SinghMC

I'll come & see which side needs a helping hand. Should be good!

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Probably wrong here but I seem to remember the original announcement of PvP changes said that the changes were for arena only and not for zonal PvP. Will there then be another major PvP change when Zonal PvP is looked at?

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These changes are for everything PvP related.

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PvP has always been horribly broken... how much worse can it be?

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Thats exactly what i would think, before actually experiencing them. You have no idea.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again; the problem with PvP in CoX (at least prior to I13's changes) is that if you're new to PvP, haven't spent a large fortune on enhancements and/or have the wrong build, powersets or AT then it's just not fun.

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While thats true to an extent, as was said above me, IO's actually make more builds viable. Anyway..

Shazan, most if not all of the PvPers i know including myself have tried and tested these changes. If it comes off that we are moaning (or elitist), its only because we got kicked in the proverbial nuts after seeing these changes to part of the game we have enjoyed since Issue 4 (5 for me).

These types of threads pop every few months or so and the advice from PvP regulars is always the same: Just ask. In my experience, anyone who's ever asked on how to defeat a certain powerset combination or how can i improve my survival chances has always gotton the answer truthfully from the regulars in various Zones. What we dont like is, if a newcomer (or PvE Vet) comes and gets killed then starts [censored] and swearing towards the PvPers. Thats just painting a target on your head, and you wont be recieving any help, from either side.

If anyone wants to be good at PvP, they dont need to spend an Inf. We would happily share our wealth of knowledge of (current) PvP.

Also final comments to whoever thinks there wont be no overpowering sets after these changes go through... after 5 mins testing the changes i knew what to make in Issue 13 that would make current generation Fire/EM's look weak, so did many others.

Is Black Scorpion still the prefered patron for his Web Envelope?

From what i can understand is, PvP is going to be much slower once Issue 13 hits so i wonder if the Web Envelope is still needed.

I'm wondering if i should just go with Ghost Widow and get Gloom, which will surpress my target anyway and actually do a respectable amount of damage to boot.

Decisions, Decisions.

PS. About to hit 40 so need an answer soon!

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At least that's a whole group of people.

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i gunna quote dis too cuz i wanna hang out wiv teh c00l kids, yo

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Plus, Drain Psyche is just full of win with its -500% Recovery & -500% Regen which lasts 30 seconds. Can easily be made perma.

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You'd only need 235% +rchg from set bonuses if you had Hasten and had slotted DP to have 95% recharge to make it perma!

In other words you'd need to be at the +recharge cap to achieve this, which isn't possible unless you're packing multiple kins in your back pocket.

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Fo' real? Nah i knew afterwards but i was too lazy to edit it.

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Hmm no ma/regen on scrappers? shame on you

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Hey, i wasn't trying to get every PvP build!

On Psy, admitedly i haven't tried Drain Psyche but just looking at it, this would stop & then some Hibernate's End Recovery. Worth a few "lol" moments me thinks when the Tank aint recovering squat in Hibernate.

The cliff-notes version from the thread in the PvP Section: Defiant won.

To be fair though, neither side had all their experienced PvP'ers on show so i expect another Server V. Server bash a couple months down the road. Great fun none-the-less.

Plus, Drain Psyche is just full of win with its -500% Recovery & -500% Regen which lasts 30 seconds. Can easily be made perma.

First off, welcome!

Since you're new to the game, i'd first advise you to play any character that you want to PvP with extensively in PvE. This way you'll gain valuable experience on your build and which powers are needed in different situations. These are the more damage-centric ones:

[u]Heroes

Scrappers[u]
Spines/Regen
Spines/SuperReflexes
Broadsword/Regen
Broadsword/SuperReflexes

[u]Blasters[u]
Fire/Energy
Ice/Energy
Sonic/Energy
Fire/Elec
Ice/Elec

[u]Controllers[u]
Ice/Radation
Ice/Storm
Fire/Storm
Fire/TrickArrow

[u]Defenders[u]
Radiation/Psychic
Radiation/Sonic
Storm/Psychic
Storm/Sonic

[u]Tankers[u]
Ice/Energy
Fire/Energy
Fire/SuperStrength

[u]Villains

Stalkers[u]
Energy/Regen
Energy/Ninjitsu
Energy/SuperReflexes
Energy/Willpower
Spines/Regen
Spines/Ninjitsu
Spines/SuperReflexes
Dark/Ninjitsu
Dark/SuperRefelexes

[u]Brutes[u]
Energy/Electric
Energy/Fire
Energy/Willpower
SuperStrength/Electric
Stone/Electric
Dark/Electric

[u]Corruptors[u]
Ice/Cold
Fire/Cold
Dark/Cold
Ice/Rad
Fire/Rad
Sonic/Rad
Ice/Thermal
Fire/Thermal
Sonic/Thermal
Ice/Kin

[u]Dominators[u]

Mind/Fire
Mind/Ice
Mind/Psychic
Fire/Psychic
Ice/Ice
Ice/Psychic

[u]Masterminds[u]
Necromancy/Poison
Necromancy/Dark
Ninjas/Poison
Ninjas/Dark
Thugs/Poison
Thugs/Dark

Thats just from a quick look over the various Archtypes in Mids. This isn't even taking into account PvP Support characters, so there's quite a few .

Have fun!

I think the Brute Fury bug lasted for about 4 to 5 days. The Blaster bug has already lasted much, much longer (not to be confused by when it was first realised, which was only a few days ago).

So, about time to cry Hero Vs. Villain inequality yet?

There is a place for the all rounder and thats the Zones. Dont listen to the "facts" that get chucked around the Zones; most are just too accustomed to the way they play and anything out of the ordinary is immediatly subpar.

Superspeed/+Superjump is as you know, the prefered Travel Powers of choice, but thats only because they get you from Point A to B the quickest, without much hassle. In Zones especially, Fly can be used to great effect. I say that because my main PvP character had it as his Travel Power, though he did have Superspeed to fall back upon.

I wouldn't sacrifice anything in the build since there sadly isn't any point unless you want to go the full nine yards. As you've said, some combos of powersets are infinitely more sought-after than others, but i can see your blaster getting in "kills" so i would be happy.

Also, Arena is open to everyone, even with those with a PvE build. There's always a few players around who would happily share there knowledge and answer any questions you might have, or just post it in this forum.

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So we're not allowed to ask for fights anymore?

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Incase you forgot, Defiant took you up on your offer (or Globeys, don't remember). We're just seeing who would be available to field for us & with time for some practice.

See thats my point right there. Vindicate seems to be replying to things that haven't even been said (like we at some point saying Vindicate should keep their yap shut, when we haven't). Ugh, what a waste of time.

I hate quoting so i'm just going to try & reply point by point to anything i feel needs a reply.

Before i continue; i am not speaking on behalf of Defiant below since some things i might interpret differently to others.

Ok first off, preperation. Why even comment on this? I said, "we came more prepared [than Union] into the fight". No where does it say that we were taking it seriously or had some hidden agenda on the night. We came for a bit of fun, so did you. Only the numbers from your side were a bit dissappointing, but thats it. I never called you out on it, merely nudged you for future events to field more people.

Secondly, organisation. PvP is PvP is PvP. Just because there wasn't a carrot at the end of the stick doesn't mean you shouldn't come. All that adds is incentive. At the end of the day, we all want to PvP. So when some semi-casual (since it was dubbed Defiant Vs. Union) PvP is planned, its just in your best interest to show up, even on your none PvPspecced toons.

Final point. You said it yourself, it was just a bit of fun. Why we are even having this discussion is beyond me. If it was just a bit of fun, why call Defiant out on its preperation or the way the whole tournement was organised? You see on one hand, some PvP was organised, both sides had a fun time. It should end there. But on the other hand, a select few are trying to make this er.. i guess loss, seem very insignificant just because they weren't there. This wasn't meant to be S4, but just some friendly battles.

In closing, i'll apologise right now if i mistook Vindicate's confidance as arrogance or elitism but since the way most have replied talking down on/about Defiant's PvPers, i dont think i'm wrong in my first initial impression.

I think all this squabbling started off from someone naming Defiant as the new PvP Server or somesuch and now Vindicate took it a bit too personally.

First off, although we (Defiant) obviously came more prepared into the fight, we never once thought about trying to take the title of "The PvP Server" off of Unions hands. At the end of the day, its just a title, you want it so bad? Keep it. We didn't want it in the first place.

We came for some PvP action on the Test Server against Union's PvP'ers (any, not just from 1 SG) since originally Raz posted about this over 3 weeks ago. If that wasn't ample time to get the Test Server installed or whatever, i cant see any future PvP tournements having any success. Well i say that but, Defiant showed so the ball is in your court.

Do you want PvP to be successful on the EU Servers? Do you want new players & old alike to give PvP a try? Its up to you to enforce that atleast on Union but from all these replies your doing the exact opposite.

Anyway it was a fun night, hoping for more in the future.

Oh my

Welcome back, we missed you around here!

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So much for "The PvP Server".

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Would you like a 5v5 with Union?

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I hear rattling. I hear cages. I think my little dig has worked perfectly.

I'm currently seeing who would be interested in this, will get back to you when i have an answer.

Yeah Mothers Love, it was a dig to get more people to come .

It was a sweet turnout. Hopefully more & more people can come for future events on the Test Server since we dont want to exclude people from PvP, now do we?

Union especially!

Great evening guys, was much fun.

The first match Defiant won with a score of 47 - 7.
Second match was a bit better from Union; Defiant only getting 44 kills this time. Final match Defiant won again with 36 kills.

So much for "The PvP Server".

Toon :- Solid Singh

AT :- Mind/FF Troller

Representing :- Defiant

So no Unionites signed up yet? I cant seem to recall which server was touted as "The PvP Server".

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doh im afraid i forgot about it all >.>

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Me too sadly. Though since Raz didn't turn up, i guess its ok.

1:/ Would you object to a entrance fee? that you would later have chance to win at the end along with others entrance fee? A way of guarantying that people that register will show up?

I wouldn't object so long as everyone had a chance of winning it.

2:/What time and nights are you on most?

Most nights after 6pm, more at weekends.

3:/Would you mind the event going on for a few weeks?

No

4:/Union or Test?

Prefer Test for more turnout, tho' say if the winner is on Defiant, getting the prize money to them will need to be organised beforehand.

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Sorry to sound boring and all but cant you just stand back and heal the tank while its held ?

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Using logic like that will get you banned, just.. just dont.

Repin' Defiant on my Troller (Mind/FF), should be sweet

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Ghost Widow's Hold is meant to be completely irresistible by design.

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Wow, i soo never saw that coming.