How viable are dom's for LRSF?


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So what if you're a grav/?


 

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I think /energy assault is slightly superior to other assault powers because of the heavy control factor they bring in from the melee disorientates.

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This I can agree with. I've played ice/thorns before my ice/energy and the difference is night and day. Being able to Block of Ice - Total Focus - Block of Ice (or Block of Ice - Bonesmasher - Block of Ice earlier on) to control solo spawns in a few seconds is invaluable.


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It's funny, I find /energy one of the weaker assault sets and would take /ice over it any day if I wanted Power Boost. Maybe /energy is better solo but I find the blasts and AoE really weak, snipe useless and the entire set just slow in general.

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I don't disagree. Energy is lacking in damage. It's great for (ST) control though, and it looks better than ice.


 

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I do think doms are viable and even if they werent i wouldnt turn around to one and say sorry but someone elses toon would be better. First come first served basis would have to stand and its up to the whole team to make things work.


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Even if they werent i wouldnt turn around to one and say sorry but someone elses toon would be better. First come first served basis would have to stand and its up to the whole team to make things work.

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Very well put.


 

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I was on a team recently where four Doms tried to take on a +2 Aurora Borealis. Three of us were the normal level for her (with -2 SOs and some missing outright), and the other exemped down. Getting over her regen was no trouble at all. I'm also pretty sure we held her through her triangles when we all had Domination up.


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With four dominators I would be surprised if you didn´t. If you had taken overlapping turns with domination you probably would have been able to hold her until the cows come home.
And regarding dps I find that my kinetic corruptor constantly outdamages my dominator, but that is simply because of fulcrum shift. If it is enough to solo or duo an AV without PToD it can´t be that bad.

So, for the question "How viable are dom´s for LRSF?" I have to say they are very viable, but if you want their primaries to count during the AV fights you will need at least two good and well coordinated dom´s, otherwise the PToD will strike at the most unopportune moment.
Thinking about it, one of the best LRSF setups I can think of would consist of two brutes (each one covering weaknesses of the other), four corruptors with a certain variety of secondary powersets and preferably one sonic attacker and two dominators. Have to try this when I find the necessary time...




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Thinking about it, one of the best LRSF setups I can think of would consist of two brutes (each one covering weaknesses of the other), four corruptors with a certain variety of secondary powersets and preferably one sonic attacker and two dominators.

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Heretic.

Posts like this disgust me. You're implying that a balanced team with a mix of ATs and powersets will do best, almost as if the game was designed to be like that. You and your sort have no place here.


 

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Thinking about it, one of the best LRSF setups I can think of would consist of two brutes (each one covering weaknesses of the other), four corruptors with a certain variety of secondary powersets and preferably one sonic attacker and two dominators. Have to try this when I find the necessary time...

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That's fairly similar to a setup my SG was considering, and my boyfriend and I actually have a couple of Doms we were levelling specifically for that kind of setup. It's also worth keeping in mind that it's very easy to send an AV to sleep, even when the triangles are up... we had a plan somewhat based around that fact. I think the only reason we didn't put our full weight behind it was seeing how much easier it is to just pull the Heroes anyway.

Of course, if you've pulled two or three of them, having one of them held even part of the time really is helpful. Same goes for if you opt to just rush them. I know the one RSF where we had a Dom along, I could really tell when he had Domination going, and it was useful. Two would doubtless have been better, and having seen for myself what three or four Doms can do to an AV by themselves (actually, I've seen two stay over an AV's regen rate while in Domination), I feel they can certainly do enough damage to justify their place on an RSF team.


 

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Thinking about it, one of the best LRSF setups I can think of would consist of two brutes (each one covering weaknesses of the other), four corruptors with a certain variety of secondary powersets and preferably one sonic attacker and two dominators.

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Heretic.

Posts like this disgust me. You're implying that a balanced team with a mix of ATs and powersets will do best, almost as if the game was designed to be like that. You and your sort have no place here.

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You might want to replace one or two of the cors with one or two MMs. As the lvl of heroes went lower MMs aren't useless anymore (henchmen fight at -3 -4 -5 instead of -4 -5 -6). They fixed traps' vomit with I8, and traps is a common choice among MMs, I had a trap MM in my RSF yesterday and heroes were puking everywhere, half of the time.

/poison is an awesome secondary for ST debuff. The 38 power is awesome against Statesman, it's a mag1000 hold for 4 seconds.

And /dark is almost as great as for corruptors, as it gives -30% res and same -regen as cors for MMs.

The RSF is pretty balanced now, they'd only need to add unresistable damage to AS (it's there in pvp, but not in pve) and all stalkers crits to make stalkers useful in the 2 last missions. I'd certainly want stalkers on my team if they could AS for 700+ through Statesman's unstoppable.


 

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Thinking about it, one of the best LRSF setups I can think of would consist of two brutes (each one covering weaknesses of the other), four corruptors with a certain variety of secondary powersets and preferably one sonic attacker and two dominators.

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Heretic.

Posts like this disgust me. You're implying that a balanced team with a mix of ATs and powersets will do best, almost as if the game was designed to be like that. You and your sort have no place here.

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I dont know how you can think he is implying that or how you can be so harsh. In his example he doesnt include every AT, there is no MM or Stalker.

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The RSF is pretty balanced now, they'd only need to add unresistable damage to AS (it's there in pvp, but not in pve) and all stalkers crits to make stalkers useful in the 2 last missions. I'd certainly want stalkers on my team if they could AS for 700+ through Statesman's unstoppable.

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Agreed to a similar extent.


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I'm not sure but i'd think Filth's post was written in sarcasm, though it was missing an emote


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Considering the suggestion to replace one corruptor with a MM: Yes, I have thought about that. That´s the reason why I wrote that the mentioned team setup was one of the best setups I can think of.
And yes, my favourite two MM secondary powersets to include would definitely be poison and dark.
However, I find it by far more difficult to find an equally good team setup including stalkers (at least unless they get unresisted damage in PvE). So, as soon as you have an experienced LRSF-team a stalker won´t hurt you, but stalkers will definitely not be part of my LRSF dream team.

Edit: Ooops, I just realized that I suggested something like a balanced team setup with a mix of different powersets again... I guess I should better get some fire-proof asbestos underwear before Filth catches up.




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/poison is an awesome secondary for ST debuff. The 38 power is awesome against Statesman, it's a mag1000 hold for 4 seconds.


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Excuse me, what power is that again?


 

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Noxious Gas: (City of Data)

1000 Held to Target for 4 seconds (0% chance) if (target = critter)
(Human and target.HasTag?) [Ignores Enhancements &amp; Buffs] [Non-resistable]

the 0% chance seems a bit odd.


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Hahaha, it's from the invention system


 

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Noxious Gas: (City of Data)

1000 Held to Target for 4 seconds (0% chance) if (target = critter)
(Human and target.HasTag?) [Ignores Enhancements &amp; Buffs] [Non-resistable]

the 0% chance seems a bit odd.

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I wasnt aware that it had hold component in it, although Ive only tried it in pvp during the test server event.


 

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However, I find it by far more difficult to find an equally good team setup including stalkers (at least unless they get unresisted damage in PvE). So, as soon as you have an experienced LRSF-team a stalker won´t hurt you, but stalkers will definitely not be part of my LRSF dream team.

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All the best RSF pulling I've seen has been done by Stalkers, using their patron snipe - I'm guessing being in Hide (and Stealth, if they have that as well) probably helps. Grant Invis might be just as good, but I've yet to be on an RSF team where anyone had Grant Invis, so I've not seen it in action. I've seen people try the TP-the-puller trick, too. A Stalker with snipe is a lot simpler and more self-contained than those options, though.

I've been in a team with two Stalkers, and that was fine, as well. They can do a fair amount of damage to Heroes/AVs, and the high def (particularly on the def-based sets, of course) can survive quite well, as not getting hit can be everything in the RSF - when you're fighting something that can two shot most of your team anyway, a Stalker's low hit points don't matter much.

Combine those facts, and it means you have an AT that can handle both pulling and rushing the heroes.

I think with both Doms and Stalkers yes, you need to make sure you have enough buffs/debuffs/healing to support them, but you could say that about Brutes, too. Uh-oh, I'm suggesting a balanced team now, as well.

It is true that you can make "ideal" setups that are most likely to be able to do the SF with zero hiccups and very quickly, and those setups tend to be Corruptor and Brute heavy, because they can rush the end heroes without issue. I don't think it should matter very much, though - every mission in the game, every SF, has its "ideal" setup, and most people don't play with that in mind - they play with PuGs, or with whatever their friends are levelling. In my mind, the fact that it can be done with a team that's a mixture of ATs is what matters, not that a Brute/Corruptor team with finish it half an hour earlier and with a bit less debt. I still do have my own little dream teams I'd like to try out, but they're not the only ones I'd run it with.


 

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Noxious Gas: (City of Data)

1000 Held to Target for 4 seconds (0% chance) if (target = critter)
(Human and target.HasTag?) [Ignores Enhancements &amp; Buffs] [Non-resistable]

the 0% chance seems a bit odd.

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As explained here it is actually 0.2%.


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Hmm well, its even better than I thought of then.

From my experiences during the test server event,noxious gas has the unenhancable uptime of 1 minute, and with hasten a downtime of about 55 seconds.


 

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Problem is you don't need to pull since they nerfed heroes to lvl 53, and everyone can have defense with Lucks.

Not to mention capped defense isn't that great in melee against 8 53s, you get 2-shotted a lot. It's better to have capped defense and some resistance/high HP.

Stalkers aren't useless, but most of the time having a brute in that spot would be better... better damage output (full fury all the time against AVs, even when the bug will be fixed it'll still be 90%), better defense, better aggro control. It'd be nice to see stalkers get something extra to make them wanted.


 

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I vaguely remember a time when humans communicated in the written word and didn't use little smiling faces to explain every nuance of their speech, and instead we used our comprehension skills and looked at the visual clues to pick up on small things like a gigatonne of sarcasm.

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To free from ambiguity is always better than leaving things open to some assumption.


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its the evelution of the written language soon the smiley will be taught in schools lol


 

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Along with grammar and the ability of spelling words correctly. All which are ignored by the youth of today. So we're actually looking at a emoticon-free future.


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