"Hmm... damn so if I want to do this TF I'll have to solo it, as being grav/thorn I don't seem to have much to offer from that list".
Yep, it looks like you're out of luck, as Grav certainly doesn't have any AoE immob (crushing field), any AoE hold/disorient (Wormhole, GDF), any AoE phase (dimension shift) or any pet (Singularity) that I can think of. 
an 8 dom lrsf team pwns all (couple with medicen pool) level 50 mez protection is nothing to all those doms and damage altho poor aint that bad especcially with all the pets running amoke and confusing the heroes really helps
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A Dominator with Power Boost, Vengeance, and immobilizes is the single most useful member of any LRSF team, and is the first thing I look for when putting a team together.
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Thats quite a tight criteria..
[Broadcast]--->We are looking for a Dominator with Power Boost, Vengeance and immobs pls for our LRSF team...anyone about?
Doms Rawk! Every team should have one! I like everything Lexce has said in this in post and i cant wait for my Doms to get there now. On heroes when i tank an AV, immobs are often the very first thing (after i have taunted), let alone control effect, that i could wish for and its the same if i am taunting one with one of my scrappers or brutes. I am having to actually ask for the immobs of players lately which is not good.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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"Hmm... damn so if I want to do this TF I'll have to solo it, as being grav/thorn I don't seem to have much to offer from that list".
Yep, it looks like you're out of luck, as Grav certainly doesn't have any AoE immob (crushing field), any AoE hold/disorient (Wormhole, GDF), any AoE phase (dimension shift) or any pet (Singularity) that I can think of.
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bah for the moment it's the worst char i ever play : / (currently level 14)
Immobs are all well and good providing someone can ensure taking the aggro. Otherwise its a failry quit splat when an AV turns attention to a dominator (unless heavily debuffed i suppose). And I dont see many brutes with taunt. In fact, Ive seen only one ever. Heck, I saw a level 44 brute with no aura or taunt a few days ago.
I dont think anybody is saying dominators are useless. Its just that when facing an AV they are definately lacklustre compared to corruptors and brutes, and probably stalkers and masterminds too.
And if AVs have mag 50 resistance with triangles up - then 8 dominators all with domination up are going to give a total mag 32 hold. Not enough. I suppose they could stack this with a AoE hold but that doesnt come up for long and even then you will only have held one AV. (AFAIK power boost increases the duration of the hold not the mag). I cant see how an 8 man dominator team could possibly succeed in the RLSF myself, but someone correct me.
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I cant see how an 8 man dominator team could possibly succeed in the RLSF myself, but someone correct me.
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And an all Brute team? and an all Corruptor team?
You seem to have missed the point of the thread - which is that Holds aren't all that Dominators have, the AoE immobs are one thing they can contribute, the Holds are largely irrelevant.
Dominators also do at least as much damage as Corruptors.
I can think of some all-cor teams and all-doms teams that could make it without temps. All-brutes, I don't think so though.
An all-cor teams can easily reach capped defense and resistance, cors have -regen, -res debuffs, AoE heals, +hp, mez protection and enough damage.
An all-dom team has several options. Obviously, you want 2 or more /psy, for their -regen. 2-4 mind/ice/plant with /ice or /nrj, for perma-sleep goodness. Or you could go with something extreme like 8 plant/ice or plant/nrj ; those guys would be able to perma-confuse all 8 AVs while in Domination, and I think 90s is enough to kill one AV at a time when all of them are confused and help you... although it's a bit risky because if Numina doesn't die before she's out of confuse, she might start to CM everyone. You'd have to perma-hold Manticore too (easy with 8 dominators using ST hold in Domination, only takes 2 holds), because his weird Assault/Maneuvers/Tactics power probably has confuse resistance.
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This is not true, research the brawl index of the assault sets vs the assault sets for corrs. You will see that in most cases the non nova powers (we will exclude these for argument sake) for corrs all top the assault sets for doms. The only powers in the doms assault sets that come close are the snipe powers which have insanely long animations. The only non snipe power that beats any corr assault dmg is total focus, which is a melee power.
Add all the buffing and debuffing that corrs can do on top of their dmg potential and it is easy to see who you would rather take with.
@Boerewors
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And I dont see many brutes with taunt. In fact, Ive seen only one ever.
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I dont make tanks, scrappers or brutes without it, i find it immensely useful and why should the rest of the team take any damage? why chance a key member? Why end up having to have a specific defense set for your specific needs to do a specific job against a specific AV because you decided against it? PVP and PVE its good to save a team mate.
Doms Rawk!!
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I dont make tanks or brutes without taunt either, but it seems to be a rare thing.
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I dont know how you calculate this. Even in the super-basic official AT introduction, corruptors are listed as "high" damage, and dominators as "medium".On my dominators, I can only come close to corruptors damage when domination has fired off, and even then its still less. And thats not factoring in scourge or nova's. Add in corruptors ability to buff damage to entire team or to debuff damage resistance and its a pretty clear winner on the corruptor side.
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I can think of some all-cor teams and all-doms teams that could make it without temps. All-brutes, I don't think so though.
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All corruptor teams definately. Id like to see how the regular all dom-team does in the LRSF. I think, personally, they will have a helluva task. THe major problem would be actually doing enough damage. It could be done, but it would be a long slow process methinks - and with little room for error. Id like to see how they would do against statesman unleashing AoE murder. He wont be held all the time, and if not held dominators have absolutely no damage mitigation bar patron power pools and rather feeble hit points.
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Id like to see how they would do against statesman unleashing AoE murder. He wont be held all the time
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Id like to see how they would do against statesman unleashing AoE murder. He wont be held all the time
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acording to posts above aparently not 8 doms cant stack enough Mag even with DOM up.
And its actually been shown in the regular all dom team tht it cant be done in a mayhem mission
yesterday i grouped with a level 50 team that was 4 corruptor a brute a stalker and me.
i now understand why Doms are as easely ignored for LRSF, it's hard to say but we are almost useless at high level.
brute was taunting and tanking, thanks to the heal of the corr
stalker was ASing and critiking like a mad, but not thanks to me and my control, but thanks to the 2 "corrminator" there was in the group.
one was ice/rad/mu, second was a ice/dark/GW.
they controlled all the game, i was only slowing them.
looking at my power i searched what i was doing they couldn't. the answer is "absolutely nothing".
the 2 of them had debuff; heal; AoE hold; PBAoe hold; capacity of phasing mob; raise; self team buff; a pet, and one hold more than me due to their patron pool.
when you look honestly they had all i had, plus possibility to heal and debuff.
it's not like when i'am in a team i hope i will be the only one dom, but when i rolled several dominator it was to play the class that controlled.
corr can control as good if not better than me, and they can increase the survivability of the team and their own, what i can do .
playing 4 dom it's hard to admit that it's an evidence that dominator are useless in a team or need a team with no corrminator
(i beraly can imagine the rampage they could do in recluse victory too T_T)
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And this is what depresses me about my doms, they are useful to about 40 and thats it. After that they become little soloers, no one wants you in a group because they realise you bring nothing to the large group dynamic. It is so easy to test. Get into a large group with your 38+ dom. Do everything you can for 2 big mob fights (large amount of baddies), then step back and for the next 2 do nothing. Now see if you made any impact at all.
Very depressing when you realise that there is nothing you you can do to actually (more than marginally) change the outcome of those fights.
The only time I found my dom useful in a group at that level was in a smaller group of 3-5 people, then the holds and damage mitigation of keeping mobs in check played a role.
@Boerewors
before doms were better friends of the stalkers for the critik they had while hitting a held foe, now you won't be that required as they got that hold.
sniff...
i will reroll a corruptor, i will still be a dominator but in more useful... : (
nooooooo! i refuse to believe that Doms are useless post 40 >.< i love my Doms
Don't worry, lot of "clueless" people like me and the people who send me countless invites didn't get the memo we sucked. So it's all good.
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I can think of some all-cor teams and all-doms teams that could make it without temps. All-brutes, I don't think so though.
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All corruptor teams definately. Id like to see how the regular all dom-team does in the LRSF. I think, personally, they will have a helluva task. THe major problem would be actually doing enough damage. It could be done, but it would be a long slow process methinks - and with little room for error. Id like to see how they would do against statesman unleashing AoE murder. He wont be held all the time, and if not held dominators have absolutely no damage mitigation bar patron power pools and rather feeble hit points.
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I'll give you a hint. It's purple, it starts with "lu", and ends with "ck", you can carry 20 of them, and 4 of them will give you Elude-like defense for 1mn.
Failing that, there's still stacked maneuvers or PB'ed vengeance.
Well id be interested how it works out. I take it you havent tried.
The problem is the time it would actually take to down an AV when you have no -regen (or a fairly small one at best in /mind) and rather mediocre damage. Take all the lucks you want, I think they might be rather dry by the end.
Has anyone had an experience of 8 doms taking down even one +3 Hero? Im genuinely interested. It sounds very tough to me.
theres a few posts about it on the Regular All Dom Team thread about them taking one on in a mayhem mission
Didnt get a feel for it in that thread. I understand you took down Aurora? How was it? what level was she? +1? +2? How long did it take?
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Well id be interested how it works out. I take it you havent tried.
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We've tried it with 3 Dominators, we held easily through Infernal when all of us had Domination on. (Yes he had triangles upwards, we checked)
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The problem is the time it would actually take to down an AV when you have no -regen (or a fairly small one at best in /mind) and rather mediocre damage. Take all the lucks you want, I think they might be rather dry by the end.
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You don't exactly need the best damage when you already have pretty decent damage, and post-38 most Doms have really good attack chains, so for that
Also, the powerset you mentioned is /Psi, and it's Drain Psyche is infact pretty potent -regen and -recovery. I've seen an Ice Tank complaining about a /Psi Dom because of Drain Psyche disrupting his Hibernoobing completely, infact, from the toggles he was actually loosing endurance.
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Has anyone had an experience of 8 doms taking down even one +3 Hero? Im genuinely interested. It sounds very tough to me.
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With proper tactics it shouldn't be a problem. With 3 Doms (me, a Plant/Thorns, a Mind/Psi and a Fire/Fire) we took on a +2 Infernal, as I mentioned earlier, we held through him pretty easily and /Psi's -regen was potent enough that the Fire Imps ripped Infernal to pieces even with the high fire resistance (he is a fire Hero)
One thing you can do at least as a Mind/ Dominator, or a Plant/ Dominator, or an Ice/ Dominator would be sleeping all of the Heroes in one shot with Domination on. Mind does this the best due to having a single sleep power which can affect a boss, so it can affect a Hero too through PToD. Then AoE sleeps can sleep them all with Domination on of course.
Then, what any Dominator can do is to launch the AoE hold when the triangles are down, this gives the team enough time (25 seconds) to do what a team's gotta do, like position themselves if there's a need for that. Anyway, it's good to know that those won't do much anything for a while.
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hum.. mince alors si je veux faire cette TF il faudra que je la solote, car etant grav/thorn j'ai pas l'air d'avoir grand chose a offrir dans cet liste : /
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