Too bad that I and TG play on defiant 
We could arrange a meet at test server though..
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well tell you what mate we will agree to disagree on this one,
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
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Indeed but also everyone is allowed to provide valid arguements to support what they are saying to make it even more valid in a debate which i have.
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but dont assume i am a newbie because i play a stalker in pvp,
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I never said that.There are other ways to fgure out if someone is newbie to PvP.
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i also happen to pvp with my brute alot and have a great laugh.
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So??i dont doubt you do did i say you dont?
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and dont say the majority of stalkers hve a god complex.
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Very godlike statement are you playing a stalker by any chance?
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Read my posts again cause obviously you didnt understand what i say and of course dont tell me what to say just provide me with valid arguements to change my mind cause so far i see none.
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do you play on defiant by any chance or union?? you cant say you have met every stalker in pvp can you
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Same i can say for you.Just because you teamed with a bunch of 40's dont think you have seen everyone out there.Oh and take a look around the USA boards and see the stalkers discussions.It will enlighten you a lot. and dont tell me i dont know all the USA stalkers.
Oh and i play on Defiant.
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable. And that cannot be broken even with end draining. (though they will propably automatically lose after a while but its still fun to be adamant for those 3 minutes 
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Lol i hate unstopabble....:/ is really annoying power
If it is to go on test server just tell me to set it up cause i am from a format and need to reset it.
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well tell you what mate we will agree to disagree on this one, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i know for a fact i am a good player and have my whole sg to vouch for me.
im sure if we had a scrap in pvp we would have a laugh cos ya know the game is about fun at the end of the day. People moaning at stalkers every 5 mins via broadcast doesnt make it fun.
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You Vs TG wouldnt be a great deal of fun in your current sets at least not if you like to win 
his toons are quite......annoying to say the least, the only reason my self gimped stalker exists was due to his troller humiliating me in BB
still.... I always ahve the memory of one shotting him through hurricane on a inspiration fueled rampage
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my point is that toggle ATs aren't all stupid pvp noobs who are useless without toggles
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True but i preffer an experienced pvp blaster over an experienced pvp brute any day simply cause a>b
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that wud depend entirely on the sets...
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable. And that cannot be broken even with end draining. (though they will propably automatically lose after a while but its still fun to be adamant for those 3 minutes )
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or someone who can kill the blaster faster than the blaster can kill them...
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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why are ppl afraid to fight with toggles down?
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well tainted if you are done ranting at me i would like to point out a couple of things.
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I think the point we were trying to get you understand was that TG was not ranting about you personally.
PS. TGs troller fights are like Japanese water torture lol
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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why are ppl afraid to fight with toggles down?
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I dunno prolly they feel naked and also vulnurable.Depends of course what toggles you lose and who you fight.
People are always gonna whinge when they lose.
If they're rubbish try another AT/build/powerset etc
Or a new game plan would be that if Stalkers are 'nerfed' and shouldn't AS, then surely, Controllers can't control, tanks shouldn't tank and mm's not to use minions and so on?
These are the powersets people, deal with it. I do and occasionally i lose, but you won't see me crying on my way back from hospital coz a stalker used it's built-in powers on me.
Lighten up, its a game. 
"Like War_Hero said, leave it as it is, it toughens up the softies." - Naz Nomad
Union Heroes
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I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh.
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Is hidden in side there a compliment TG?
Hmm. Its a hard issue and one that I get very cross over sometimes.
Today for instance I had a Defender as my Bounty target. This sounds simple but this defender was running some aoe powers. Meaning my stealth would be broken if I got within 10 metres.
So I followed the said defender, from roof tops. Defender stops for some buffs or something. So I thought right this must be my chance, and went in from above to hit with BS hopefully detoggling. As murphys law would imply it didnt work out that way. But I had attacked from the back so I was not seen.
After 8 minutes more of stalking, defender stops. I again repeat the cycle. Landing a hit and a stun thus detoggling. I now have the placate problem. It will de-stun her and I suspect she wont stand around waiting for AS. Naturally I placate, she throws up as many AoE's as is humanly (super Humanly?) possible. I think a few missed by luck, leaving my AS to land. As one would expect she fell. Now I have to get away, i am in the middle of sirens call were do I turn?
Anyways the defender then complains that no skill was involved and that the kill was completely simple.
I cry...
*Sigh* some people just wont see..
On another note, I disagree with TG here.
I do not find my stalker amazingly easy to level up in PvE. Ok, I do need to work on slotting/enhancing etc. Maybe this will change things.
But Heist's/Kidnaps/Kill Alls. Take me.. YEARS!
But over all I love my stalker and PvP. The people you meet and the friends you make through it far out way its bad points.
K
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Is hidden in side there a compliment TG?
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Well obviously. Just a few names that spring in my head for good fun and nice feeling in the zone when they play their stalkers
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I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh and a lot of effort no matter if heroes died or villains died. With excellent gaming sessions and good laughs.
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Remember when gimpman was sneaking in and killing us in our own gank box of death lol
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I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh and a lot of effort no matter if heroes died or villains died. With excellent gaming sessions and good laughs.
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Remember when gimpman was sneaking in and killing us in our own gank box of death lol
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*remmebers gankbox* *reads test server patch notes for hurricane* *hugs pillow and cries*.....
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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why are ppl afraid to fight with toggles down?
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Because you faceplant even faster than you do with the toggles up and running?
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Landing a hit and a stun thus detoggling. I now have the placate problem. It will de-stun her and I suspect she wont stand around waiting for AS.
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Huh? placate cancels stun? I didnt know that. That'd be the first power able to do so..
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The amount of stalkers out there explains that its a beginners AT.Its the best solo PVP AT to have for racking up kills and learning.Furthermore dont tell me about levels and relation to skill because we all know how a vast majority of stalkers levels out there.Is called papering 24/7. Fastest way to get a stalker to 30 in a few days. So level 40 doesnt prove any skill.Even trying to indicate that the level is a skill indication is a bit of a joke.I can point you a fair bunch of level 50 heros that play like level 1's in the pvp zone. The difference is a stalker from level 6 and on is easier to play because he relies on a specific inherent power to perform and is really REALLY easy to play.Now dont tell me a stalker is difficult to play cause i play 2 stalkers and yeah well its no rocket science to hit AS every time you are near someone. Limited paths of tactics and limited creativity when it comes to stalkers for pvp is what you have.Feel free to argue that but its a big truth.Purpose of a stalker is always the same.Follow, AS run away. PvP to its most simplified form.
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Surely playing all ATs well is about learning what powers are most useful and how to use them? Doing paper mishs goes quite a bit towards learning how to hit and run which is all stalkers need to do, at least in 1v1 and also to some extent in teams.
True stalkers dont have that many other ways to fight and it could be argued that it takes far more skill to play a troller, dom or MM well but then that goes for other ATs like scrappers, which lets face it take hardly any more skill to play then stalkers.
Problem ppl have with stalkers isnt that they take less skill to play but that they can one shoot you IMO.
Gorgog
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Landing a hit and a stun thus detoggling. I now have the placate problem. It will de-stun her and I suspect she wont stand around waiting for AS.
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Huh? placate cancels stun? I didnt know that. That'd be the first power able to do so..
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Thats probably a bug and should be reported, fear also inadvertantly gives a player disorient resistance. I have been told via petition that this is a known bug
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable.
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Or a regen blaster running IH, or a PB running lightform or... and the list probably goes on.
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable.
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Or a regen blaster running IH, or a PB running lightform or... and the list probably goes on.
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You taking the happy pills innigo?
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable.
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Or a regen blaster running IH, or a PB running lightform or... and the list probably goes on.
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You taking the happy pills innigo?
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Lol that made me laugh..
yeah is the same a gravity brute running force of nature... lol
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Surely playing all ATs well is about learning what powers are most useful and how to use them? Doing paper mishs goes quite a bit towards learning how to hit and run which is all stalkers need to do, at least in 1v1 and also to some extent in teams.
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This is true. The paper mission way to levelling a stalker is considered now a trend amongst stalkers in usa and here as well and therefore most stalkers out there get very limited chance to learn function in teams and how to cooperate with villain AT buffs and debuffs.I seen stalkers attacking other targets rather than the ones being debuffed because they not know the function of debuffs.
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True stalkers dont have that many other ways to fight and it could be argued that it takes far more skill to play a troller, dom or MM well but then that goes for other ATs like scrappers, which lets face it take hardly any more skill to play then stalkers.
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You cannot compare the amount of effort a controller/dominator blaster/corrupter requires to a stalker.Is totally different in terms of creativity space and roles within teams and pvp zones.Scrappers differ vastly to stalkers although they share a lot of common powers. The way a scrapper can be played in team with taunting roles or baiting the tankers or the opposite team debuffers is really far from the way a stalker is played. A stalker is basically a surgical tool. Acquire target and remove then run away and try survive.No taunt,no stand ground and gather attention. With the level 38 powers in play this might change a bit but this power last a bit and not changes drastically the stalker playstyle.
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Problem ppl have with stalkers isnt that they take less skill to play but that they can one shoot you IMO.
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One shoting is not a problem.I been saying since beta i dont want stalkers loosing the one shot advantage cause thats what they are best at.Take this away and is like throwing the AT to garbage.Problem is a increasing amount of stalkers thinking they are "awsome" because they play a stalker good,when it actually takes minimum skill to do so. Funny thing is they havent played any other AT yet they know everything.Thats the most irritating and there is an increasing amount of this type in pvp zones.
The more I encounter stalkers the more I value their presence in pve and pvp, though from my perspective they are just a formalisation of what a lot people tried to do with other builds anyway.
The problems with complaning in pvp(in general) is that its all swings and roundabouts, with one side getting angry over something that the other does despite the fact that they are doing the same!
Take last night, I dragged Spurr back into Sirens again fully expecting to be fodder for anything with holds/immobs/massive damage/a pulse.
And I was :P
Yet apparently I was a "Ganker" 
That came close to making me angry(after I stopped laughing anyway)..Allmost made me want to make a proper PvP char and go "old school" on the fools.
Sure the Hero team/teams that were in were quite active, but so were the villains..
I was quite often hit by two or three stalkers at once, and from what else I saw the villains did seem to work well together ( That Sonic/Dark Corrupter seemed to be putting upa a good fight, and he should be proud that it was taking groups of heroes to challange him).
Hmm come to think of it, perhaps I should vomit out a pvp bot..
DG>
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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite
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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable. And that cannot be broken even with end draining. (though they will propably automatically lose after a while but its still fun to be adamant for those 3 minutes