For All heros that DONT like PVP...

As PVP is evergrowing in our community, and we are always willing to encourage more and more into the world of what us PVP's thrive on so much. - however, of late there has been a LOT of people that always HATED the entire aspect of PVP and now with a little guidence from the community, he/she/they are enjoying the thrill to maximum.

So without this becoming a flame war, just out of interest,
What do you not like about PVP? - I would really like to find out so maybe we can get more and more people involved if they are somewhat mislead.

Thanks
zak

Coming from someone who isn't a fan of PvP....

I have to say the thrill I get from it is the adrenalin rush from fighting against a live enemy (anyone who's been paintballing will have some idea of this).

The fact they are unpredictible and the fight can go either way, especially if other players unexpectedly get involved.

So I would say the unpredictablity of PvP is what makes it exciting, for me that is

OOps just reread the OP and realised that I gave the wrong answer.

What I hate about PvP is some of the childish attitudes, if someone ganks me, meh it doesn't bother me - I just go to the hospital, but some of the language and responses you get from some people is really unbelievable, I don't whinge or complain - if it gets annoying I just leave the zone.

The second thing I find annoying about PvP is that you need certain powers just to survive in PvP and I don't just mean actual fighting, I mean just moving around can be hazardous to your health if you don't have the right powers

Some of the attitudes that various people have can be annoying.

An in that vein, how about this for a suggestion:
Add a new Arena type, PvP practise session, or such, where you can completely build a toon with whatever sets you desire (I mean as per usual, not cross-AT), and then choose an opponent of powersets of your choice, which you can practise your pvp build against (at your selected level). The opponent could be a friend in a real toon, or another practise-toon, or a (much more advanced) NPC toon with the sets you requested (the NPC would choose powers it wanted from the selected primary/secondary sets though, and choose it's own pools).

This arena match would basically do nothing except let you see how other toons handle, how to possibly build and slot them for PvP, give you insight into what type of toon you might like to level for PvP, and primarilly of all, experience battle 'advanced' foes.

Shrug.

I guess for autenthicity you could throw in an option for smack talk, where the toon would spout 'i pwnz0rd ur l4m3r a55 p\/p n00b' etc when/if it takes you down, and proceeds to jump up and down on your corpse...

Shrug again.

In saying that, I don't hate PvP, I do it occasionally, and will do it more when I have a PvP built toon..

Shrug.

What I don't like about PvP is needing a seperate build to be any use. I can't take my Blaster in without respecing him into a bunch of PvP appropriate powers, yet I don't really know if I want to, because he was my first and main toon, and I had those powers from the word go. If they gave us 2 builds, one for PvP and one for PvE, I'd like it a lot more.

btw... this came is called City of Heroes how can you spell that word wrong? ^^;

(almost) every build can perform well in pvp, yet specialized builds will always have the upper hand. My earth/storm troller or ice/ice tank for instance are PvE builds (got em in i4 before pvp became a very big deal). Sure I admit, ice tanks and earth/storm in pvp already is pretty powerful, yet i bet someone that will respec any of those builds to a PvP build can do even better. Just like your blaster can do well in pvp, however someone with a seperate PvP build will have an edge.

I don't PvP much, and if/when i do, its only with people i know really. I just feel that the PvP zones attract the wrong crowd. It's only in these zones that i hear horror stories of the "bad crowd" that just generally annoy people.

Like for example over coalition chat i hear that some1 was swearing at some of my mates etc, because they are good PvP-ers and were taking him down, then when they politely asked him to be quiet HE petitioned THEM and continued swearing etc.

Or the Stalker that AS'd one of my blaster mates, then ran off, only to be chased down by said blaster with full defiance and beaten. To which the stalker responded with foul language etc.

I just dont find many of these people in the PvE area's - sure they'r there but i just think the competitiveness of the PvP brings it out of people.

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What I don't like about PvP is needing a seperate build to be any use.

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QFT.

Whilst I've never been heavily involved in PvP I have watched and participated in some fun duels, with heroes and villains hanging out and cheering on their 'side', and even had some interesting random encounters, such as a stalker who just couldn't kill me, but I just couldn't get hold of the sod before he disappeared again (if I remember rightly I fell to some lowly spiderlings after his umpteenth assassin strike).

What I dislike is being set upon at random and then 2 or 3 other people noticing the fight and ganging up after an easy kill, or when people empty a full tray of inspirations during a fight they simply refuse to lose (I just don't like the use of inspirations in PvP, as it takes away from the strategic use of your own powers). There's also the inevitable bickering and foul language because one persons idea of fair play differs from anothers, or simply because they're a sore loser.

I just find PvP can bring out the worst in some people.

I hate the whole 'I don't like their attitude' thing. If someone insults you, ever even not just in game, why should you care? Someone calls me a '[self-censored] [self-censored again] toaster boy' or some such rubbish I read it, then never think about it again, and am completely unphased about it. There's nothing to get bothered about.

If they go anywhere near the hair however HELL SHALT BE UNLEASHED.

I don't mind PvP most of the time, but sometimes people really get to me, by just taking it over the top, for example "rubbing it in" after I mucked up or they killed me or something like that.

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U gone dun it now

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run for it. btw what i hate are those who complain whenever something doesnt go their way, the stalker who finally gets beaten by a blaster they had killed a dozen times who starts spamming broadcast with insults and complaints bout them being overpowered or cheating.
Basically people whos attitudes make me look like a good loser .

My problems with pvp can be phrased thusly:

1: Adrenaline. Odd I know but I hate adrenaline. The feeling, the mood it gets you in, the competetiveness and, though this may just be me, the fact that adrenaline makes me scared every time it's used by my body (I'd imagine a side effect of the fight or flight response). I just don't like the feeling, much like rollercoasters and horror films pvp leaves me feeling unsettled. I don't like this, so I avoid them.

2: Competetiveness. I'm not competetive, other people are. Mainly myself and these people don't get along. I don't see the need for beating each other senseless in virtual environments and would much rather work co-operatively and socialise.

3: Reactions. My reactions suck. Several FPS and RTS games have tought me this. While this game uses less in the way of reactions I'm still slow.

4: Specific builds/L33T players: I consider these one and the same for one reason. I play to have fun and play the powers I like. Pvp builds and L33T players exist to min-max. I don't, so I avoid them.

5: Attitude. Not once in my life have I had a friendly pvp experience. This has tainted my view.

Some may take offence to the posted reasons and to them I apologise. However these are my views and experiences and I can't change that. I'm not a pvp fan and probably never will be. I don't begrudge people for liking it, that's their choice.

Nice and honest though ashen, thats totaly fair enough, - I can understand that PVP is not everyones liking, but reading through thease posts, seems that its generally the attitude that makes a lasting sour taste.

Luckily the PVP commuity is not like the zones. - I'd like to take this chance to openly suggest that you at least try PVP on say a wednesday night (tommrow) on test server at 8:30 in PI arena. - we do mixed teams, so any build is welcome and no need for min/max as its all about "doing" rather than a true competitive event. - I think and or at least anyone who comes on wens nights will tell you that its in the best interests of fun... I mean some of the french turn up somtimes.. How much more fun do you need than that

The games I cant take credit for Knightstalker arranges the events, but Im sure he/we will appreciate anyone showing up.

So how about it ?

For those that dont know how to get the test server to work, there is a "welcome to the training room" thread in the test server topic.

Show yourselves and enjoy it

Tell you what. I'll try it out. Now to find out how to get on the test server. I'm sure I've done it before. I'll figure it out.

If it's all good clean fun I'm game for it. Plus good clean fun + bullets + foreign targets sounds good. I may not be competetive but it's easier to shoot people who don't speak my language.

Two words: Drone TP'ing

I normally don't do PvP which I think all comes from my days of play VS fighting games like Street Fighter 2, Tekken etc where I always used to beaten all the time.

I know CoH is totally different and i have done it maybe 3 times in total and i'm not amazing but not utter rubbish.

All my best pals in Co* are into PvP so i'm planning to dabble more in it just see what's what.

I'm sort of in the same bunch of people that wish you didn't have to tweak the build so much to become that awesome char. If i'm playing a lot with people who have heavily optimised build for PvP and I don't which leads me to being beaten all the time then that will put me off for life

Ah well.. gotta take part and practise to get good so no doubt you'll see me about soonish.

I have been in Sirens a few times with a couple of different toons and when it flows it's a great adrenalin thrill.

I dislike that it often gets so uneven in Sirens. It seems to me that some people like nothing better than being on the winning side , ganging up on the sparse opposition over and over again until they get tired of banging their head to the wall and go away. I personally have no interest partaking in PvP fights where the result is painfully clear in advance, whether I'm on winning or losing side. I'm talking about 6 on 1 kind of odds here.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating one-on-one in PvP zones. I like that someone else can swoop in whenever and completely turn the tide. I like swooping in and turning the tide myself. Just not interested in mindless slaughter.

I've done the odd bit of PvPing since I hit 50. Got my rep upto 50 this week.

Some days it was really good. Tuesday lunch time in Sierns was tops. Afew hero teams and a few villan team slugging it out. Maybe 8-10 on each side. Mostly is was all good fare fighting. There was a bit of trash talking but all good natured, we even did a few DM/DA scrapper vs DM/DA brute 1v1s.

The over all badside being a few un-necessary /tells and people camping outside mission doors when they see others go in.

The bad side from a personal point of view is that being a DM/DA scrapper all my attacks are mele range. Hence I get targeted for quite a lot (AS, C'FUSE etc) but can do jack about it. Even the brutes were running away from toe to toe fights. SO it must be pure luck getting the pvp kills abdges and 50 rep. lol

I don't like pvp because it's really clumsy.

I don't like the way you can target somebody through a building so you always know where they are.

I don't like the bendy fireballs. Basically, there's no skill involved in actually hitting someone, it's calculated by the server.

The only skill involved is movement and choosing the right powers at the right time. Anyone who is seen as skilled in pvp is basically somebody who clicks buttons in an efficient order. This renders it completely pointless in my view.

Also, certain powersets are at a huge advantage.

Being perma held and slowly killed is no fun, neither is being forced to carry a full tray of break frees just to play pvp.

basically, I just hate the general arrogance and by contrast whininess of pvp players. It's like some kind of giant ********** where everyone pats each other on the back in certain pvp cliques. All my perception of course.

The only people who nearly made me enjoy pvp was an ice tank called the ice duke who had a really great attitude and made me laugh, and cassandraa who almost convinced me that a tank can be useful in pvp.

But mostly I hate pvp because it has been crowbarred into this game at the expense of the pve game. Pvp is basically responsible for the watering down of the pve game. This is cold hard FACT despite what statesman says in his press releases written by alistair campbell.

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I don't like the bendy fireballs. Basically, there's no skill involved in actually hitting someone, it's calculated by the server.

The only skill involved is movement and choosing the right powers at the right time. Anyone who is seen as skilled in pvp is basically somebody who clicks buttons in an efficient order. This renders it completely pointless in my view.

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But seriously, I'm not a big fan of PvP, because like Ashen, I prefer to cooperate. Not compete.

That said, I have PvPed, both in the arena and in the zones.
With my controler, mostly.
I had some good and some bad experiences, though I rarely loosed, oddly enough... (Grav/FF build for PvE, doubt it's the most effective build around, but I like it)

like one time, I was in Sirens, don't remeber why I went there...
And I was 'stalking' the lead bounty, contemplating if I wanted to engage... the brute had an other brute, a stalker and a dominator as friends, so decided not to. They did attack me, though. I recognised the SG as a RP sg, so I sent the call out to my RP sg for some backup. 2 Scrappers answered, and were nearing the gate as the dominator entered DOOOMINATION (sorry about that ) and finally broke through my PFF.
Went to the hospital, grouped up and went to retaliate.
The battle lasted for hours, and went all over the zone, though was concentrated near the villain base as the 4 villains ran from the 3 heroes most of the time. There was a lot of friendly and all in all non offencive banter, but the constant running from an even battle as is slowly turned out they were loosing... that grithed on my nerves.



.... back on topic...

What I don't like in PvP is that my powers don't work as I expect them to work: ACC drop from 75 to 50 %?, No hold after the previous for a minute or so?

What I don't like is the unpredictability. No, I don't mind some surprizes, but in PvE I can predict failry well how a fight will go, which targets need holding, which don't and so on.
Yes, I face plant, no I don't mind. Yes, sometimes the fecal mater hits the ocilating device, and that doesn't bother me, so long as I have some idea I have some controle on the outcome (fitting for a controler, no?)

... I'm babbling, I'll shut up now...

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I don't like pvp because it's really clumsy.

I don't like the way you can target somebody through a building so you always know where they are.

I don't like the bendy fireballs. Basically, there's no skill involved in actually hitting someone, it's calculated by the server.

The only skill involved is movement and choosing the right powers at the right time. Anyone who is seen as skilled in pvp is basically somebody who clicks buttons in an efficient order. This renders it completely pointless in my view.

Also, certain powersets are at a huge advantage.

Being perma held and slowly killed is no fun, neither is being forced to carry a full tray of break frees just to play pvp.

basically, I just hate the general arrogance and by contrast whininess of pvp players. It's like some kind of giant ********** where everyone pats each other on the back in certain cliques . All my perception of course.

The only people who nearly made me enjoy pvp was an ice tank called the ice duke who had a really great attitude and made me laugh, and cassandraa who almost convinced me that a tank can be useful in pvp.

But mostly I hate pvp because it has been crowbarred into this game at the expense of the pve game. Pvp is basically responsible for the watering down of the pve game. This is cold hard FACT despite what statesman says in his press releases written by alistair campbell.

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Totally identify with the clique bit! I only really enter pvp zones for badges (Still don't have Rocketman either as I lost my nerve a while ago with just 2 to launch!). Entered zones where there's been this idle banter over broadcast, while folk are killing eachother - this just detracts from the game for me & makes it feel kind of cheap, lol it reminds me of when I used to play Quake, but that was a different game altogether as it did rely on skill with only a crosshair. I'm glad you mentioned the targetting element, so true, it is dependant on your cycle of powers only really & your deftness is movement (if u have enough breakfrees in your tray!).

Personally, I don't like pvp in this game but used to love it in other games where you were all the same & skill was the factor. Many of my mates love pvp-ing in CoH, so much so that I hardly ever get to team with them anymore now , obviously don't begrudge them that, as it really comes down to preference/choice. I just hope there is going to be more pve development in CoH, but I think I might be dreaming a bit too much.

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Thanks, I think that sums it up for me overall. I just couldnt find the words.

saying it this way also sounds less negative

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heh, cheers for the compliment there (though i must admit I dont remember PvPing with you )

anyway, i can understand the viewpoint of the people that dont like PvP. There are good people out there and you can have some laughs fighting each other and have a good time, yet there are always those annoying people as well that enter the zone. Prob is, those annoying people can and will ruin the whole PvP experience.

Some of us can put up a thick hide and stand it, others will be put off by it. Then about zonal PvP there always is the risk of ganking. I, personally, dont join fights if my side is clearly winning that fight (so if 4 heroes fight 1 villain and are easily winning, I wont be hero number 5 joinin in). Course, if the villain decides 4 aint enough and aims for me, I have to defend myself, but thats a different story.

About the tracking of powers, true it can put you off at times, but as said, same goes for PvE. Hate it when I think I safely ran from an enemy, only to have an impact of their power 5 miles away from when they activated it. However I dont see a real fix in this, as relying on own movement as well as accuracy/defense will have a huge effect on accuracy and defense values.

Personally, I'm a casual PvPer. However I know that in some people's eyes im an experienced PvPer. Now, dont get me wrong, aint sayin this for bragging rights . What I'm tryin to say is, even though I might know the ropes of PvP I still see CoX as a PvE game. Normally I only go PvP if either im bored, or some friends are busy with PvP and I feel like lending a hand. I wont become someone where PvP will become a large part of their overall gaming cause of reasons mentioned before.

PS. I dont mind annoying [censored] that keep spamming broadcast or send you insulting tells. I just run up to em, laugh em in the face and give em a run for their money fighting me