Stalker VS Tanker, any tips?


Acenra

 

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My tanker is getting his behind booted around Bloody Bay when the Stalkers show up and help the other archetypes. My Blazing aura shows me when they're near but that doesn't help the fact that they're killing me! any suggestions?


 

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not specific to tankers but - get to lvl 22 then buy Single Origin enhancements these will make a huge difference to your survivability.
Also the additional slots will help.

Also take a look at the stalker levels - I'm guessing they are likely to be higher than you think.


 

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I have the same trouble with my Tank in Bloody Bay too. I think Aggravator may be right about the Stalkers levels as well. The ones i have encountered have been a lot tougher than i was expecting.


If i understand it right, lower levels are brought up to a temporary level 25, and higher levels are brought down to 25. However, i'm guessing that they still have the advantage of the additional powers/ slots they have gained from reaching their higher levels...!


 

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Slots they have, but powers they lose.


 

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If your getting outnumbered try finding some people to team with.
I looked at your powersets, maybe the "consume" and "combustion" powers would help if you have them. Also, i THINK the "intimiadate" and "invoke panic" powers might help you hold stalkers in place once they AS and become visible. Again, I cant be certain, maybe someone with these powers can clear it up. I dont mind helping you test on my stalker.


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I have the same trouble with my Tank in Bloody Bay too. I think Aggravator may be right about the Stalkers levels as well. The ones i have encountered have been a lot tougher than i was expecting.

If i understand it right, lower levels are brought up to a temporary level 25, and higher levels are brought down to 25. However, i'm guessing that they still have the advantage of the additional powers/ slots they have gained from reaching their higher levels...!

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Yes, higher lvls auto-exemped down to 25 continue to benefits for the fully functional enhancements slots...
My lvl 50 tanker with all SO lvl 52-53 cannot be killed by stalkers (last time in Siren's a lvl 39, exemped at 30, stalker tried many times to surprise me, but his assassin strike gave me less that 50% damage).
At least, until there will be lvl 40-50 in cov... and i hope at that time stalkers will be nerfed

So the only tip is: go levelling fast!


 

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You loose. A tank has just about no chance against a stalker.

AS is a critical hit. Critical hits arent resisted which basicly means, you have no defence against his attacks.

Ways for a tank to kill a stalker.
Energy punch, Total Focus, bonesmasher and build up. That would kill a stalker, but thats limited to Warburg and energy melee.
In bloody bay... no chance. You dont have any high damage attacks.


A Paragon Defender

 

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Would Ice patch not do it for a /Ice tanker.

They can't AS you if they're falling on their [censored].


 

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Nightbringers right, I am pretty much done for.

the only thing I can do is keep blazing aura on, when a Stalker gets in Melee range, it will keep saying miss, then I can run for it.

thanks for all the help guys, I seriously appreciate it. keep giving tips if you have them


 

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You loose. A tank has just about no chance against a stalker.

AS is a critical hit. Critical hits arent resisted which basicly means, you have no defence against his attacks.

Ways for a tank to kill a stalker.
Energy punch, Total Focus, bonesmasher and build up. That would kill a stalker, but thats limited to Warburg and energy melee.
In bloody bay... no chance. You dont have any high damage attacks.

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You loose, m8 not me. I didn't said that i can kill a stalker, i just said that a stalker can't kill me with AS. As i said, this is a direct experience, not a speculation.
If you don't believe me, it's your problem, not mine.


 

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My Blazing aura shows me when they're near but that doesn't help the fact that they're killing me! any suggestions?

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If you have an (pb)aoe or cone effect that a stalker comes into contact with, you should imo be able to detect the stalker straight away and immediately target and do damage. However i am finding this isnt the case, i believe i have had no targetting ability of the stalker until the stalkers second attack or third attack. Imo this is wrong. If you get up close to envoy of shadows stealthed to invisible level his aura will detect you through the damage you recieve, this is because recieving damage suppresses stealth mode and blam your dead.


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to help out i'll give you a low down on the attacks and defence i got
blazing aura-2 slots
fire shield-3 slots
plasma shield-2 slots
temp protect- 3slots
scorch- 3slots
fire sword-3 slots
burn - 1 slot
hover-2 slots
fly - 2 slots
healing flames - 3 slots
consume - 3slots

does that help?


 

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imo if the healthbar drops on a stalker because of autohitting or accurate enough (pb)aoes, cones or proximity sensing powers like tripmines that dont need you to target the stalker should be immediately seen and targettable, the only thing that remains to be done is get the stalker locked on, locked down and killed.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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You loose. A tank has just about no chance against a stalker.

AS is a critical hit. Critical hits arent resisted which basicly means, you have no defence against his attacks.

Ways for a tank to kill a stalker.
Energy punch, Total Focus, bonesmasher and build up. That would kill a stalker, but thats limited to Warburg and energy melee.
In bloody bay... no chance. You dont have any high damage attacks.

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You loose, m8 not me. I didn't said that i can kill a stalker, i just said that a stalker can't kill me with AS. As i said, this is a direct experience, not a speculation.
If you don't believe me, it's your problem, not mine.

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Well a stalker has more tricks than just AS, belive me the tank goes down if the stalker wishes. Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.


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The real problem isnt that stalkers are overpowered, but that tankers are underpowered in PvP.
A regular Paragon Defender team (5-6 players) can take down a stonetank in granite in less than 10 secs. Stonetanks are the hardest thing in the game, and they can be killed extremely fast.

The game offers so many posibilities to buff damage, or workaraounds to land damage, that tanks are pretty [censored].

The real thing tanks have going for them is taunt, but the duration of taunt is only minimal at best and taunt only works 50% of the time.
The devs should IMO give taunt longer duration in PvP.


A Paragon Defender

 

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Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.

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PVP is just an insps game? oh hell now im bored.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.

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PVP is just an insps game? oh hell now im bored.

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well, you could team with an empath and 2 blasters. CM'd the blasters and have them snipe the stalker before he can do anything....
ok, ok, ok The stalker uses 10 purples and 10 reds. Well IMO he deserves a kill.


A Paragon Defender

 

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So the only tip is: go levelling fast!

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Well, yep, I think thats one of the best solutions!

the other annoying thing ( not a whinge... more an observation!) is standing in the water in Bloody Bay, seeing the ripples as the stalker approaches, practically seeing him standing in front of you, but not being able to target him! Think it's probably a weakness in my Tankers build, no AoE attacks. Dont get me wrong though... for all my little quibbles, i still love playing PvP!

p.s. - Got CoV for Xmas, so will see how the other shoe fits!


 

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PVP is just an insps game? oh hell now im bored.

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Quoted for truth.


 

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Well a stalker has more tricks than just AS, belive me the tank goes down if the stalker wishes. Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.

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Thats what the stalker thought when he tried it against my tanker. Then he missed.. I was laughing so hard I almost forgot to kick his backside.


 

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Well a stalker has more tricks than just AS, belive me the tank goes down if the stalker wishes. Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.

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Only got around to taking Faulty into Sirens today. Didn't bother before as he only has brawl and stone fist to attack with at that level. Anyway, had two stalkers having a go at me and I just let them. After several minutes and my hp bar only reaching 1/2 once (when I just hit Earths Embrace and healed) they both gave up and left me to go and find something easier.

As for one shotting a tank in GA, whouldn't that mean they would have to hit for about 16,000 points of damage? Probably 22,000 if running EE.


 

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p.s. - Got CoV for Xmas, so will see how the other shoe fits!

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Building your own stalker is the best way i've found to come up with a counter strategy. I highly recommend it to anyone who has cov and the patience/time to get to lvl 15 or more.


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Well a stalker has more tricks than just AS, belive me the tank goes down if the stalker wishes. Hell if a stalker puffs 10 reds(cant be bothered to find the cap. but Im sure 10 will take you there) and build up he can 1 hit kill a stone tank in granite.

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Only got around to taking Faulty into Sirens today. Didn't bother before as he only has brawl and stone fist to attack with at that level. Anyway, had two stalkers having a go at me and I just let them. After several minutes and my hp bar only reaching 1/2 once (when I just hit Earths Embrace and healed) they both gave up and left me to go and find something easier.

As for one shotting a tank in GA, whouldn't that mean they would have to hit for about 16,000 points of damage? Probably 22,000 if running EE.

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Hmm... No. He needs to do 1630,41 points of damage (lvl38, Warburg) (if the tank doesnt have accolades or EE). AS is a critical hit and critical hits are unresisted in PvP.


A Paragon Defender

 

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Ah, learn something new everyday. I don't PvP much (mainly with my PB when I do)

So wonder why they couldn't kill me then? Guess I'll have to go back and have some more fun to try and find out.


 

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I was clamly minding my own business in Sirens the other day, badge hunting with Seri, when i paused to go get a brew and a smoke. I returned to find myself at half health with a stalker beating away at me...
Cue Healing flames, Rage, KO Blow, few more hits=dead stalker.

Stalkers really shouldn't pick on tanks. So yes, just level up a bit, slot up with SO's and you'll be fine.