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Looks like someone can't take good advice. Oh and before you accuse me of being a stalker, no i'm a defender. And i've kicked alot of stalker a** on my kinetic/electric.


 

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Ok...You said that you didnt want to flame but that's clearly what you're doing here.

Agreed that some of the posts could've been less flamebaiting but especially Maelwys' posts have tried to explain to you what to do. It's your choice to shrug it off and decide noone here knows what theyre talking about simply because they dont agree with you.

I understand it can be frustrating after being killed repeatedly by stalkers to come here and and start crying nerf but as others have said stalkers really aren't a problem unless you decide to stop moving or if they spike you...and that goes for all ATs.

Stalkers are fine...also...buff CM pls


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Perhaps instead of flaming the people trying to point out flaws in your argument, you should level a Stalker yourself and discover its weaknesses by yourself. If you fail to see the logical fallicy in your arguments, fail to heed other people when they point them out, and refuse to discover them for yourself, then frankly you're due everything you appear to get from Stalkers in PvP zones.

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Also, try to playing it in the actual zone you are talking about in your arguments instead of just trying it a bit in Bloody Bay and then assuming it's overpowered. Hardly any serious PvP'ers play in Bloody Bay. You'll find out exactly how weak your Stalker can be once you enter into Sirens and are up against some experienced players.


 

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Ok I have a friend with a 50 Kat/Regen scrapper and i personally have seen him try the same thing as you said, but still doesnt stand a chance, he is fully slotted with IO's, but vs AS then placate and another attack (not sure what was used) he just falls over dead because the damage he dishes out doesnt even make the stalker sweat in the time it takes for him to kill him.

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Sounds like your friend needs more practise. He didnt a.) have dull pain running, or b.) didnt click reconstruction after AS. If the scrapper managed to use both correctly then the stalker has little chance other than run (unless its a regen stalker).

If you are placated, jump away, its not harder than that. Heal, attack again. Its not exactly rocket science, but you need decent reflexes. no time to stand around and admire the scenery.


 

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buff CM pls

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You mean nerf it


 

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I mean any player stands no chance against an equal level stalker no matter what AT/Powers they are

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Only n00bs wont stand a change.


 

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Since stalkers have such an extreme damage output, remove the resists to status effects, they should not have resists if they can kill most classes in two hits anyway in equal level/slots.

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[censored] idea. They are a melee AT that cant do much out of hide.

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Make +perception vs Hide ratio a little more balanced so you actually have a chance to see them with so called 'Stalker killers'

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Stalkers ARE the only AT that is based around stealth.

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Change how Hide works, basically make there be a chance (lowerer without +proc) to see stalkers in a certain range, this one would be a big change so if it was implemented then would need to increase the stalkers defence a bit to give them a fighting chance. Idea i had was a 10%-15% chance without +proc and between 30%-40% with +proc (difference with +proc substantial because not many classes support it and would still be fairly equal because each target in combat would still have half a chance to win or lose, so stalkers not overkilled)


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If they'd ever make that, they'd make AS strike uninteruptable.

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Reduce the damage output, despite how much damage they deal and at the minute it is a problem but as damage dealers this should be a last resort, I personally am not in favour of this one because i think it would be overkill but nevertheless its still an option.

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Their damage is [censored] out of hide anyway.



Stalkers underperform in high-end pvp, teams and of course they got their key power, placate, bugged. Not to mention stalkers in PvE. Most of them are not getting selected for teams with results to boring soloing, Both pve and pvp. They are not that great already.


 

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Just FYI I PvP on a Stalker.

I do also PvP on a Brute, Defender, Controller, Blaster, Tank, Mastermind and Scrapper.

I have never found a Stalker to be "the be all and end all" AT when it comes to fighting with, or against anyone or anything in any PvP Zone or Arena.

From experience I can happily say that Stalkers are fine in the long run - if you're having problem being beaten to a pulp in Sirens, simply tweak your build, keep moving, move to Warburg or RV (where Stalkers are arguably weakest imo) or, hey, get a bit more to grips with your build and how powers work.

That's not a l2p argument, that's in responce to you trying to use Freeze Ray after being AS'd. You will not hold anything with Acro or better with a Blaster in one shot. A Break Free will also break Placate, so use those. Also - run lots.


 

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As others have mentioned the idea that stalkers are gods in the pvp world is sadly misguided. It can be very frustrating at first when you keep getting killed by stalkers (and believe there is nothing you can do) but if you re read the advice that many people have been saying you find that most people just laugh at stalkers. Although you see lots of stalkers in zones you will notice a distinct lack of them in arena pvp (which is where I guess you tend to get more experienced people). This is because stalkers are not all that and are normally brushed aside. For the record I do have a stalker but you find me pvping mainly with the awesome eliteness of energy/thermal. That is far more useful to my team then a stalker. I think the key thing to grasp when fighting a stalker is movement. Master that (getting someone with buffs such as an emp also helps loads) and you soon you find that your opinion on stalkers would be different.

Im surprised at some of the comments you have said especially if you pvp on union. I would have imagined you would have seen the likes of TG, Globey and co take great delight in killing everything that moves (including stalkers).

In answer to your question it is very viable to pvp with a hero - the question really should be when is it viable to pvp with a villain .


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little instance here though, your in sirens, trundling around as you do with your ice/device blaster, looking for something or someone to kill, bam you get hit by a stalker, down to 50% or lower hp, this point your first instinct is either heal or freeze ray so... 1) heal- they placate and crit, back same situation then smoke flash and dead or run till hide comes back and repeat 2) freeze ray- slow or held, either way breakfree run, repeat.

Main point being in a realistic pvp situation like sirens you cant just stand at same point throwing caltrops or ice storming because you will be there all day and not hit anything because they just take a step back and find an opening.

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You should have dropped caltrops when you knew you were going to stand still or when you heard the noise of build up. With 3 recharges you can get caltrops up pretty quick. This was before IO's, you could prolly get it going much quicker now with recharges on the set bonuses if you wanted to. Also, placate is pants now.


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Oh yah, delight vill be taken and you vill be forced to die in dedark.


 

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stalkers having [censored] dmg out of hide LMFAO


 

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I am a villain and have never, ever, EVER had a stalker that can get to pvp. I myself feel that stalkers are fine as they are when fighting my corrs and doms. The single best advice I can give would be to try doing some arena stuff in Pocket D to learn how to fight stalkers. It sounds to me that the key issues here is that you are focusing continually on their strengths and not trying to exploit the key weaknesses of stalkers. Like the fact if they miss AS they are generally boned!

I suggest you read the info on this games pvp and you'll realise that actually the things that need nerfing are heroes not villains as pvp is slightly stacked in their favour, both numerically and build wise. There will always be ATs you have trouble with - one of my corrs has some issues vs tankers but eats blasters and defenders, my dom eats scrappers and trollers, but has issues with tankers and another of my corrs has issues with trollers but can eat most other things. My 3 chars that I pvp with are NOT stalkers, and I myself have fought tons of stalkers in the arena and have learnt that you need to really try different approaches, but when you do you can literally split them apart. Dont believe me, goto SC and you'll see.

And lastly, I would just like to quote your sig angelsabre:

'PVP is just PVE with different reactions...and a person sat on the otherside of the losing charecter to log onto the forums and yell NERF!!!!'

Do you not see the irony of this?


 

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not pvp-ed that often.. but in an arena fight even in solo... a stalker was not able to kill my necro mm. Perception is high due to tacktics and the pets taking over that ability when within range. Tarpatch and hover makes it very hard for him to get close without losing hide.. and if he hits me... most are dark stalkers... and dark energy defence is high on Shadow fall... If I survive its one go-kill-attack button away... and he really has to run for his life.

Only a very well played stalker get me in one-shot.. most manage to get close to me in the air and buff up with lots of reds to really one-shot me. If I dont die.. they are [censored]. My regen is buffed to the max using IO's and I will come back hard.


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stalkers having [censored] dmg out of hide LMFAO

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Tell me one power except ET that will do serious damage out of hide.


 

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not pvp-ed that often.. but in an arena fight even in solo... a stalker was not able to kill my necro mm. Perception is high due to tacktics and the pets taking over that ability when within range. Tarpatch and hover makes it very hard for him to get close without losing hide.. and if he hits me... most are dark stalkers... and dark energy defence is high on Shadow fall... If I survive its one go-kill-attack button away... and he really has to run for his life.

Only a very well played stalker get me in one-shot.. most manage to get close to me in the air and buff up with lots of reds to really one-shot me. If I dont die.. they are [censored]. My regen is buffed to the max using IO's and I will come back hard.

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yup, stalkers wont do much in arena, since their enemy knows that he is there.


 

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total focus


 

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total focus

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not even close to serious/overpowered damage. its quite balanced for 'extreme' damage.


 

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Impale too.

Often simply just used for playing "Tag the squishy"...

Though I agree that in general damage out of hide is fairly pants, EM Stalkers are quite happy to operate out of hide in terms of their damage output... pity they still tend to get faceplanted by a stiff breeze...


 

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Sorry but I fail to see how Total focus damage out of hide is pants.


 

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Sorry but I fail to see how Total focus damage out of hide is pants.

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Pants no, balanced and not overpowered yes.


 

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Aye TF takes about a million years to activate anyway - you never fail to mention that on arena...

Doesnt seem like extreme damage..

As to you getting killed by stalkers in pvp..
Dont stand still foool
If you are arrogant enough to think you can just stand still and PWNZ0R all then you deserve to die!

Stalkers have crappy low hp, and only melee attacks, take their stealth away and they'd just be farmed over and over...

Stalkers are balanced in pvp if anything they need an hp buff because at higher levels they suck a**.

Play one and you'd see that


 

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I wouldn't say its crappy low its the same as controllers defensers, dominators, corruptors


 

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To be honest, I don't know how anyone who has a fair bit of pvp experience (and dare I say is intelligent enough to have learned something from that experience) dies to a stalker.

Jump around all the time, if one manages to hit you, pop a bf. Because you were already jumping, they are surpressed, you ain't. Heal, turn around and beat them like a ginger step child.


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A team of stalkers with some proper builds can beat any balanced team on arena imo. As for duels, there are some builds a stalker will never beat, but they can always force a tie, no matter vs who, and that's something no other AT can do