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Cant you AS a flying hero or something?
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Yes, you can. If you can fly too. I can't.
As I have Impale I decided to do without fly and have become pretty useful at hitting someone with impale and judging where they're going to crash land, so that I can be there waiting with placate and AS.
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Okies, just wondered why the issue of flying heroes was raised, presumably he doesnt have fly.
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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.
I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.
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all i know is that this moaning about stalkers is getting us nerfed so i would like to thank all the whiney ppl 4 that. a/s is one of the plus points of being a stalker compared to low hp (under 1000 for a lvl 40) and weak defence.
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Mate, this conversation has been done to death on both this board and the US one, 1000s of petitions have been sent saying stalkers are abusing thier powers and if they are going to get nerfed they will get nerfed regardless of what the customer says/moans about. Its not like anyone was saying "yay ED rocks" did they?
You dont need to protect the stalker AT, cryptic knows the role they designed it for and to be honest it doesnt take much to kill them if you know what you are doing, same with any AT/powerset combo.
There is literally no stalker with a lower defence than mine and I dont moan about it, nor do I need defence for that matter 
depending on how you use it the stalker is an awesome solo pvp AT, but then so are scrappers, blasters and some controllers. Its all the same.
Dont take it personal, dont get heated up defending the AT as it will just sour your enjoyment, play it and have fun.
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a/s makes up for our poor defence and hp.
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Stalkers have the second best defensive capabilities out of all the villain ATs...
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Okies, just wondered why the issue of flying heroes was raised, presumably he doesnt have fly.
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I don't know why it was raised either - I'm guessing Foamy doesn't know about flying Stalkers.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what Stalkers can and cannot do.
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Okies, just wondered why the issue of flying heroes was raised, presumably he doesnt have fly.
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I don't know why it was raised either - I'm guessing Foamy doesn't know about flying Stalkers.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what Stalkers can and cannot do.
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Reminds me of that silly ninja site (http://www.realultimatepower.net/) where he says ninjas can fly 
Something i've noticed is that AS seems to get interrupted a lot if you TP next to your mark.
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a/s makes up for our poor defence and hp.
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Stalkers have the second best defensive capabilities out of all the villain ATs...
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Yep. I have a SR Stalker and my defence is far from lacking.
dont get me wrong mate i dont moan about my stalker i just play to his advantages in pvp and try to have a laugh, just sick of people moaning about stalkers saying we need to be nerfed and attacking our tactics via broadcast in pvp.
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dont get me wrong mate i dont moan about my stalker i just play to his advantages in pvp and try to have a laugh, just sick of people moaning about stalkers saying we need to be nerfed and attacking our tactics via broadcast in pvp.
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I know, and it can get to you when people are bad natured in PVP, morons are prevailant throughout life and COx isnt immune. How many times ahve we heard scrappers say we shouldnt use hide and AS in a fight only go quiet when we say "fine, drop your toggles then"
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yer m8 its like stalkers cant win, we seem to be a target for every other a/t. people want us to not use as or hide but to make things "fair" but they arent willing to drop their defences.
Yeah, I've lost count of the number of times someone has challenged me to come and "fight fair!" then gone on to say I wasn't allowed to use hide or AS.
What!?
I just don't answer people who say things like that. You have to get to the point where people who say daft things like that are entertaining to you, not annoying.
"Fight fair... Don't use any of your powers!" 
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yer m8 its like stalkers cant win, we seem to be a target for every other a/t. people want us to not use as or hide but to make things "fair" but they arent willing to drop their defences.
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Mate stop listening to that sort of rubbish, 'drop hide' yeah right Just put broadcast away like I do and AS/impale to your hearts content. Let the others cope with stalker tactics, they are far from unbeatable.
If people would come up with countermeasures(bring another AT along thats useful against one type of tactic) instead of complaining, the overall character spectrum would just diversify. PVP circle is however growing just so slowly that people are often left to cope on their own.
i think i might do that,actually im gonna go in2 sirens tonight and mass a/s a blaster or 2 lol
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yer m8 its like stalkers cant win, we seem to be a target for every other a/t. people want us to not use as or hide but to make things "fair" but they arent willing to drop their defences.
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Best advice I can give is to just let it float past you - it's really not worth bothering about, and it's not worth dropping to their level about.
In a 3 vs Me in WB yesterday, I was complained at for using Elude - sure man, as soon as you stop using Aim and Build Up, I'll not use my Aim and Build Up countermove. /e thumbsup
I could have seen his point, had I banged it straight at the start of the fight (but I never start out a fight with a timer running if I can help it), but I waited until I was in one/two shot territory before doing so - if I have time to make that decision you haven't been quick enough, and it's your turn to play mouse until I can't play the cat any longer... but he didn't, he left the zone to the sound of a concerto of tiny violins, via hospital express.
It's far more amusing to drop the people who complain about you repeatedly, than it is to pay any attention to what they're moaning about.
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yer m8 its like stalkers cant win, we seem to be a target for every other a/t. people want us to not use as or hide but to make things "fair" but they arent willing to drop their defences.
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That's cos you keep sneaking up behind us and stabbing us in the back!
Everytime I've been munched in PvP by a stalker, all my defenses have been active (obviously not phase shift) and I'm still as soft as tissue paper.
I just think that no AT should be killed in under 1 second of a fight starting, it's no challenge for the stalker and without it being a challenge it's not fun for either...unless the blaster has been mouthing off in broadcast of course
If I respecced and specifically tailored my build towards fighting stalkers it probably wouldn't be as one-sided, but I shouldn't have to do that just to PvP.
I think instead of a defense boost for blasters, devs should give us a bonus to perception, we're still soft but at least we have a chance of seeing you coming, what do you guys think?
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If I respecced and specifically tailored my build towards fighting stalkers it probably wouldn't be as one-sided, but I shouldn't have to do that just to PvP.
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No but a PvP respec to be able to combat the majority of ATs should be done if you've going to indulge in PvP. I'm not saying that everyone has to run out and get tactics, but certain powers are more useful in PvP than PvE and you need to build around that.
Not getting something to help deal with stalkers, is no different to having no mez protection to protect from dominators.
thats not a good idea m8, the whole point of a stalker is to be sneaky like a ninja. if they gave you a perc bonus then we would'nt be very sneaky would we lol.
i like nothing better than a good old 1 on 1 scrap but its fun 2 hit killing an opponant
Not sure my opinion about stalkers really. (as a start, yes i have played one). Someones comment about they're defences I think is totally wrong as they have more defence than every AT except Tanks, Brutes and Scrappers (not sure about khieldian tank form figures). Stalk-o-bot is annoying with his "fly above you + impale + land + AS" although did get him a couple of times last night when he tried that with aim+buildup+snipe hehe. The 4-way AS strike on me was....a little annoying :/ so i went to sit on a roof for a while and calm down heh until i was apparently the bounty :/ 2 way AS then.
Stalkers will get nerfed i think, as all AT's do (and this is non dependant on any player opinions not directly emailed imo).
If I had to narrow down why I get annoyed at Stalkers to one statement it would be that it isn't a "fight". A fight would involve me being able to do damage to them but with the damage AS does (when done from hide), i'm only left with a tiny amount of health (sometimes 1 hit) which is easy then to pick off with another attack not least if its Spines - impale. The "not being able to see them" I don't mind because as many have said there are a lot of powers that give +per plus the concealment pool available to make yourself more difficult to attack in the first place (pictures a whole pvp zone full of invisible people.....WOW THE ACTION!). Hmmm well I just walked away from the computer and have come back and completely lost where I was going with this :/ so i'll leave it there.
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Not sure my opinion about stalkers really. (as a start, yes i have played one). Someones comment about they're defences I think is totally wrong as they have more defence than every AT except Tanks, Brutes and Scrappers (not sure about khieldian tank form figures). Stalk-o-bot is annoying with his "fly above you + impale + land + AS" although did get him a couple of times last night when he tried that with aim+buildup+snipe hehe. The 4-way AS strike on me was....a little annoying :/ so i went to sit on a roof for a while and calm down heh until i was apparently the bounty :/ 2 way AS then.
Stalkers will get nerfed i think, as all AT's do (and this is non dependant on any player opinions not directly emailed imo).
If I had to narrow down why I get annoyed at Stalkers to one statement it would be that it isn't a "fight". A fight would involve me being able to do damage to them but with the damage AS does (when done from hide), i'm only left with a tiny amount of health (sometimes 1 hit) which is easy then to pick off with another attack not least if its Spines - impale. The "not being able to see them" I don't mind because as many have said there are a lot of powers that give +per plus the concealment pool available to make yourself more difficult to attack in the first place (pictures a whole pvp zone full of invisible people.....WOW THE ACTION!). Hmmm well I just walked away from the computer and have come back and completely lost where I was going with this :/ so i'll leave it there.
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Fire is a very good counter to stalkers with the DOT delayng the kick in for hide, its not often i get tagged when i am flying away by anyone but you killed me a good few times last night. Stalkers can be annoying and it took me quite some time to be adept at avoiding them on my troller and even now it is mainly dependant on having access to a jump pack
My stalkers tactics are a necessity, i cannot scrap in any way shape or form, he was built for stormies from the get go and though a stalker can have fairly decent defence mine doesnt I dotn really ahve a villain pvp build who can fight in sirens apart from him atm.
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I just think that no AT should be killed in under 1 second of a fight starting, it's no challenge for the stalker and without it being a challenge it's not fun for either...
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This is the biggest misunderstanding of the stalker class and the one I try to redress most often - even though this misconception is *not* really the fault of the hero.
To explain, I have a couple of examples.
Firstly, in Sirens a friend of mine entered the zone on the hero side - A scalp I really, really wanted.
I found this particular hero, near to two other heroes at the back and I tried various different angles, but couldn't really find one that looked good. I spent six or seven minutes bouncing around buildings, getting close to the trio and then backing out again, when it didn't look right.
Finally, on looping around a building I found the three heroes standing over a fallen villain. A second later a couple ran off, while the third, my target, stayed, hovering nearby but now alone.
In the next ten seconds I went in, hit build up... impale to shoot down the hovering hero, then placate and AS to finish him off.
Now, our "duel" had lasted almost ten minutes, but because the hero was only aware of the last ten seconds of it, he complained about how "easy" the fight was for me and how little he'd been able to do about it. He'd been successfully "fighting" me for several minutes through his movement, positioning and teaming, but he had no idea about that.
The same happened again in Bloody Bay - A group of level 50s showed up, with a lvl 37 and a lvl 39. They were joined by a level 17 blaster who had been in the zone when they arrived.
They played very well together, using stealth and clear mind to hide from me and attempt to stop me hiding from them. They moved as a group, popping in and out of sight as they moved out of the Dark Scrapper's stealth range.
As they moved from the hero base, to the main island, in toward Ground Zero I kept bouncing around, trying to remain on the edge of their circle, so I could see opportunity should it appear, but not get caught in the middle if I was exposed.
I kept bouncing and falling back, before their Tanker with mudpots on went one way and their Troller with clear mind went the other and I went right down the seam, found the blaster and killed him. Then used break frees to escape the Troller's holds and some superjump skipping to get out of range and back under hide as soon as possible.
Once I was safe the team started complaining about my "cheap" kill and how easy it was for Stalkers and how I should come fight them one on one, if I was any good. Blah blah blah.
The fact is that I worked my butt off for both of those kills, but all I heard in return was how easy life was, because neither hero involved saw any of the work I'd had to do to kill them. All they saw was Assassin Strike! and so they get the impression that any monkey can do this.
Both of those kills were a "challenge" for both me and the hero. The only problem being that I was the only one enjoying the challenge because the hero doesn't get a "lock on" warning that says "YOU ARE BEING STALKED" in red letters on the screen.
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Very good post I get a lot more enjoyment out of being in Sirens if I know there are stalkers in the zone. I don't need a "YOU ARE BEING STALKED" alert - just the possibility that there might be a stalker (or stalkers) trying to work an opening to attack me is all I need to keep me interested and having fun.
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all i know is that this moaning about stalkers is getting us nerfed so i would like to thank all the whiney ppl 4 that. a/s is one of the plus points of being a stalker compared to low hp (under 1000 for a lvl 40) and weak defence.
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I am sorry to break the news to you but what gets you nerfed is the unbalance way Cryptic designed some of the CoH AT's that were not made with PvP in mind.Remember that
Also your defence is not low as you will find out.
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dont get me wrong mate i dont moan about my stalker i just play to his advantages in pvp and try to have a laugh, just sick of people moaning about stalkers saying we need to be nerfed and attacking our tactics via broadcast in pvp.
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Stalkers moan about every single power out there that breaks their effectiveness and they moan a lot more than anyone else.
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thats not a good idea m8, the whole point of a stalker is to be sneaky like a ninja. if they gave you a perc bonus then we would'nt be very sneaky would we lol.
i like nothing better than a good old 1 on 1 scrap but its fun 2 hit killing an opponant
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Yes i am sure u like good old 1vs1 but only when the other 1 cant see you to hit you.Is fun for you to 2 hit kill someone but is not fun for others.
I personally dont mind stalkers and i 2shot kill them at every occasion and they moan about it all the time either because i see them from miles away or because i abuse the game mechanics with defiance. So i guess we are not supposed to use defiance then unless we are beaten up to red and die.
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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.
I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.
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AR is awsome in solo pvp and is one of the best stalker hunters when combined with devices.There is of course some weakness to the defiance strategy but if you get the hang of it well is pretty amazing what u can do.I soloed 20k bounty in 30 min a few nights ago with my AR/dev.An AR/dev can be very good providing aerial support to hero teams as an advanced observation and pin pointing targets for the team with /assist command. Especially the stealthed targets.It should be the best set for Team PvP targetting in open pvp zones imho. Something like a spying sattelite 
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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.
I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.
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AR is awsome in solo pvp and is one of the best stalker hunters when combined with devices.There is of course some weakness to the defiance strategy but if you get the hang of it well is pretty amazing what u can do.I soloed 20k bounty in 30 min a few nights ago with my AR/dev.An AR/dev can be very good providing aerial support to hero teams as an advanced observation and pin pointing targets for the team with /assist command. Especially the stealthed targets.It should be the best set for Team PvP targetting in open pvp zones imho. Something like a spying sattelite
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It only takes one stalker to tie you up out of the game tho of course that would take a certain stalker out of the game too. Isnt it funny when you get a kind of unwritten code going with certain players? I know a few people (not many) where its best for all concerned if we just ignore the other one in battle lest it just become a very long and drawn out battle of wills and nothing very productive is achieved. Anyone else find this or is it just me?
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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.
I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.
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all i know is that this moaning about stalkers is getting us nerfed so i would like to thank all the whiney ppl 4 that. a/s is one of the plus points of being a stalker compared to low hp (under 1000 for a lvl 40) and weak defence.