Empath's, unappreciated?


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An old dictionary?


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Ok, for you I just checked my good friend, "Webster's encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language" special edition 1996:

Poppycock: nonsense; bosh. [?< D pappekak (pap soft + kak dung) ]


 

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An old dictionary?


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Ok, for you I just checked my good friend, "Webster's encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language" special edition 1996:

Poppycock: nonsense; bosh. [?< D pappekak (pap soft + kak dung) ]



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1996?

that's soo last century


 

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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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Balderdash.


 

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An old dictionary?


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Ok, for you I just checked my good friend, "Webster's encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language" special edition 1996:

Poppycock: nonsense; bosh. [?< D pappekak (pap soft + kak dung) ]



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Cool - I never knew the origin. So it's an old version of verbal diahorrea then?


 

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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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Balderdash.

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Man I loved that game. Digging for diaminds. Dropping boulders on butterflys. Getting eaten by amobae... sigh


 

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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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Balderdash.

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Man I loved that game. Digging for diaminds. Dropping boulders on butterflys. Getting eaten by amobae... sigh

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That was Boulderdash, surely?
I feel old.


 

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Awesome game! I played it waaaay too much

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Empath's, unappreciated?

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Stop whining and heal me!
(didn't real the thread :P)


IN MEMORIUM OF GAYBABY
CRUELY TAKEN FROM THIS WORLD WHILE SO YOUNG

 

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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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Balderdash.

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Man I loved that game. Digging for diaminds. Dropping boulders on butterflys. Getting eaten by amobae... sigh

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That was Boulderdash, surely?
I feel old.

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Indeed, but I couldn't think of anything relevant so I did my usual thing of throwing out an obscure tangent to cover my retreat *legs it*

Just to be on-topic: Really I'd prefer a D3 or Kinetics defender with me, but only because I think they're way cooler to play than a healbot.

(sticks about on to see if Irradiators comment + this one cause a mass empath protest)


 

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Stop whining and heal me!
(didn't real the thread :P)

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Fine, no speed boost for you!

Also, you can stand waaaaaayyyyy back so you don't get a fulcrum shift either



 

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I try not to get involved in these conversations, cos i always get annoyed. i guess i'm just a sucker for punishment and i haven't bothered reading all 9 pages of this thread.

Since the implemation of ED, the empathy power set got hit very hard. I personally don't think it was particularly overly-powered etc so empathy took it bad. 6-slotting RA/Regen with recharge so its almost perma cannot be done anymore, and since perma-hasten has gone, heals must have more recharges on them to be useable in a fight. I used to have perma-hasten with 5 heals and one recharge on Heal Other and Healing Aura pre ED, doing over 720 with HO every 4 seconds or so, and 530+ with HA every 6 or 7 seconds. now? nope, nothing like it. It takes a lot more to be a good empath now, and as all defender primaries have a heal except bubbles (if i'm not mistaken?), people will look for other defender primaries rather than empathy. I have a level 46 scrapper now, and i have to say i still love to team with an empath who knows what hes doing. the combination of AB and /regen is fantastic! I generally don't team with defenders, though. not through choice, it just seems there are so few about when i'm looking for teams. A lot of players feel safer with enemies who can't hit/hurt them rather than leave their health in the hands of an empath. a competant empath can keep a team alive with ease, but there aren't many about anymore. a lot of empaths i've teamed with don't know how to use the empathy powerset. i've met many without Clear Mind, or fortitude, in the high 20s-30s. stupid? yup, but there you go. I love the empathy powerset, and i love to meet defenders/trollers who have it and have it slotted well. Personally? I reckon that since ED has been introduced it might be worth the devs revising the recharge times of empathy, or increasing the power of heals/buffs. Speed Boost is similar in some respects to Adrenaline Boost, but has a recharge time of seconds, not minutes, so can be given to the whole team rather than just one person. Empathy has taken a sever fall from grace since I6 and ED has come along. As a child of I4, i can see how much my powers suck now. Empathy is a shadow of its former self, and theres very little about it that makes teams want an empath over a kinetics or radiation defender, if anything.


@Willow R

Main Hero:
Willow R (Emp/Rad Defender, lvl 50)
Matakoshi (kat/regen Scrapper, lvl 50)

 

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, and theres very little about it that makes teams want an empath over a kinetics or radiation defender, if anything.

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Surely teams shouldnt want any particular type of defender over another?

Given that levels 1-20 are characterised by teams screaming for empaths, and its not unheard of for non-empaths to get kicked, I hardly think its fair that empaths should be the preferred set at high levels. If anything, a slight reversal of fortunes seems equitable?. Not that I want this, I would just like all defender sets to be valued at all levels.


 

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A lot of players feel safer with enemies who can't hit/hurt them rather than leave their health in the hands of an empath.

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I think that's the main point here. We all know that defenders are all about damage mitigation, that's their team function, whether it be via buffing, debuffing or healing.

The problem is, apart from the lower levels (simply due to a lack of powers), healing is the weakest (maybe that should be most dangerous...) form of mitigation with the game as it is now. Buffs and debuffs make it so that your health rarely gets to the point where it needs to be healed, which generally makes them much safer. With healing, that damage has to have already been done and if the healer isn't on the ball, it's easy to get overwhelmed.


 

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A lot of players feel safer with enemies who can't hit/hurt them rather than leave their health in the hands of an empath.

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With healing, that damage has to have already been done and if the healer isn't on the ball, it's easy to get overwhelmed.

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Also needs other members of the team to remember that healers can't heal through walls and around corners and can't be in more than one place at a time. Doing damage is a team effort, so is staying alive

I'm always pelased to see any defender or controller on a team, makes things so much easier and safer (and more fun) for everybody.


 

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[A lot of players feel safer with enemies who can't hit/hurt them rather than leave their health in the hands of an empath.

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Making me very tempted to roll another Empath. Feel the love of the Empath again. Playing mine from 1-50 was the best time I had in the game. And still love healing now.

Hmmm...very tempted indeed...

*Aerie Angel is born*


 

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Also needs other members of the team to remember that healers can't heal through walls and around corners and can't be in more than one place at a time. Doing damage is a team effort, so is staying alive


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Tell me about it

I'm sick and tired of telling people not to run away when an enemy so much as looks at them funny. Trying to actually get them to run closer to an enemy (I'm a kinetics defender) is simply futile

I can't count the number of times an energy blaster has cried at me for not healing him, even after I explain about how his really pretty knockback powers are knocking enemies out of healing range...


 

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I can't count the number of times an energy blaster has cried at me for not healing him, even after I explain about how his really pretty knockback powers are knocking enemies out of healing range...

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I'm an energy kineticist I use my pretty knockback powers to send someone after the blaster on their [censored] so I can use them as a target. And I try to get controllers to keep someone held near them as a pinata.

And I love Empaths! They heal the parts transfusion can't reach.


 

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Also needs other members of the team to remember that healers can't heal through walls and around corners and can't be in more than one place at a time. Doing damage is a team effort, so is staying alive


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Tell me about it

I'm sick and tired of telling people not to run away when an enemy so much as looks at them funny. Trying to actually get them to run closer to an enemy (I'm a kinetics defender) is simply futile

I can't count the number of times an energy blaster has cried at me for not healing him, even after I explain about how his really pretty knockback powers are knocking enemies out of healing range...

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Even worse. A crazed Storm Defender who opened combat with Tornado whilst fighting +3s with no tank on the team. And would then run away when his health dropped.

My Kinetics lasted 1 mish, only because I hate running out on missions if I can help it.

I love Empathys. No more End troubles and I can go semi-nuts and wade in without worrying too much.


 

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I love Empathys. No more End troubles and I can go semi-nuts and wade in without worrying too much.

[/ QUOTE ]Funny, that's the reason I love kins


 

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Hehe another empaths are unappreciated thread? Wow this is a hot topic. Sure I can recall when my empath was leveling and I couldnt play cos I couldnt solo. Seems to be certin times in the game when emapths arent too popular and again they peak.


 

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I found it very very hard to find a team that actually wanted an empath to join, even at lvl 17.


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Well you can always recuit a team by yourself... As a Rad defender whose rep. is set as Invincible I have to recuit before starting missions or decrease the reputation...I can soloing rugged missions pretty well but in any case i cannot face an Inv. miss all alone...
And since lvl 1, I have been always receiving tells asking if I was a Healer (well there has been 2 nice weeks where ppl asked me If I was a RAd, but they decreased the Regen of the Av/Gm again )... So in my oppinion empaths are the most wanted defenders... And you are lucky, at least ppl understand your powers, while in the case of mines, even if i set a Macro informing of my anchor before using RI or EF, it is got killed the first too often!!
In any case, once you get a good team to play with, I find buffers/debuffers more enjoyable than empaths (but this is only my oppinion)...


 

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As I mainly play my tank I love anyone that can give me a little more durability when I'm surrounded by mobs. It's not so much about the powerset though, it's the player using it. I team regularly with 2 empaths (although one is on a break at the moment) and I'm definately more effective with them. In fact, I've teamed with one of them from lvl 8 upwards (since Christmas - I'm a slow leveller ) and when you get to the stage where you can second-guess each others actions it's makes a huge difference. When that person is a really good empath the effect can be devastating. Tanking very large groups 5 levels above you isn't the debt fest it usually is.

I'm always happy to see a good empath in the team.


 

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I love Empathys. No more End troubles and I can go semi-nuts and wade in without worrying too much.

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Me too. But we're trying to cheer up the Empaths here MaX.

Actually the reason is the heals. With a Kinetic I've to make sure I'm close to the main melee or *shudder* heal myself. With an empath I can stand whereever and let them worry about keeping my sorry [censored] standing.


 

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Seems to be the case that empaths are wanted and are a must for newbies or going through the lower lvls again, i remember when i first started getting an empath was so hard as they were in such high demand.

At the high lvls though say 40+ empaths do seem to take a back seat also if you got a team full of people who have multiple high lvl alts then empaths are abit unwanted.

Imo i have no objection to having empaths on any team with me no matter the lvl as sometimes no matter how good a player you are you can find yourself in trouble and an empath on the team is a great back up dishing out heals,fort and cm is always a benifit.

Only prob i have with high lvl empaths not all but some out there is they dont heal when you need it, or stick themself on follow with heal aura on auto while they go afk,ive had it happen many times while lvl up my pb


 

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Empaths unappreciated? Don't think so. I usually have to tell others to stop thanking my pure empathy defender, still telling them at level 38.

In my opinion there is not enough 'Wow - great blasting....' bla bla bla

Guffette will continue to ‘Guff’ out heals and buffs in defiant until it stops being fun. Not sure it’s gonna happen


 

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Empaths unappreciated? Don't think so. I usually have to tell others to stop thanking my pure empathy defender, still telling them at level 38.

In my opinion there is not enough 'Wow - great blasting....' bla bla bla

Guffette will continue to ‘Guff’ out heals and buffs in defiant until it stops being fun. Not sure it’s gonna happen

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Or great debuffing - oh, sorry that dosent create red or green numbers - must be teh gimp then