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how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute? they fly high or maintain a distance so they can use their ranged attacks which is playing to their strengths.
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i like the sound of that challenge m8, meet u in sirens call union tonight 
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how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute?
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Bad, totally incorrect generalisation.
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well its just the same as people generalising stalkers saying all we do is run away which is broadcast all the time in pvp. this was my whole point in the 1st place, its ok for people to label stalkers as being cowards and having a go at our tactics apparantly but no other at's retreat do they???
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I think the main point TG was trying to make is that Stalkers are primarily designed to be "runners" or more specifically "hit&run(ners)", with a pick up & play feel to them. Similar to how blasters are primarlily built for ranged combat, BUT, some do get into melee a lot. Whether a stalker SHOULD be able to scrap it out and win is down to opinion (although its the opinion of the devs that matter most 
) It seems unfair to have a build that can do both equally as well.
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Stalker
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how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute?
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well its just the same as people generalising stalkers saying all we do is run away which is broadcast all the time in pvp. this was my whole point in the 1st place, its ok for people to label stalkers as being cowards and having a go at our tactics apparantly but no other at's retreat do they???
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Blasters, defenders, corruptors run away less than stalkers do.
How do ya like that for a sweeping generalisation!
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CRUELY TAKEN FROM THIS WORLD WHILE SO YOUNG
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ok you are entitled to your own opinion tainted however please do not tar me with the same brush as other stalkers you have fought in the past, i don't go around complaining about all Tanks just because an ice one has smashed me to bits b4 and since i have played this stalker from when cov came out i am certainly not a beginner. i have fought all other at's 1 vs 1 on many occasions
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Ok let me explain some things no matter how you are gonna take them. First of all you started the thread complaining about how people complain about stalkers, which is obviously a dead subject cause it has been discussed from day one in PvP zones. Second of all the whole beginner thing to me looks like you not see the whole thing from any other point of view except the stalkers side of view. Furthermore the whole blaster corruptor standing ground against brutes is a bit weak dont you think?Although most blasters will tear your brute to shreds and believing otherwise is a bit begginerish since the amount of toggledropping you are gonna suffer exceeds your imagination and you know that once toggledropping commences the spanking begins with the nice hold and damage combos the blaster producers.
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I have been in pvp on a few occasions with my ss/ea brute and have no worry about jumping into the middle of a crowd because i play to my toons strengths. how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute? they fly high or maintain a distance so they can use their ranged attacks which is playing to their strengths.
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I can name you a bunch of people but i will tell you this.All self respecting pvp blasters will shred your brute to pieces from melee.Energy secondary from blasters relies on toggle dropping which is performed melee.Furthermore the blappers will all fight you melee and if you dont believe me i can always get the pvp blaster population on here and post the exact time it takes to shred a brute to pieces in 1vs1.
If imaginary reads this or plight trawler they can post since they are some of the best pvp blasters out there
As for the brush i didnt tar you with anything is actually what you say that makes things kinda obvious.
To boty: Impale is included in the common attack combos You are just more build towards impaling from range melee negating toons Thats the maximum of originality u can get from the stalker set. The rest are the same old story called Assasin Strike.
To be clear i will repeat.Stalkers are fun.In hands of good player they can be deadly bullets causing enormous pain.Inside good teams they remove targets surgically.
But they still remain the beginners PvP AT.Where all new players will learn and will actually get introduced to PvP.Thanks to everyone posting above and clarifying what i said you are all spot on.
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Dont stalkers get quite a lot of mez protection? Not disagreeing with you, just that I hear a few stalkers boasting a lot about how holding them is a waste of time. Plus I dont know of any way a controller can get stacked perception without multiple tactics.
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The only stalker with non problematic mez protection is the ninjitsu set and the SR set in terms of toggle dropping.
Stack a hold on a stalker and use toggledrop and u ll see what insta held means.Furthermore the good old combo fear+hold+toggledrop works wonders to fleeing stalkers.Any stalker boasting about mez protection well they havent played against well organised pvp teams. As far as i am concerned the only set that has some bragging rights to this is the ninjitsu set that resists fear techniques and it takes 4-5 stacked holds to actually break the mez protection.The rest are easy to hold in well organised teams.
In teams using targetters and furthermore advanced targetters with assist command stalkers go through nightmare with focused holds on them that result to insta holding.
By the way advanced targeter can be played only by /dev blasters.
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Although most blasters will tear your brute to shreds and believing otherwise is a bit begginerish since the amount of toggledropping you are gonna suffer exceeds your imagination and you know that once toggledropping commences the spanking begins with the nice hold and damage combos the blaster producers.
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I can name you a bunch of people but i will tell you this.All self respecting pvp blasters will shred your brute to pieces from melee.Energy secondary from blasters relies on toggle dropping which is performed melee.Furthermore the blappers will all fight you melee and if you dont believe me i can always get the pvp blaster population on here and post the exact time it takes to shred a brute to pieces in 1vs1.
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is this specifically aimed at one person or general comments to all brutes?
As TG says blasters are a nightmare for brutes to the extent where I deleted my lvl 33 inv brute because he was owned so often it got depressing and no it wasnt down to a gimp build 
(different story on my granite though) A half decent /EM blaster can lay the smackdown on virtually all brutes.
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Dont stalkers get quite a lot of mez protection? Not disagreeing with you, just that I hear a few stalkers boasting a lot about how holding them is a waste of time. Plus I dont know of any way a controller can get stacked perception without multiple tactics.
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The only stalker with non problematic mez protection is the ninjitsu set and the SR set in terms of toggle dropping.
Stack a hold on a stalker and use toggledrop and u ll see what insta held means.Furthermore the good old combo fear+hold+toggledrop works wonders to fleeing stalkers.Any stalker boasting about mez protection well they havent played against well organised pvp teams. As far as i am concerned the only set that has some bragging rights to this is the ninjitsu set that resists fear techniques and it takes 4-5 stacked holds to actually break the mez protection.The rest are easy to hold in well organised teams.
In teams using targetters and furthermore advanced targetters with assist command stalkers go through nightmare with focused holds on them that result to insta holding.
By the way advanced targeter can be played only by /dev blasters.
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I hadnt thought of this strategy, need to try it on my own /dev blaster next time i get the chance
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A good Stalker is one that can kill you regardless of the precautions that you've taken. A good Stalker is one that has built his own toon to counteract the counteractions you have in place
And lastly a good stalker is one that the people he is killing can have a laugh with... It's all in the name of fun man
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Couldnt agree more too bad that these are rare today Zep.You gimpy and boty rarely come out these days in sirens or any pvp zone.
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well its just the same as people generalising stalkers saying all we do is run away which is broadcast all the time in pvp. this was my whole point in the 1st place, its ok for people to label stalkers as being cowards and having a go at our tactics apparantly but no other at's retreat do they???
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I am sorry but retreating is not bad.Have you seen any other AT attacking giving you 2 hits then running away as a tactic?Not that is not valid tactic.This is how stalkers were designed.But dont try convince that stalkers dont do that.Its a sneaky tactic that ensures a kill and thats one of the reasons stalker is beginner AT in pvp.Easy kills dont make you a good player. Imho there is nothing wrong with stalkers and not even the AS shouldnt be nerfed cause thats their only weapon. Its stalkers that broadcast "1 0wnz j00" after each AS that think they are good pvpers that annoys me.The other day a stalker in sirens insisted on me checking his pvp reputation which was 400 and that he is a good player when that player actually left the zone when we formed a proper pvp team. 15 villains vs 4 heros and boty calls for help and i go in sirens to find fleeing villains from the zone cause we got a team in there.
Try play a controller and rack 400 pvp rep or try play a tanker and rack up 400 pvp rep.Or a dominator or an MM.Now that requires skill. And good teams and coordination and double the effort rather than mashing the AS button on lonely preys till you see the counter hit 400.
The good players that play a pvp stalker know all this and certainly i am sure they dont go throwing abuse over broadcast for every kill they perform and certainly dont come here crying about the way people call stalkers a running away AT cause they realise a stalker was build for that.To hit and run.And they are damn good at it.
If you know all this that stalkers are indeed hit and run and just because you kill people they get irritated which is natural why start ranting on here?Just kick back relax and make a small smile as u watch them die.Thats far better answer.
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Dont stalkers get quite a lot of mez protection? Not disagreeing with you, just that I hear a few stalkers boasting a lot about how holding them is a waste of time. Plus I dont know of any way a controller can get stacked perception without multiple tactics.
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The only stalker with non problematic mez protection is the ninjitsu set and the SR set in terms of toggle dropping.
Stack a hold on a stalker and use toggledrop and u ll see what insta held means.Furthermore the good old combo fear+hold+toggledrop works wonders to fleeing stalkers.Any stalker boasting about mez protection well they havent played against well organised pvp teams. As far as i am concerned the only set that has some bragging rights to this is the ninjitsu set that resists fear techniques and it takes 4-5 stacked holds to actually break the mez protection.The rest are easy to hold in well organised teams.
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I think the EA entropy sheild is as good as any of the anti-mez toggles and can be broken with 3 decent holds, i should imagine that the others are the same. That said I am very rarely held regardless of well organised teams (run away ftw )
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This is a general truth to all toggle relying AT's. A brute is a blasters paradise for toggle dropping and for storm controllers.With a stormie i can toggle drop you in 2 or maybe one go all your toggles with 2 clouds up and clap.But i dont have the damage to perform the kill.A blaster packs all the damage necessary to perform the kill plus to toggle drop you and hold you easily.Thats why toggle dropping is an issue right now at pvp and will be toned down.Because the brutes at 1vs1 with a blaster are wiped.Feel free to ask imaginary about it or any good pvp blaster out there.You got toggles they are gonna drop and then is like sitting naked in the cornfield.
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This is a general truth to all toggle relying AT's. A brute is a blasters paradise for toggle dropping and for storm controllers.With a stormie i can toggle drop you in 2 or maybe one go all your toggles with 2 clouds up and clap.But i dont have the damage to perform the kill.A blaster packs all the damage necessary to perform the kill plus to toggle drop you and hold you easily.Thats why toggle dropping is an issue right now at pvp and will be toned down.Because the brutes at 1vs1 with a blaster are wiped.Feel free to ask imaginary about it or any good pvp blaster out there.You got toggles they are gonna drop and then is like sitting naked in the cornfield.
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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I think the EA entropy sheild is as good as any of the anti-mez toggles and can be broken with 3 decent holds, i should imagine that the others are the same. That said I am very rarely held regardless of well organised teams (run away ftw )
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The difference with your tactic boty is that you follow a clear impaling route rather than AS. So this means that you perform impales and run giving slight chance for toggle dropping you since you got range already.Majority of stalkers though comes melee and once AS hits or they are spotted 1 hold and toggledrop is enough to hold them in place. The only chance there is for you to be held is if there is a fear effect on you and then coordianted hold spiking on you and this is how we get you down due to the nature of impaling tactic.
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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This is a general truth to all toggle relying AT's. A brute is a blasters paradise for toggle dropping and for storm controllers.With a stormie i can toggle drop you in 2 or maybe one go all your toggles with 2 clouds up and clap.But i dont have the damage to perform the kill.A blaster packs all the damage necessary to perform the kill plus to toggle drop you and hold you easily.Thats why toggle dropping is an issue right now at pvp and will be toned down.Because the brutes at 1vs1 with a blaster are wiped.Feel free to ask imaginary about it or any good pvp blaster out there.You got toggles they are gonna drop and then is like sitting naked in the cornfield.
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think ur not giving any credit to the brute at all, sure my tanks toggles are dropped against blappers but am i really gonna stand there and say please kill me? as soon as they attac me a bf is popped b4 they even strike a blow, quickly followed by fiery embrace, build up, energy transfer and total focus=dead blaster(this is assuming 1v1s which was the impression i got from your post)
my point is that toggle ATs aren't all stupid pvp noobs who are useless without toggles
well tainted if you are done ranting at me i would like to point out a couple of things.
1. i was not complaining i just wanted peoples opinions as to why all stalkers get is abuse via broadcast.
2. i never shout over broadcast "haha i have just as'd u" or any gloating comments.
3. Most of the time i congratulate my oponants on a good scrap which i love to have.
4. Fair enough there are a few stalkers who act stupid but that can be said for all other at's, it depends on the players not the at's.
5. A stalker is a very good pvp a't to have, as you can probably tell by the amount of us there are in there, and most of my teams have contained lvl 40 toons so you cant call us beginners
this thread was not about brutes in pvp, it was about good players getting abuse via broadcast in sirens just because we are stalkers, this is what is known as prejudging someone.
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this thread was not about brutes in pvp, it was about good players getting abuse via broadcast in sirens just because we are stalkers, this is what is known as prejudging someone.
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sorry dude, couldnt be bothered to read over 100 posts on complaining in pvp my bad i guess
lol well i only wanted peoples opinions in general and it has turned into a massive topic, oh well obviously people have strong feelings on the matter which is sound!
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1. i was not complaining i just wanted peoples opinions as to why all stalkers get is abuse via broadcast.
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Because a)its usually the stalkers that provoke the abuse with moronic comments b)the person doesnt like dying and gets abusive in which case ignore is your friend
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2. i never shout over broadcast "haha i have just as'd u" or any gloating comments.
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Maybe but a big majority of stalkers does cause they got the "Stalker is a god" PvP syndrome
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4. Fair enough there are a few stalkers who act stupid but that can be said for all other at's, it depends on the players not the at's.
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Like i explained stalker is the only AT that gives you this enormous impression of power and ownage.That explains why the majority of abuse on villains side comes from stalkers.Cause they feel untouchable with AS and hide.
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5. A stalker is a very good pvp a't to have, as you can probably tell by the amount of us there are in there, and most of my teams have contained lvl 40 toons so you cant call us beginners
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The amount of stalkers out there explains that its a beginners AT.Its the best solo PVP AT to have for racking up kills and learning.Furthermore dont tell me about levels and relation to skill because we all know how a vast majority of stalkers levels out there.Is called papering 24/7. Fastest way to get a stalker to 30 in a few days. So level 40 doesnt prove any skill.Even trying to indicate that the level is a skill indication is a bit of a joke.I can point you a fair bunch of level 50 heros that play like level 1's in the pvp zone. The difference is a stalker from level 6 and on is easier to play because he relies on a specific inherent power to perform and is really REALLY easy to play.Now dont tell me a stalker is difficult to play cause i play 2 stalkers and yeah well its no rocket science to hit AS every time you are near someone. Limited paths of tactics and limited creativity when it comes to stalkers for pvp is what you have.Feel free to argue that but its a big truth.Purpose of a stalker is always the same.Follow, AS run away. PvP to its most simplified form.
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True but i preffer an experienced pvp blaster over an experienced pvp brute any day simply cause a>b
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lol well i only wanted peoples opinions in general and it has turned into a massive topic, oh well obviously people have strong feelings on the matter which is sound!
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Dont get me wrong i dont have a gripe against you i have a gripe with the whole stalker issue.I like stalkers as they are i dont want them nerfed in anyway simply cause i never had issues with them even when i die from stalkers. But trying to tell me that stalkers are the victims here is a bit too much for me after the epxerience i had with them which is since day 1 stalkers wealked in pvp zones.I have followed stalkers from Bloody Bay when they were level 15 to Sirens and Warburg.For many many hours of gameplay.Very few stalkers have made impression to me so far. I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh and a lot of effort no matter if heroes died or villains died. With excellent gaming sessions and good laughs.
well tell you what mate we will agree to disagree on this one, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i know for a fact i am a good player and have my whole sg to vouch for me.
im sure if we had a scrap in pvp we would have a laugh cos ya know the game is about fun at the end of the day. People moaning at stalkers every 5 mins via broadcast doesnt make it fun.
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how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute? they fly high or maintain a distance so they can use their ranged attacks which is playing to their strengths.
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Seconded lol. Ive been doing it already but I usually get ASed in the back while at it hehe - I don't mind