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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off 
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Heros
Max Powerz: Lv 50 Tanker
Villains
Max Khaos: Lv 50
Overlord of E.V.I.L.
My Brute - http://maxy-khaos.mybrute.com/
LF SG! Arc ID# 193083
Stalkers needed the ability to reach the stealth cap simply because there are too many ways now to avoid being killed.
Example my SR scrapper, will all toggles on he will most likely get AS'd but then after that i can safely say 8/10 times the next attack will miss and i can use the aid self (read earlier you saying about interupt heal - a lot of pvpers take this power and slot decrease interuption time in it, its well worth it ) to get me back to full health before releasing a fear or knockdown power to give me enough time to finish him.
Stalkers are a pain to fight everyone will admit but if you took away their stealth cap/raised perception cap then you would be throwing away their only/main ability to pvp.
(btw iv faced stalkers who dont use hide for 1 on 1s so i know they got other abilities too 
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A team of stalkers with some proper builds can beat any balanced team on arena imo. As for duels, there are some builds a stalker will never beat, but they can always force a tie, no matter vs who, and that's something no other AT can do
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Ice Tank's can come pretty close, perma Dull Pain and a 33sec Recharge on Hibernate.
Yup but ice/rads or cold corrs, specially fire/cold, can still own them
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off .
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Why would anyone be running around a zone, not fully healed when there are stalkers about? Who in their right mind would?
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off .
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Why would anyone be running around a zone, not fully healed when there are stalkers about? Who in their right mind would?
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Well they could have got some damage from anyone else in the zone. Could be engaging against a scrapper/blaster (enter any other AT) and stalker times his attack. You know that you have been caught by stalkers before ...
Heros
Max Powerz: Lv 50 Tanker
Villains
Max Khaos: Lv 50
Overlord of E.V.I.L.
My Brute - http://maxy-khaos.mybrute.com/
LF SG! Arc ID# 193083
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
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This sums it up perfect.The OP needs to stop whining,stop being a noob that doesnt observe how he/she gets killed in PvP zone and start learning.
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off .
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Why would anyone be running around a zone, not fully healed when there are stalkers about? Who in their right mind would?
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This reminds me of one thing that will come to be after possilbe defiance change, no more defiance blasters. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to each of us to decide themselves.
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off .
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Why would anyone be running around a zone, not fully healed when there are stalkers about? Who in their right mind would?
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This reminds me of one thing that will come to be after possilbe defiance change, no more defiance blasters. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to each of us to decide themselves.
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but that would mean I can't scream DEFIANCE [censored]! and 1 shot someone after I get AS'ed.
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
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This sums it up perfect.The OP needs to stop whining,stop being a noob that doesnt observe how he/she gets killed in PvP zone and start learning.
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Yep - the OP has to accept that we don't have a problem with stalkers. Only they and other noobs do. Maybe its a lack of imagination or common sense - who knows? But stalkers are not hard to counter.
In fact, I'd liken them to runs through the hollows. They sort the men from the noobs - which is a good thing.
Stalkers kill the noobs - so we don't have to. Three cheers for stalkers!
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Dont be so defencive in your posts, people are just pointing out that stalkers are not that bad really.
Sure they can be a pain if you are solo, or if you get hit by group of stalkers working together but that is TRUE for every archetype.
I managed very well in zonal pvp without taking things like the med pool or leadership. Your best defence is mobility and good reflexes.
But what I normaly do have is a totaly different power tray setup from pve.
What you need to do is look at what is giving them the oppurtunity to hit you, keep an eye/ear out for the tell tale sound of a stalker powering up and only use inspirations then to save on usage.
Another thing is how are your powers slotted?
I was not overly effective before I took time to look at my slotting.
So far I have not pvp'd with any of the so called "Stalker hunters", as frankly I hate playing one trick horses, why hunt stalkers when there are the major threats like Brutes,dominators and corrupters lurking around?
My main zonal pvp character isa Sonic/em blaster, it was the first character I ever made and despite not having any leadership powers or med-pool powers could hold its own very well in pvp in all zones.
The main problems I would have would be preventing the stlakers escaping if they were doing hit and run tactics, some of them I would be allmost unable to hit with my dissorient power as the mez would not stick.
Mind you that was only really the case if I was going for a stalker that was attacking someone else, if it was attacking me, my massive damage attacks were more than enough to scare the stalker off or defeat them.
'but how long before its actually possible to pvp with a hero?'
To answer your question NEVER.
Sorry but that made me laugh.
Now stand still so I can AS you.
Union/Defiant
@Wistaria.
@Dark Relic
In summary, I think what people are saying to the OP is this....(to the tune of Ruby by the Kaiser Chiefs).
UBER, UBER, UBER, NOOBER!
(aahhh, aaahhh, ahhhh, ahhh, ahhhhhhh)
Do ya know, know what you're doing?
(aahhh, aaahhh, ahhhh, ahhh, ahhhhhhh)
Know what ya doing, doing to stalkers?
(aahhh, aaahhh, ahhhh, ahhh, ahhhhhhh)
UBER, UBER, UBER, NOOBER!
(aahhh, aaahhh, ahhhh, ahhh, ahhhhhhh)
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Im begining to understand now why I was told its useless to post here :/
Its not a lack of experience why i didnt take the medicine pool because its rare your up long enough to use a interuptable heal PVE or PVP, if i cant get time to use an insp then how can i use a power? :P
I wouldnt waste my time posting here if i didnt know what i was talking about because I'd be getting flames every two minutes, much like is starting to happen... needless to say by a stalker.
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Just going back to your earlier comments I hope what has been said hasn't put you off. You say you know what you are doing but surely you must think why are people saying "its you" and stalkers don't need nerfing? A lot of people have tried to point some helpful hints and some simple errors you are doing but in the majority of cases I think you are just ignoring them. Unless you are prepared to reevaluate your tactics I don't think you and your friends will change your mind (or your luck with stalkers).
Heros
Max Powerz: Lv 50 Tanker
Villains
Max Khaos: Lv 50
Overlord of E.V.I.L.
My Brute - http://maxy-khaos.mybrute.com/
LF SG! Arc ID# 193083
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Because if you have a fractional bit of damage a decent stalker can probably land an AS to finish you off .
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Why would anyone be running around a zone, not fully healed when there are stalkers about? Who in their right mind would?
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This reminds me of one thing that will come to be after possilbe defiance change, no more defiance blasters. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to each of us to decide themselves.
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but that would mean I can't scream DEFIANCE [censored]! and 1 shot someone after I get AS'ed.
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Yes, thats why Ive been saying "oh [censored]" in defiance thread..
I think the OP just has to accept that they are not very good at PvP. Accept it and move on. We have.
@Sweet Chilli
I don't think the OP has been back to this thread for ages. So there is little point in telling him to accept it and move on lol.
Something tells me they are still reading it - just too ashamed to post....as they should be!
@Sweet Chilli
its nice to be back, so i can post on teh forums.
Stalkers are uber in pvp?? has the game changed that much in 4 months? last time i checked, i used to hunt stalkers for a past-time, and to this day i dont think one has taken down my regen.
with you all the way angel !
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its nice to be back, so i can post on teh forums.
Stalkers are uber in pvp?? has the game changed that much in 4 months? last time i checked, i used to hunt stalkers for a past-time, and to this day i dont think one has taken down my regen.
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Don't worry, nothing has changed. Do you mean you didnt get these kind of threads when you were last playing? Like I said, nothing has changed.
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I wouldnt waste my time posting here if i didnt know what i was talking about because I'd be getting flames every two minutes, much like is starting to happen... needless to say by a stalker.
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I really want to try to help you here, but to do so I have to disagree with you, politely and for your own better understanding. If you cannot accept that an argument with your preconclusions is possibly for your benefit, or if you are too attached to your prejudiced (means: judged before) view that stalkers are too powerful to properly consider argument, then this will not work as with prior posts.
If so, then yes, you'll get no joy here. Bt is that our fault, or simply because you have come with preconditions, only accepting total agrement, and unwilling to allow for the fact that maybe not everyone is spending considerable time on detailed replies just to argue with someone they don't know. Most here are doing this to help anyone who bothers to read and consider the relies.
And so you know, I don't have a stalker character, and don't want one, having played them in the CoV beta, and while admiring the AT, deciding that I just wasn't a stalker type. I enjoy almost every other AT, I'm just not a skulker at heart. 
Right, with all the prequalifiers done...
Firstly, a major part of the Stalker archetype is that they Stalk. Pretty obvious huh? Yet still people criticise a stalker fleeing an exposed battle to return to doing what they are meant to do, stalk unseen, and strike quickly and decisively. The clue is in the mane. They are not a Tanker (who tanks) nor a scrapper (who scraps).
So, obviously, a stalker-killer (not the same as an anti-stalker) build is about slotting to survive AS and then not allow the stalker to vanish. That means high mobility and good debuffs, and preferably some placate resistance, oh, and the skill to stay on him/her.
However, you're still missing one important point. The stalker is predominantly a solo AT. Its their strength. Even in a team, there's something insular and isolated about the whole concept of stalking. To really be sure of killing stalkers, you need to be playing team games. Solo, most of the time all you are going to do is reach stalemate.
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P.S stalemate is a draw not a loss, yes a tankers job is not to go down but that doesnt mean hes won either, it means both partys walk away unscathed, the tanker can claim moral victory in fact he lived but the stalker can claim same because the tanker was never close to victory :P
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Now, stalemate is NOT a lose, except for the stalker who is now stuck spending ages creeping up on a target for no purpose. If the stalker cannot kill you, (s)he soon picks an easier target or goes home.
Seriously, a Stalker is all about the kill. If you don't die, you have robbed the Stalker of his entire role in life. You've made him impotent. He is the Mr Droopy of the assassin world. He has lost unless he can find something else to kill and regain his sense of potency. Either way, you most certainly beat him on the psychological level. Utterly.
The number of builds that can reliably and predictably survive stalker attacks 1v1 indefinitely are huge, if the builds are made that way. Stalker versus any form of tank solo is pretty much an exercise in futility unless the actual player skill levels and experience greatly favour the stalker.
An Ice Tank is particularly annoying to stalkers because with their built in +percep they always see a stalker within 10 feet, often further if the Stalker has just activated AS dropping any secondary stealth before the actual animation, etc. Icicles as a PBAoE help keep the stalker visible so long as the tanker stays close, and chilling embrace helps slow the retreat of a stalker to make staying close a little easier.
However, catching a fleeing stalker is very tough, and so it should be. Their whole AT is about stalking, which obviously includes fleeing back into the shadows to stalk again. If that sounds too powerful, well think about it a little deeper. The stalker is a bit like a blapper, but instead of having all that superior ranged damage, and some of it being unresistable, the Stalker is only at his full potential against targets that don't see him, or are held. Oh, but the second he actually uses that full potential, he loses the stealth, and all the power that came from it.
A Scrapper or Brute both do way more damage over time than a Stalker can. Its just that where a Scrapper needs luck to get those Critical hits, or a Brute needs time to build up that rage, the Stalker has an ability that lets him get his damage boost up front instead. Remember that he needs to stealth again to get a second such boost though.
The stalker is a very balanced AT overall but part of that balance is that the Stalker excells against single-target mobs, whether in PvE or PvP. If you are alone, you give stalkers an advantage. With teammates, you have an advantage over even a team of stalkers (that whole even in teams a stalker is a lone wolf thing).
I'm simplifying things a little, of course. Experienced players can team stalkers very effectively, but other ATs that team are often 'more than the sum of their parts', such as the Tanker taunting foes while his teammate uses interuptible powers, or the defender/controller buffs, etc, etc.
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Experienced players can team stalkers very effectively, but other ATs that team are often 'more than the sum of their parts', such as the Tanker taunting foes while his teammate uses interuptible powers, or the defender/controller buffs, etc, etc.
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sorry rushing didnt get time to quote, but surely thats wrong on its own? you just basically said it needs a TEAM to take down ONE stalker.
Also further up you mentioned its easy to kill a fleeing stalker, have you ever tried to catch a teleporting or SS stalker? plus the fact they have resists to slows, holds etc, the set is way overpowered, you dont even need IO sets to kill 75% of the game, tankers take so much damage in one hit its not even funny anymore.
last post as im now going to start praying pain domination doesnt make masterminds godly 
i forsee another fire/kin troller set.
How many more villains are they gonna overpower? seriously its getting beyond a joke, if they want pvp they need to stop being so one sided.
Since when has villains been over powered?
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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.
Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.
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Stalker will be running as soon as you've healed but good luck