Defenders have been around longer so everyone knows what they can do. Corruptors are fairly new, but I don't think it would be too dissimilar. They can still debuff/buff. Do you play in a team alot or solo?
Try fighting a Sonic/Dark corruptor, it hurts...
Well only proving heroes wrong can change the attitudes. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
My personal opinion is that corrupters can be great, but they play differently than blasters in PvP. In attack Corr is a sort of mix between blaster and troller (a debuffing troller) that debuffs opponent and kite them quickly to death. Very strong, as long as the odds are about even. In a duel a corr can be very strong I think.
Corrs play style is not best suited for fighting against odds (as how it often turns out for villains in zones currently) which will make them look less effective than blasters for instance. Seeing myself outnumbered with my blaster I have couple of times popped a ton of defense insps and jumped the enemies killing several before succumbing myself. This is only because of blasters burst damage, that corrs lack more or less. Blasters can act as silver bullets in face of overwhelming odds, evening the situation. On villain side that task falls on stalkers instead of corrs.
Well, what Im saying is that Corrs can be very strong and intimidating when played correctly, but they wont ever be as 'flashy' as blasters who can kill enemies with WHAM-BAM-NEXT! Attack chains [img]/uk/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Should there be a duel between well-built pvp Corr and blaster, imo Corrupter is the favorite (not taking player skills into account). Now im just waiting to see the first great duelist corr [img]/uk/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
Well... my PVP corr is just lvl 10 atm [img]/uk/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
PS. Its kinda funny how people dont realize that stalkers are the villain equivalent of blasters(burst damage) so in a big fight, those "assassin strikes" dont mean stalkers snatching kills in midst of all confusion, they are the kills as they should happen in a team battle.. Similarly as you see blasters getting the kills in a hero team..
Corrs are fine, people need to stop playing them as Blasters.
Corrs can't make PvP difficult for the other side? When my EM/EA Stalker has Speed Boost, Increase Density, Inertial Reduction, both Thermal shields, Forge and both Ice shields, I was virtually impossible to take down and could one shot a squishy (pre-patch).
Corrupters are VERY efficient. They can even get/steal some kills when another AT gets someone to low health. Scourge is nasty.
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i simply do not fear corrupters to me they are simple an easy kill yet if you compare this attitude to say a defender the same isnt true. I will kill a defender because that defender has the potential to make my pvp experience very difficult
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Most defenders are still "easy kills" - you're taking them out because they have powers that can make the opposition tougher/you weaker - which are exactly the same powers (apart from storm [img]/uk/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]) that corruptors have.
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I'll be the guy to say his Corruptor rocks, but i think it very much depends on the sets that the Corruptor chooses and for what purpose he chose them for, soloing or team PvPing. My own build is a solo Ice/Dark, and i must say i have little difficulty with most Hero AT's in Sirens (which is my main hunting ground [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]). Of course that then depends entirely on their build, i had no trouble with a lev 50 Spines/DA the other day, but then could not take down a DM/DA.
If you'd like to see a powerful Corruptor i'd advocate a /Dark or a /Cold, maybe ask someone to give you a demonstration, there's bound to be someone somewhere, i'm about on Defiant if you fancy a gander.
As for great dueling Corruptors or just great Corruptors in general, Gan on his Ice/Rad Dearch got a high rep in Sirens pretty much solo - still outclasses me [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Though i imagine he's a bit rusty! *Taunts* And there's an Ice/Ice called Kandy Kane who's rather handy, that's Serophina's Corruptor ^_^ There was one night a week or so ago whereby it was myself, Dearch, Kandy Kane and a /Kin called Gaspar in Sirens in one team as the only villains in the zone, and we were winning with relative ease against what must have been around 10 heroes. It was a sight to behold, and really might've totally changed your opinion on Corruptors, because they can be crazy strong.
Nobody neuters Regen Scrappers more than some Corrupters.
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Nobody neuters Regen Scrappers more than some Corrupters.
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And a smattering of MMs.
@Synaesthetix
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Ice/Kin/Mace ftw!
HUMMM i think most replies have got me wrong lol, Corrupters can be good yeah i have seen them played them but at the end of the day if i see a corrupter in Sirens i dont think "i must take that corrupter out as if i dont it will make life difficult, instead my first thought is i will take that corrupter out because its an easy kill"
This thought dosent apply to defenders i take a defender out because he will always make my pvp life difficult. That to me is where corrupters are failing i shouldnt be thinking that corrupters are easy kills i should be thinking the same as i do about defenders but i dont and the reason i dont is based on experience in pvp zones.
I know also im not the only one to think that way and TBH i bet a lot of posters on here think the sameway too BUT WHY if all the different alts are so balanced why is it i only think this way about corrupters.
The answer to your question is - no one thinks like you do.
Do you want people to divine why you think like you do? Light Petting has already pointed out power sets are shared by Defenders and Corruptors, if anything Corruptors are more lethal since they have more aggressive debuff powers. There are many more Defender players who are experienced in PvP than there are Corruptor players with the same experience - that is pretty much your answer. Corruptors are very good in PvP if played well, same as any AT.
If I'm playing as a hero the last on my list as a threat is a Stalker, not because they aren't potentially a good AT but because there are hordes of rubbish Stalker players. Corruptors are as good as anything else.
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Thats how i feel about them, and from my experience in the higher level PvP zones, thats exactly how it is. One good corrupter single-handedly can and do change the outcome of the battle, the same cant be said for any of the other villain class's except maybe MasterMinds with Bodyguard on.
At the end of the day it all comes down to skill. Corrupter's can be easy kill's if they dont have a clue on how to play and/or are playing them like blasters. But get stuck in a fight with an experienced and skilled corrupter and you'll be eating your words.
@SinghMC
That's it. My Corruptor vs joo!
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"i must take that corrupter out as if i dont it will make life difficult, instead my first thought is i will take that corrupter out because its an easy kill"
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SS - you move slow
Web envelope - move even slower, no youre not flying, youre not recharging fast
web cocoon - if youre still moving, it gets worse here, and no youre not jumping anymore, and recharge even slower
ice storm - should you still move, it gets very close to standing still now. youre not going to recharge for minutes now
... hows that not making life hard? i didnt even mention ice blasts stacking slows/-recharges [img]/de/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Yeah corruptors kinda lack most things in pvp not debuff and damage but they not concentrated on one thing more like a defender. If u ever fiting darksiren u wont say corruptors are weak she perma fears u,debuffs u,tar patches u,then amplfiy and starts battering u and then once u out like most ppl u get tped back into the dreaded pit get debuffed attacked and darksiren has a habit of spamming the rez, Stuns all da squishies [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
well just my thoughts.
I think almost any AT can be good in a level 30 zone, but the arena and RV sort the men from the boys. Well, maybe not so much RV with all them daft heavies...
@Sweet Chilli
Corrupters are deadly in pvp, as a hero I am more concerned about them than my villains are concerned about blasters.
They can throw out a good bit of damage, and usualy hit you withsomething that reduces your combat effectiveness.
And if the fight is dragging on, you just know that the letters of doom "scourge" are gonna start popping up.
My villains are not overy worried about defenders oddly, I know they're nasty but its usually only if they out lvl me or have support that makes me retreat.
With my heroes though Ive lost count of the number of times some corrupter has nailed me with an Ice/terror combo or sonic/terror.
Like most say here..the problem is that people see them as blasters. corruptors are just very strong...Just that some of the sets which run around now a lot are very strong to counter them (ice blasters...spine scrappers..fire/kins)..and indeed...ice/kin is strong..and sonic/dark..but that are only the 2 ''more known'' combo's...you ever fought an ice/rad in sirens or a ice/cold fire/thermal in warburg..They can floor any non squishi if they play it right...one of the best warburg pvp'ers I know is a thermal cause if you don't kill him in 2 shots you can say goodbye to your damage and endurance..just use your brains a bit right and you got 1 of the better pvp AT's
OK to prove my point, last night i was playing my corrupter in siren and somebody took there PB in to try him out, we had 2 fights both i won, at this the PB declared that PB are rubbish at PVP. Now i can only conclude from that statement that the PB felt that his alt was rubbish because a corrupter had killed him and he couldnt kill a corrupter, basically the bench mark for an easy kill is a corrupter no matter how many times that said corrupter debuffs/buffs.And not matter how good and how skilled that corrupter is.
Unless its more personal than that, in that infact im just so terrible at pvp its me thats the lowest bench mark
I honestly think you're reading far too much into this person's comments. People often say "X AT is rubbish in PvP!" when they die, regardless of who - and what AT - they're fighting. That, and it's something you'll quite commonly here about Peacebringers and Warshades.
Edit: Just as an example, to show how little that sort of comment means:
I was watching my boyfriend fighting, on his Scrapper, in Warburg. He ran across a Storm Defender (Storm/Elec I think?) who started trying to fight him. He ended up killing the guy, who immediately started whining about how Storm Defenders are useless in PvP.
Now, using your reasoning, he would have been saying "Look, Stormies are useless in PvP because I can't even kill a SCRAPPER, and they suck." He wasn't, it was just the usual sort of complaining that you hear from people when they lose.
Corruptors are one of the best villian AT's for pvp.
Good damage combined with buffs/debuffs to make more effective use of that damage. Decent survivability through debuffs/self heals, and good team buffs to make other villians more effective (teamed with a sonic and thermal, my dom can almost tank).
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he ran into a defender in warburg(other than you)? I almost believed you up until that point [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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OK to prove my point, last night i was playing my corrupter in siren and somebody took there PB in to try him out, we had 2 fights both i won, at this the PB declared that PB are rubbish at PVP. Now i can only conclude from that statement that the PB felt that his alt was rubbish because a corrupter had killed him and he couldnt kill a corrupter, basically the bench mark for an easy kill is a corrupter no matter how many times that said corrupter debuffs/buffs.And not matter how good and how skilled that corrupter is.
Unless its more personal than that, in that infact im just so terrible at pvp its me thats the lowest bench mark
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Yes, that was my PB. The reason i said that statement wasn't because i regard corrupter's as easy kills. I said it because any hero/villain AT thats in Sirens without fully-slotted SO's is in for a rough ride. Add to the fact i was in Nova form (no mes resist) against a curropter (should of fled, but you know how it is [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) made things even worse.
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@SinghMC
OK i will eat the words that i have written after a marathon of pvp yesterday only to stop for the hami raid, i found myself teamed in some fantastic villian teams most of which where corrupters. Spine regen scappers were falling like flies even after insp popping lol.
My flat mate teamed on the hero side and out of interest i asked what the tactics of the heroes were and why i was being singled out if at all, it did turn out it wasnt the fact i was an easy kill but because on 1 of my powers one i think nothing of but one the heros felt was annoying, my dispersion field.
Some of the posters are right i do read too much into things but sometimes its difficult not to when you cant see the answer to your problem, but thank you for your replies [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I feel corrupters get a rough ride in pvp zones, this isnt because of lack of damage or buff/debuff protential, or the lack of heal points if compared to other sets, but attitude.
My point being as a hero or in fact another villian i simply do not fear corrupters to me they are simple an easy kill yet if you compare this attitude to say a defender the same isnt true. I will kill a defender because that defender has the potential to make my pvp experience very difficult even tho it will do hardly any damage to me directly, this can not be said of a corrupter no matter how much he corrupts me he is still just an easy kill.
This may sound like a bold statement to make but it comes after playing a corrupter to the high lvl 40s and pvping a lot, i know im gonna get a load of posts saying their corrupter rocks but it still doesnt change the attitude i myself have and many others seem to have about them, they just dont seem to hold say the respect a defender or a blaster gets in pvp zones.