaticly. Also new sets for scrappers, how about controllers? The EU servers are dying everyone is leaving, I wonder why O.o
If you think they are empty now, just wait and see on April, when Age of Conan and Warhammer online are released
Well, if my Grav/Kin can hold a Brute in Warburg (then defeat them ) they can't be that underpowered.
@Jay Leon Hart
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grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21)
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jeeeeeeeeeeeeez.If you cant kill a scrapper with a fire/rad or a grav/storm or a blaster you have an issue with your pvp playstyle and nothing else imho.
I faced a fire/rad on a scrapper and on a tank and the amount of holds placed on me was ridicilous didnt have time for anything.
.... lol. Rename the topic make it CONTROLLERS = UNDERPOWERED IN PVP IF PLAYED WRONG.
Seriously, Illu/Emp doesnt kill things, it keeps its team alive... very well. They are not designed for killing normally (with a few exceptions). PvP is the minority anyway, you cant just change trollers for pvp without effecting pve. Just find a playstyle that works and try and work with teams.
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grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21)
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jeeeeeeeeeeeeez.If you cant kill a scrapper with a fire/rad or a grav/storm or a blaster you have an issue with your pvp playstyle and nothing else imho.
I faced a fire/rad on a scrapper and on a tank and the amount of holds placed on me was ridicilous didnt have time for anything.
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signed with love TG 
, stick with PVP if you get killed don't just logout in a strop get back up and go figure out how to play your AT
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Also, a point always worth emphasizing in these threads. CoX is NOT balanced for PvP. It is predomiently a PvE game and there are some ATs and some powersets who just won't be able to PvP. Others are wonderful in PvP but don't team in PvE well (however, they usually do solo well).
LOL PVP.
<3 my fire/kin.
Oh please, I played vs all of you, and I can kill, sure I can but I just wanna open the developers eyes that controllers are becoming underdogs and ill/emp= its a SUPPORT toon muppet what else do you expect of an freaking empath.... And trollers are nasty to fight with but if blasters get this boost thats what everyone will be making( already is )
And my fire/rad is still on farm build it hardly ever comes out in pvp... and well the other controllers are still in progress... I did a match vs myself when I switched and the amount of holds I could spam was EviL and don't even have the rech sets I want.... and not even halfway for the build I want.
Greetz REPELLIA !!!!!!!!!
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Oh please, I played vs all of you, and I can kill, sure I can but I just wanna open the developers eyes that controllers are becoming underdogs and ill/emp= its a SUPPORT toon muppet what else do you expect of an freaking empath.... And trollers are nasty to fight with but if blasters get this boost thats what everyone will be making( already is )
And my fire/rad is still on farm build it hardly ever comes out in pvp... and well the other controllers are still in progress... I did a match vs myself when I switched and the amount of holds I could spam was EviL and don't even have the rech sets I want.... and not even halfway for the build I want.
Greetz REPELLIA !!!!!!!!!
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And a Blaster dropping out of the sky = full Defiance.. gets lucky.. boom-headshot isn't overpowered enough?
I personally enjoy Defiance as it was.. i used to enjoy RIDING defiance.. get it as low as i can (killing myself intentionally) then laying waste to every mob around me.
As for PvP standards I wouldn't know.. but I've see some blasters in Siren's Call use the same tactic and actively look for DMG for Defiance to kick in.
I'm not entirely sure about this new "update" to Blasters, as I've not had the time to trawl thru a load of "I know best.. I've had a Blaster and died 10001 times to prove it* threads -- but Defiance on it's own made Blasters Dangerous -- Containment made Controller's dangerous. IOs gave other ATs that cud have it's Mez Rez broken by Controllers stacked Containment a fighting chance...
Much similar to Stacked CM vs Stalkers Hide/Stealth ... 
It's how you play them, really...
But nothing is overpowered/underpowered really.. it's just how incapable some people are at them.
are these threads a joke or something?
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are these threads a joke or something?
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must be...
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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Oh please, I played vs all of you, and I can kill, sure I can but I just wanna open the developers eyes that controllers are becoming underdogs and ill/emp= its a SUPPORT toon muppet what else do you expect of an freaking empath.... And trollers are nasty to fight with but if blasters get this boost thats what everyone will be making( already is )
And my fire/rad is still on farm build it hardly ever comes out in pvp... and well the other controllers are still in progress... I did a match vs myself when I switched and the amount of holds I could spam was EviL and don't even have the rech sets I want.... and not even halfway for the build I want.
Greetz REPELLIA !!!!!!!!!
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Illusion/Empath is a support class you muppit.... that was what i was saying... your just diging a whole across lots of diffrent boards, breaking lots or rules. Just quit now and save your self even futher prolbmens.
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I play grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21) and working on many others but to lazy to qrite them all down but the thing you need to stack these days to get someone held but they just walk away or regens that are held and you are throwing everything that you got and they regen it automaticly. Also new sets for scrappers, how about controllers? The EU servers are dying everyone is leaving, I wonder why O.o
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Strange I do recall seeing a post of yours where you were saying how your troller can take down tankers.. Frankly if you can do that then NO you are not underpowered
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For me it is :P
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Re: Is aid self in PvP overpowered? [Re: Godfall]
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sorry to say it but.. My troller is build to wear out a tank ^^... grav/storm!! I just slow and pop my big fluffy pet out of the sky to drain end... and if ppl want unstop...I just wait for it to wear of :-\
And yeah I cant live without aid self these days its just a power... If we keep this up we are gonna whine about holds and debuffs and stuff...
But I can understand your point ^^
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HAH!
@Jay Leon Hart
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LOL. Your problem is that you lack in skill really and nothing else.Thats a conclusion after a)dueling you in arena with a non duel blaster and in a map that favours stormies b)team arena against you and your SG.
I wont go about zonal pvp because if you expect to get unassisted kills with a grav troller in zonal PvP you must be really out of your mind.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA
I can see you feel passionate about this but I have fought all kinds of combo's & AT's across PvP - the overpower underpower shouting doesn't really work..
play style - fast thinking - using a builds strengths avoiding the weaknesses where you an - with a grav troller enjoy spaming the slow effects from it with your storm.
just keep trying things out buddy - also cross posting isn't really needed on this subject.
Well IMO Trollers do just fine in PvP
*note I use - Grav/FF - Ice/Storm & a claws/regen alot*
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I play grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21) and working on many others but to lazy to qrite them all down but the thing you need to stack these days to get someone held but they just walk away or regens that are held and you are throwing everything that you got and they regen it automaticly. Also new sets for scrappers, how about controllers? The EU servers are dying everyone is leaving, I wonder why O.o
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Maybe you should think about leaving, too. It's better than you posting the same thing twice in incorrect places without having a clue what you're talking about
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I play grav/storm(50), fire/rad(50), ill/emp(31), mind/kin(21) and working on many others but to lazy to qrite them all down but the thing you need to stack these days to get someone held but they just walk away or regens that are held and you are throwing everything that you got and they regen it automaticly. Also new sets for scrappers, how about controllers? The EU servers are dying everyone is leaving, I wonder why O.o
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Maybe you should think about leaving, too. It's better than you posting the same thing twice in incorrect places without having a clue what you're talking about
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If we're talking about the OP itself, 4 places.
blasters and regens: Overpowered !!!!
I don't like whining but I just got to say this because its bothering me to much. In pvp I find that regens are getting to overpowered and with this whole defiance change its happening to them aswell...
Now since the IO's came out regens got the chance( and they all do it) to make their regen rate so high its not normal anymore combined with dullpain and fast healing they are in my eyes the most overpowered set in all CoH and CoV.
Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power... Scrappers got critical strikes so they got in one hit more damage but I don't see no crits resistence or any of that kind so now I wonder, is it still all that fair. I know holding someone is something powerfull but how can someone get enough damage done unless you are a rad or kin with -regens.... also kins power doesnt even fase regens these days, because of the regen and rec rate....
Same with blasters they shoot out that much damage and now they get a boost ? What the hell is wrong with this game, are we really turning into WoW ?
Most blasters can 2 shot trollers so why the extra boost, in my opinion they got enough damage anyway. Also while i'm at it lets talk about /fire brutes and fire/ tanks double build up O.o ? That must be the reason why everyone is making one these days because it can spam so much damage that its not normal but still the controller gets no boost. But we troller players still got to cope with end problems, stun problems and all that stuff. YES, we can fix most of it with IO's but don't forget other Archtypes can do it aswell so i'm really hate fighting blasters and scrappers these days everyone is getting a boost, but controllers ? No they are to strong well lets see that if you are that squishie with low damage before contaiment kicks in but that power isnt even getting used these days only in PvE, I like to hear other trollers players opinion about this.
I'm not a whiner but I just had to say this !!!!!