Empath's, unappreciated?


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I've said it once, and I'll say it again: You do NOT need a tank and an empath to kill an AV. You don't even need a full team.


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But do you need to AVOID any powersets to win


 

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I'd agree with Max entirely, any combo of AT's Powers can do anything.

Some are just easier/simplier.

But complicated situations are more fun!

Contranking FTW!


 

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This type of flame posts is so USA. Do we really need the 'i've done this, I've done that', 'I soloed this in I?' sort of posts and the 'dont need "x"alt in a team' post.
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This type of flame posts is so USA. Do we really need the 'i've done this, I've done that', 'I soloed this in I?' sort of posts and the 'dont need "x"alt in a team' post.


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Wow I can get into teams really easily and I have a lvl 40 healer. One time I went on and looked at the screen and had 5 tells telling me if I wanted to join their team. I hadn't even moved!! my healer is still lvl 40 after about 2 months. I can get teams easily. A hint for the future put into your search bar "Pure emapthy looking for team!! Need team will heal for xp!!!! INVITE ME!!!!!" that worked for me


 

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I have a rule of thumb (which I break every now an again )

If a team ever askes me if I am a healer, or if I heal, I won't join.

If a team ever says "we need a healer", it's make exuses at end of mission.

ONly rules of thumb, but they keep my debt down.

And to be honest, I always have more fun in a team with no healers - Ive never found the whole "Heal" thing really fit with superhero / comic book lore.


 

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so you dont need either tanks nor empaths to team with you?
would love to see you handle an av or a gm without eitherĀ“of them.

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I've _tanked_ AVs, for example Bile or Nemesis (one +1, one +2, can't remember which was which), with my Regen Scrappers and a Rad/Rad or such as the only defender on the team. And it's, you know, just freaking Regens, without even Moment Of Glory. (I find that power a waste of a power choice anyway.)

And I don't even mean in a team of scrappers, so we could switch who gets the aggro when, but just me tanking for a bunch of blasters and a defender. I won't say I thought it was possible, and I pretty much thought "it's over, I'm dead" when my Instant Healing ran out, but guess what? I still didn't die.

Mind you, the defenders deserve the credit there, not I.

And I'll tell you who else deseves credit there: guys like the ice blaster who slowed the AV some more, and occasionally even froze him solid. The hold effect from the Ice set does stack with the Rad's Choking Cloud hold.

So please don't underestimate what other defenders can do. In fact, don't estimate what any set or good combination of sets can do. See above the combination of a Blaster set with a Defender set to hold an AV.

Basically anyone viewing COH as some over-simplified combination of "pure damage AT" (every Blaster should be a Fire Blaster), "pure healer AT" (every Defender should be a "healer"), "pure meatshield AT", etc, is just... living in their own fantasy world. There's a reason why there are more sets or secondary effects out there. Learn to use them right, and you might be surprised what they _can_ do.

Even if you play an Empath, there's more to it than being a heal-only bot. There are powers even in the Empathy set which can help a team more. E.g., Clear Mind can be worth a lot more than watching the Blasters wander around disoriented and healing them when their health gets low. E.g., here's an underrated one: Fortitude. E.g., I probably don't have to explain why Recovery Aura is more needed than Healing Aura at levels 40+. And then there's Adrenaline Boost. Now that's a nice power.

I know you probably use those, but just saying: those are buffs, not heals. Noone's playing a pure heal-only bot, or if they do, then they're doing a massive disservice to their team.


 

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Empaths unappreciated? Looks like I've been teaming with different people to you.

Ok, story time

The other day, I was playing my kin/rad defender. Now I don't normally join PUGs, but I was a little bored, so I went and joined one. It was your standard melee group, couple of scrappers, couple of tanks, troller and an empath. Naturally I was pretty happy, the troller and empath could help keep everyone alive while I could buff the hell out of the front support.

Unfortunately, everyone seemed to have other ideas. Both the scrappers constantly ran to either side of the mob group, so it was impossible for me to buff them both, the troller didn't seem to care about CC, the tanks were trying to be scrappers and the empath seemed to have just put his AoE heal on auto, hit follow and gone to the pub.
I really should have quit the team, but I wanted to see just how bad it could get.

So there I was, running around trying to buff, heal and attack all at the same time (fortunately I was a level higher than the mobs) in an attempt to keep the group alive and moving forward.


At the end of the mission, guess what happened.

' Nice healing empath, we couldn't have done it without you '


Arrgggghhhh!!!!

Ok, that's the end of my small rant.
The moral of the story is, empaths are always appreciated. The problem is, it might not be by who you want it to be


 

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seems all of this has been wanting to come out for a long time eh?

to follow up on my actual OP, my healer is still lvl 7
i go on with her a few times a day and look for teams but nothing. i've had enough time to play my PB to 20 and my ws to 10(even restarted it like 3 times bc of build misstakes)
sooo i guess the healer just wont happen for me. i'll leave it to those that can get teams


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sooo i guess the healer just wont happen for me

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IMHO you're not missing much matey... other sets are sooo much more fun!


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sooo i guess the healer just wont happen for me

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IMHO you're not missing much matey... other sets are sooo much more fun!

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well imo healing is fun i like the feeling of actually "doing" something. not that i dont love the other AT's i absolutely adore tanking, and scrapping and blasting i have even had a new run at khels and this time i actually enjoy even them

Healing will just have to be put on hold until further notice


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With 'healing' you feel like you're doing something...until you get into a good team, where no healing is needed. At that point, empathy becomes nothing more than handing out fort, auras and AB when they're available, which is boring as hell.


 

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With 'healing' you feel like you're doing something...until you get into a good team, where no healing is needed. At that point, empathy becomes nothing more than handing out fort, auras and AB when they're available, which is boring as hell.

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when/if this happens there is time to enjoy the nice chatting and just being with nice ppl in a nice team.
There is more to gaming than just healing,or hitting ppl in the face.


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With 'healing' you feel like you're doing something...until you get into a good team, where no healing is needed. At that point, empathy becomes nothing more than handing out fort, auras and AB when they're available, which is boring as hell.

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when/if this happens there is time to enjoy the nice chatting and just being with nice ppl in a nice team.
There is more to gaming than just healing,or hitting ppl in the face.

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yeah, and then there is the deliberatly drawing aggro to start getting people in trouble so you can heal for a bit


 

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aaah, ye, enough to get kicked that is


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But its all illusion and perception isnt it!

EMpaths / Heals: Ooooh look at my health bar going up - empath you have saved the day! ooooh look at all the pretty green numbers floating above my head - empath you are teh uber!

Forcefielders/Sonicers: Hey, mr. bubbler you are teh suck! look at me, I am teh uber, Im pwnzing these goons, teh cant even touch me!

Rad / Dark /TA: Hey dont bother telling me who teh anchor is, I am pwnzing these guys! look how fast I am killing them, I am teh uber! you suck!

Storm: Hey your heals are teh suck! are u H38lo4 or what? u r teh leech, watch me pwnz these guys, I am teh uber, they are so Sloooow compared to me!

etc etc


 

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There is more to gaming than just healing,or hitting ppl in the face.

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Poppycock.


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There is more to gaming than just healing,or hitting ppl in the face.

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Poppycock.

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poppy-whaa? translation please..


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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think


 

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It's old people speak

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Why you young whippershnapper, if I was 10 years younger I'd clip ye round the ear'ole.


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But its all illusion and perception isnt it!

EMpaths / Heals: Ooooh look at my health bar going up - empath you have saved the day! ooooh look at all the pretty green numbers floating above my head - empath you are teh uber!

Forcefielders/Sonicers: Hey, mr. bubbler you are teh suck! look at me, I am teh uber, Im pwnzing these goons, teh cant even touch me!

Rad / Dark /TA: Hey dont bother telling me who teh anchor is, I am pwnzing these guys! look how fast I am killing them, I am teh uber! you suck!

Storm: Hey your heals are teh suck! are u H38lo4 or what? u r teh leech, watch me pwnz these guys, I am teh uber, they are so Sloooow compared to me!

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Sadly, ever so sadly, this kind of sarcastic comment about how people might think seriously doesnt sound too far-fetched to me but with empaths thats more lower level perception and with a good tanker and a good team on a typical mission the support heals arent necessarily even required, survivability can come from the buffs and no one but the tanker could actually get hit due to positioning. The tanker could have adrenalin boost when not double RA'd and be perma forted anyway (well in i7 that fort for defense will seriously count).


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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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I got it from a dictionary


 

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Rad / Dark /TA: Hey dont bother telling me who teh anchor is, I am pwnzing these guys! look how fast I am killing them, I am teh uber! you suck!

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I've found that with Dark, people often don't even know you are doing anything. I was on a mission where things went a bit pear shaped and when the smoke cleared I was asked why I wasn't healing. Before I could answer someone informed the group that it was because I was afk. When I asked them why they thought that they said "cos you had full End". I had to explain that I'd been using nothing but my primaries which don't use much end (especially when the team is near death) and I couldn't heal as people kept running away from me. Plus I wasn't a healer anyway. I left the team shortly after...


 

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It's old people speak for "rubbish" or "I do not agree with your statement".

They stopped using it around World War I I think

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I got it from a dictionary

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An old dictionary?

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I've found that with Dark, people often don't even know you are doing anything. I was on a mission where things went a bit pear shaped and when the smoke cleared I was asked why I wasn't healing. Before I could answer someone informed the group that it was because I was afk. When I asked them why they thought that they said "cos you had full End". I had to explain that I'd been using nothing but my primaries which don't use much end (especially when the team is near death) and I couldn't heal as people kept running away from me. Plus I wasn't a healer anyway. I left the team shortly after...

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Yeah with Dark its really hard to tell they're up to anything, except for the tenctacles. DN &amp; Tar Patch get swamped by it. Generally I just assume people are doing what I'd do with those lurvely powers and hope it all works out. Fire / Rad 'troller and a D3 is the business.

Rad is very obvious with its tasteful lime green swirlies, as is Storms Freezing Rain, although Snow Storm is a bit trickier to spot.

The easiest to miss (in my ever-humble opinion) is TA and / or Kinetics. Most people would swear all the Kinetics does is Speed Boost you and heal until they get Fulcrum Shift. Things like the Siphons &amp; ID etc often go missed completely. I've teamed with high level kinetics and I've missed the Transference and Fulcrum Shifts but given how quickly we were slicing thru spawns they were definetely there.