Why should you need both to simply access a base??


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A year (nearly ) afterlaunchig CoV we find that CoH chars who who wish to access their SGs base still must purchase CoV.

Yet Statesman wonders why bases arent as popular as he envisioned.

Who does this kind of cyber aparthied serve?

Cyrptic because they sell a few more boxes?

What about players who havent got the room on their comps for anther 1g donload?

Do other games run this kind of aparthied on something like housing or bases?

Cant they see how by weakening these players experience theyre making them feel like second class players?

They`re diminishing the full SG experience (which is crucial to maintaining interest and fun for many people?)

Theyre just making it harder for Sgs to work in a formatted, interesting way.

And commercially can`t they see they`re diminishing the chances of people recommending the game to they`re friends.

What am I saying? Of course they can`t.

Shame though isn`t it?


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well, one, if your playing CoH currently, you have all the data for bases, it's an account thing so for about 17 quid, you can get base access, and extra months subs, and all the extra villain costume pieces and four extra slots for chars.

it doesn't seem that bigger deal to me, but then i know what a disappointment bases are, there is not really a lot you can do with them creatively (though a few people make a damn good fist of it) and everything (yes even the new stuff, which is a rather pathetic offering in my view, seems like to much of a quick fix rather than the overhaul bases need) is massive over priced and the salvage stuff is horrible to try to build as it need salvage and lots of inf, and you have no idea what they look like till you've built it.

i think there are bigger problems than that you have to buy a cheap expansion to get access (though it would be fairer if this applied to both heroes and villains, own one, no bases)


 

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...seems like to much of a quick fix rather than the overhaul bases need...

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I still get a laugh out of their honesty in calling the new control room the Oversight Centre.
"Yes, our only prices catering only to large SGs was an oversight."
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I must be missing something...
Somehow you seem to imply that bases should be given away for free (that is: without having to buy CoV).
But, I have to ask, why is it that you want bases that badly but don´t want to buy CoV in order to get them (along with other nice stuff)?
The additional box does not cost that much, the monthly fee does not change, CoX is one client, so you don´t need 1 GB of additional space...
And btw: Cryptic did not diminish the full SG experience. Nothing was taken away from you. They enriched the full SG experience for those who have both games.




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I must be missing something...
Somehow you seem to imply that bases should be given away for free (that is: without having to buy CoV).
But, I have to ask, why is it that you want bases that badly but don´t want to buy CoV in order to get them (along with other nice stuff)?
The additional box does not cost that much, the monthly fee does not change, CoX is one client, so you don´t need 1 GB of additional space...
And btw: Cryptic did not diminish the full SG experience. Nothing was taken away from you. They enriched the full SG experience for those who have both games.

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You`re missing something.
I have both.
Some members of my SG dont. It may be because they can`t afford it. Whatever the reason is, they suffer in conparisin to those that do have it.
The consequences are
The SG loses out. We cant have SG meets in the base. This, by the way, is one way this policy diminishes the SG experience.
The player loses out. A because they feel "inferior" b because of the few beneficial features of the base that they cant benefit from.
C Cyrptic can lose out because these "have nots" will compare themselves to the haves and quit the game- certainly they wont recommend it on.That`s a generalisation but the point stands.

Again I ask, do other games havea policy like this?

And the SG experience was so insultingly dry before the bases came along, that I wouldn`t really class the bases as an enrichment. more of an "about time" process.

It`s a narrow minded, blinkered policy as far as I`m concerned.


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I have a lot of problems with bases - well the rent really. But Cryptic are a business, trying to make money and pay their employees. This does not make them or policies like this evil, and it seems an insane overreaction to call it such. Have a nice day .

(Yes, I view apartheid as evil, so my paraphrasing is in my view justified.)


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right ok ncsoft come out tomorrow and anounce that they are gona unlock sg bases to everybody nomatter what version of the game you have what compansation do those that got cov for that added extra get as compensation coz instead of complaning about having to pay for an expansion like a hell of alot of mmo's actuly do we just went and payed the cash for the extras,..


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This does not make them or policies like this evil, and it seems an insane overreaction to call it such. Have a nice day .

(Yes, I view apartheid as evil, so my paraphrasing is in my view justified.)

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Er- ok maybe aparthied was too strong a word.
I was referring, of course with the uneven distinction. The allowed and the not allowed as it were.

Does this mean I can never say genicide or holocaust in a gaming context?

Not that an occasion to do so springs to mind.


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I really don't see where the problem is. If you take even a brief look round the MMO market you'll see that no one else offers the amount of free content CoH does. Take a look at Final Fantasy where you have to pay extra for having more than 1 character, or WoW and other games where every update is released as a boxed set you have to pay for again.

CoV was a completely stand alone game where you also got access to some neat features on CoH if you had both, those features were in my view to reward those showing loyally and supporting CoV. The subscription for the extra game didn't cost you a penny if you already owned CoH and you got shed loads more content by buying CoV.

I actually find it pretty surprising and a little ungrateful that some people seem to begrudge paying the £15 or so that CoV(and you can pick it up a LOT cheaper than that) costs to get all that extra content then complain because they haven't been given it for free several months later.

So, with me having paid the cost of the box set(and been very happy to do so as I thought CoV was a bargain with the subs staying the same), how the hell do you think i'm going to feel when they suddenly start giving players who've NOT paid for the boxset the same stuff for free?

If people are that bothered about bases they can go out and buy the CoV box like the rest of us, not expect to be given it for free.


 

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The post title is incorrect, you don't need both games, you only need CoV.


 

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The post title is incorrect, you don't need both games, you only need CoV.

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Doesn`t that make my point even more valid?


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The post title is incorrect, you don't need both games, you only need CoV.

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Doesn`t that make my point even more valid?

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No.

Simply because::

Issue 6 brought us- City of Villians.
Issue 6 brought us- Bases.
Issue 6 brought us- PvP Zones for both, "factions".

Issue 6 brought us- the ability to add CoV to CoH to "share" those things across.

Sorry to say , but, Issue 6 IS City of Villians, the fact we have stuff in CoH with it is an incentive to try and make sure it doesn't get left behind, as CoV starts up.

Issue 7 and 8+ are to Balance the Content, between the two.


 

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Bases are pointless, there is no need to have them once you get travel powers. So by not having access to them you are not missing anything.


((Though Freedom Flights micro-base is looking quite sexy, would look better if plot upgrades were not so pricey ))


 

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Sorry to say , but, Issue 6 IS City of Villians, the fact we have stuff in CoH with it is an incentive to try and make sure it doesn't get left behind, as CoV starts up.

Issue 7 and 8+ are to Balance the Content, between the two.

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Issue 6 and 7 were CoV, with a small amount of content given to the heroes. 6 being the bulk and 7 the high end content and Mayhem missions. Really looking forward to Issue 8 though.

I see Bases (and all the costume slots etc) as an incentive for CoH players to get CoV. £15 for a whole different way of looking at things plus the room for more alts is worth it. When they add the PvE content for bases and do what else they have planned (fix the bugs) bases should pick up and Statesman will want everyone to be happy (Give the players what they want).


 

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or WoW and other games where every update is released as a boxed set you have to pay for again.

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Get your facts straight, WoW has had plenty of updates (a few very large ones with lots of content too) but no payed expansion yet, CoX isn't alone in this.

That said I have to agree, you buy CoH to play hero and CoV to play villain, SG functionality (including bases) should be independant of that. Making it so a hero has to buy a another game to enter his/her SG's base seems ridiculous.

Not that I'm missing out, I wanted to play on both sides of the law so I have both CoH and CoV.


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or WoW and other games where every update is released as a boxed set you have to pay for again.

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Get your facts straight, WoW has had plenty of updates (a few very large ones with lots of content too) but no payed expansion yet, CoX isn't alone in this.


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Imo they should release a new boxed expansion of COH anyway, simply because the coh package is horribly outdated and requires a day's download of patches to get up-to-date and running. If you buy COV at the same time you get much less downloading to do.


 

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Imo they should release a new boxed expansion of COH anyway, simply because the coh package is horribly outdated and requires a day's download of patches to get up-to-date and running. If you buy COV at the same time you get much less downloading to do.

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Oh yes!
Im suprised they have not run intolegal trouble with regards to the out of date spec requirements on the boxes, and people do like to play the game on the same day they buy it...

My local branch of Game(I think its game..the purple one) even took it off their shelves as they felt it was misleading to their customers.


 

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My local branch of Game(I think its game..the purple one) even took it off their shelves as they felt it was misleading to their customers.

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That might explain why I cna never find it in Game where I am now, unless I look VERY hard.


 

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Get your facts straight, WoW has had plenty of updates (a few very large ones with lots of content too) but no payed expansion yet, CoX isn't alone in this.

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Burning Crusade is out in a few weeks and they're already dropping teasers about the next boxed set to come out.

As for updates so far, there hasn't been 'loads' of new WoW content. They've added a few things to the original release which are a lot less than has been added to the CoX games(despite a much smaller subscription).

Most of the patches for WoW have contained mainly class balancing or power adjustments, quest amendments, etc. I really can't think of any substantial content that's been added or major advancements in the basic format.

Burning Crusade is the only thing I would consider on a par with a CoH Issue and you have to pay for it which is exactly what I said.


 

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Burning Crusade is out in a few weeks

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I would guess a couple months, and I seriously doubt that all content updates from that point will be payed expansions.

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As for updates so far, there hasn't been 'loads' of new WoW content. They've added a few things to the original release which are a lot less than has been added to the CoX games(despite a much smaller subscription).

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I never said "loads" but a lot of content has been added since release and all these updates has been free. I certainly consider things like Blackwing Lair, Zul'Gurub, Ahn'Quirac, Dire Maul and battlegrounds (to give a few examples) as content and even very unique content (ie. it feels different from what we have.. or it's "something new").

What we get in CoX isssues maybe some extra zones but not really that unique and all the missions are pretty generic (every cave/office/base mostly look the same). For me thats not "real" new content, it's just more of the same and granted that WoW also brings more of the same but they also have brought a lot of unique content aswell.

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Most of the patches for WoW have contained mainly class balancing or power adjustments, quest amendments, etc. I really can't think of any substantial content that's been added or major advancements in the basic format.

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See above.

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Burning Crusade is the only thing I would consider on a par with a CoH Issue

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Well I would consider the release of CoV on par with Burning Crusade and the Issues on par with WoW's content patches based on the feeling of "getting something new" vs. the feeling of getting "more of the same".

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and you have to pay for it which is exactly what I said.

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Nah, the text I quoted in my reply earlier implied that every content patch in WoW that has been released so far has been a payed expansion, probably not what you meant but that's what the text you wrote implied. What you just said now is a lot more clear.

But this little discussion regarding WoW patches vs. CoX issues doesn't change the fact that it's somewhat redicilous to require a hero to buy CoV to enter his/her SG's base which is the real topic for this thread.


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Bases are pointless, there is no need to have them once you get travel powers. So by not having access to them you are not missing anything.



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Sure you're not particulary missing a great deal, but I think pointless might be a bit far fetched.

Travel around via base teleport is far more convenient. Even with travel powers, getting sent from Founders to Atlas and back raises a sigh from most heroes. Thank the higher powers for the recent extra beacons .

Base storage items are a great feature, and when actively used build into a really good supergroup resource. It's great to be able to offer members and few of their first SOs free when they hit 22 .

And the insp' selling devices are really convenient when you're on a taskforce and stuck for a quick place to get them.

Perhaps it is nearly time bases were offered to pure COH players though. I would have no problem with it personally. I bought CoV on day one and used it more for the hero base aspect, fully aware that it'd all most likey be made more widely available for less cost down the line.

I like the bases, and the hints of more base content in the future looks great .