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I demand that every one only uses sprint to travel around the PvP zones they should have no toggels running and the only attack they are allowed to use on me is brawl every 20 secs. I feel that this will make things fiar for my controller in the pvp zone I might be able to kill some one with help then but dont expect it to be quick. 
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I demand that when I'm in a PvP zone with my empath, everyone line up and form an orderly queue, drop their toggs and let me use my 2 attacks to slowly kill them. I'm slotted with end drain so the killing is gona take a tad longer that what you are use to. Also, if your a regen, I'm afraid that you cannot possibly be in the queue as it will take me days or possibly weeks with auto, therefore you must find yourself the nearest enemy turret and throw yourself upon it for my own pleasure.
The reason this thread isn't helpful is because we've already got an ongoing thread covering the same ground (350+ posts).
Here
We've just repeated what was said in that thread. So in a way I agree this is a waste of a thread.
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Ok have read through the replies and as expected most are just plain unhelpful not all tho and others just a waste of a read as they clearly dont help ppl problem solve the situation they r in and are more interested in self promoting the stalkers public relations. So i have done some research and found a list of controller powers that can help some alts and their are 2 powers i personally can use on my alt 
CONTOLER---CLEAR MIND (if u are teaming use this on your allies,this power + goggles will help a lot with stalkers),PERSONAL FORCE FIELD (if u are not attaking this is your best friend),REPULSION FIELD,FORCE BUBBLE,REPEL,CHOKING CLOUD,CLARITY (+Perseption Power),HURRICANE,QUICKSAND,EARTHQUAKE,HOT FEET,SINGULARITY (Try to stay close to your pet),ARTIC AIR,ICE SLICK,SPECTRAL TERROR(Same as SINGULARITY),SONIC REPULSION (put it on a team mate,blaster/defender/controler,and stay close to him)
So it looks like I am able to start building a strategy that includes some form of pvp action other than running around the zone like a loony popping acc pills like there was no tororrow just simple to survive let alone actually hit anything.Hope some other readers find this small list helpful.
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Well done!
Got your own thread, got your own help, now go and test it all and go post a guide for us! 
In the mean time....
NERF BLASTERS!!!
UBER UP DEFENDER DAMAGE!!!
BAN CONTROLLERS!!! (I'm not playing one)
MAKE DOMINATOR HOLDS EQUAL CONTROLLERS (I am playing one)
This isn't directed at you Zeus, I'm just following the thread.
I was everyone would stop whinging on about Stalkers. They are not over-powered, they are over-specialised. They do one one thing well. Deliver an Assasins Strike. Without that the AT is nothing.
Stalkers and MM's are the only original things to come out of CoV and should be applauded for adding to the games content.
If you want all of the AT's to be the same you really should be playing "The Sims".
PS. And no I am not a Stalker or MM apologist - I don't play either because although they're new I find MM's boring and Stalkers, as I said over-specialised.
/em smirks to original poster
Told ya so. I just passed a comment that the issues that you faced are not sufficient enough to explain WHY you feel Stalkers are overpowered. A vast majority, including people who dont play as a Stalker, agree - You seemed to have got what was coming to you, and appear somewhat hypocritical by using stealth to snipe and kill in one shot.
If you just wanted tactics against Stalkers, you should've just asked instead of crying about something which, frankly, seems fair to all and sundry.
The best thing you can do is get some sort of dmaging aura, like fire - AS doesnt work if you take damage while waiting for the strike to action. Further, if you can magage to stun, immobilise, or hold a Stalker, you can easily crush us with a few attacks.
Now please, less of the tears- it's not like you have debt to clear up now.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the stalkers are over specialised thing Animal Mutha.
Sure AS is a big part of the repertoire, but it's not the only part. During the event on Wednesday night I found the lag, sheer number of heroes in a small space and the constant movement of heroes made it difficult to stick to this 'specialism'. My AS was constantly being interrupted, or I found it difficult to time launching the attack appropriately.
However this didn't make me useless. I found that one of my 'normal' attacks with build up and the critical from hide was enough to take a squishy to around half his hitpoints. Placate and repeat and you've a squishy in trouble.
This attack is described as moderate damage. My next attack will have 'massive' damage
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I demand that every one only uses sprint to travel around the PvP zones they should have no toggels running and the only attack they are allowed to use on me is brawl every 20 secs. I feel that this will make things fiar for my controller in the pvp zone I might be able to kill some one with help then but dont expect it to be quick.
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I demand that when I'm in a PvP zone with my empath, everyone line up and form an orderly queue, drop their toggs and let me use my 2 attacks to slowly kill them. I'm slotted with end drain so the killing is gona take a tad longer that what you are use to. Also, if your a regen, I'm afraid that you cannot possibly be in the queue as it will take me days or possibly weeks with auto, therefore you must find yourself the nearest enemy turret and throw yourself upon it for my own pleasure.
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Dam right nerf regens and ice tanks some more. 
Not gonna read the whole thread, but really, it sounds like you were killed by a whole bunch of guys, using one as bait. Quite smart I think!
What do you want, a counter to a whole team? Because when a team decides to kill one person, you'll be lucky if you get away alive. I think it has very little to do with the fact they were all stalkers and more to do with the fact that you faced a team.
If you had a team of your own it would most likely been quite different.
IN MEMORIUM OF GAYBABY
CRUELY TAKEN FROM THIS WORLD WHILE SO YOUNG
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And that is the answer to the OP's comment that there are so many Stalkers about. (Though, honestly, I don't see it.) The reason is that Stalkers are one of the few things in CoV that's new.
There are also a lot of MMs and a lot of Plant Dominators.
I have to say that, when a thread kicks off and, before the end of the first page, both Zephyrus and Rock_Eagle make posts I completely agree with, there must be something wrong with the universe.
Disclaimer: The above may be humerous, or at least may be an attempt at humour. Try reading it that way.
Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.
LOL he thinks Fly is a stupid power.
Especially when talkin' about PvP zones, that's dumb.
World of Jackcraft.
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1º You were alone vs 4 stalkers...
2º You survive 2 AS !!!!
3º A stalker loking afk and not using hide , is a very clear sign of a trap :P
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1: Well, I didn't know that, did I? Thought he had just AS'ed another poor soul.
2: I survived -one-. The second missed, the third killed me and the fourth hit a corpse.
3: Se nr 1
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uhm you are just summing up why its not the AT to blame but maybe the player?
"I didnt know..." so you attack a player not considering whats around? you fell into a trap and then blame stalkers are overpowered. Those others that attacked you could have been other ATs for all that matters.. if it was the stalker bait, then in invis a dom around to hold you, corruptor to debuff you and MM to debuff/make mincemeat out of you, would you complain that doms, corrupters and MMs are overpowered as well?
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Now, I am aware that I'm about to be flamed by about a million ppl. I have seen it in so many posts already, but as there are so many posts about the problem, I'm figuring it really IS a problem.
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If you seen so many posts about it, why make a new thread about it? The "many posts about the problem" are mainly about people who cant take it that they just got beaten in pvp. They just realize they arent the unbeatable player they think they are and cant stand it. Posting alot about a problem doesnt mean it IS a problem. The content of those posts evaluate whether or not it really IS a problem.
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2 words: Illusion Controllers. Making it even worse, you need more powers to protect you from those. With superior invisibilty being invisible to you (*gasp* now you need perception buffs!!! EEEEEEK!) you also need mez protection if you dont want him to hold you and then hand you over your backside on a silver platter. So whats gonna happen now? Illusion controllers need nerfs as well because we shouldnt be allowed to be invisible? Each AT has his ways to fight and each AT has flaws to counter him. For instance, my ice tank is a pretty tough guy in pvp, but as soon as somebody spams -def buffs on me im as good as dead.
Also you talk about not being able to do the same damage back to a stalker as he could do to you.. good idea, now nerf all the other ATs so controllers can match the damage output of the rest! After all, we dont want some people dealing more damage than others do we?
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And the fact that you can't attack them when they are hidden
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Maybe try firing up Aim as well with that buildup? or eat some yellow pills? I know alot of stalkers that arent too happy if there are energy blasters around because they can get planted bout as fast as they can AS(+followup) someone.
You say that alot of these posts are all about whining people and 'n00bs', but sorry to say I regard your post in the same list as the other sour losers. There are ways to counter stalkers.. without their hide (or AS for that matter.. or in your words hide AND AS) they arent that tough. But then again, if they are easy killings, you wouldnt be complaining, would you? It would be balanced then.. I rarely hear heroes complaining bout MMs not putting up much of a fight most of the times.
Now can we please quit with the "OMG! A Stalker just pwned me! ZOMG! h4xx0rz! NERF NERF!!!!11one one elevity-one" posts?
"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"
Total Cat @Stagefright
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Ok have read through the replies and as expected most are just plain unhelpful not all tho and others just a waste of a read as they clearly dont help ppl problem solve the situation they r in and are more interested in self promoting the stalkers public relations. So i have done some research and found a list of controller powers that can help some alts and their are 2 powers i personally can use on my alt
CONTOLER---CLEAR MIND (if u are teaming use this on your allies,this power + goggles will help a lot with stalkers),PERSONAL FORCE FIELD (if u are not attaking this is your best friend),REPULSION FIELD,FORCE BUBBLE,REPEL,CHOKING CLOUD,CLARITY (+Perseption Power),HURRICANE,QUICKSAND,EARTHQUAKE,HOT FEET,SINGULARITY (Try to stay close to your pet),ARTIC AIR,ICE SLICK,SPECTRAL TERROR(Same as SINGULARITY),SONIC REPULSION (put it on a team mate,blaster/defender/controler,and stay close to him)
So it looks like I am able to start building a strategy that includes some form of pvp action other than running around the zone like a loony popping acc pills like there was no tororrow just simple to survive let alone actually hit anything.Hope some other readers find this small list helpful.
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Well done!
Got your own thread, got your own help, now go and test it all and go post a guide for us!
In the mean time....
NERF BLASTERS!!!
UBER UP DEFENDER DAMAGE!!!
BAN CONTROLLERS!!! (I'm not playing one)
MAKE DOMINATOR HOLDS EQUAL CONTROLLERS (I am playing one)
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this wasnt my thread was just trying to be helpful as most poster are failing miserably
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Now, I am aware that I'm about to be flamed by about a million ppl. I have seen it in so many posts already, but as there are so many posts about the problem, I'm figuring it really IS a problem.
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So why start yet ANOTHER thread then? And your not being flamed excactly your having teh error of your view demonstrated repeatedly - though it can and does end in flames another reason NOT to start ANOTHER thread for crying out loud.
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Another thing that proves Stalkers are overpowered in PvP, is that there are so dang many of them.
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Erm no. What is to blame for so many of them is threads like this!
A while ago we had a huge influx of firetanks because folks went onh about them being overpowered, used for PL etc and its happening with Stalkers which isnt fair on those who actually want to play the AT.
I really hope Cryptic burn this bandwagon soon as this is overcooked, overflogged and down right stoopid.
I'm finding it hard not to be more patronising or sarcastic but its beyond a joke. If its that much of a problem for you stay away from stalkers or beware - simple!
Get a grip PPL for goodness sake!!!!!!!!
/e hobbles of to PvP'ers bunker for tea and cream scones
I did think that stalkers were oer powered in pvp for being able to one shot ppl from hidden.
But on the other hand I can do the same to a squishy villan with aim buildup a red insp and sniper blast. The difference being I can do it from 150yrds+ away.
So maybe they should nref blaster snipes?
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I did think that stalkers were oer powered in pvp for being able to one shot ppl from hidden.
But on the other hand I can do the same to a squishy villan with aim buildup a red insp and sniper blast. The difference being I can do it from 150yrds+ away.
So maybe they should nref blaster snipes?
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Thats very true Larac, there ARE toons out there who can flatten almost anything they come across - buildup or aim and snipe do in PvE adn i'm told can in PvP.
But alas their not for the badwagon-burnings just stalkers......*burn the witch*
Like some sensible person said give defenders more damage and summit else a nice boost sod nerfing everything or stalkers oh and a jaggy stick to dunt the next eejit who starts a thread on this.....Grrrrrr
/e lives in hope
I disagree, Lando Carlrissian would totally beat Han Solo in a fist fight.
Yeah, and something about Stalkers to. I suspect Stalkers like cheese. There you go, insight of the day!
I've always played as fire/fire - tank and brute - smushed everything in pve. I got pwned in bloody bay by xanthus when i was a brute - did i start a thread about how controllers with hasten are uber in pvp? - no. All i did was get up and have another go and think of possible ways i could get him. (still havent come up with anythin but i'm slow )
When i play in PvP im acutely aware that what im good for is a certain role - just like in PvE i get the aggro - hopefully long enough for the others in my team to smash em into oblivion. Stalkers are designed for PvP - good for them cos they arent very good in PvE.
I've never created a stalker and never will - i like PvE too much - but im fed up of people moaning about other ATs. When im in BB i cant kill SR scrappers - indeed once when i was in BB stalkers couldnt kill 1 scrapper (slim shaolin) and needed 2 stalkers and 2 brutes to get him. Shall SR scrappers get nerfed again? - no.
PvP is enjoyable and calls for "thinking outside the box" (to utilise buzzword bingo) If you think you can just go in and pwn evryone well think again. I think its balanced well for teams and its a good laugh - i have never won but so what? - its about remembering what happened and learning from it.
Xanthus and plight i'm ready for ya now
I really wouldnt like to see inside your head 
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Pssh... Neither would be able to take on Nien Numb and live to tell the tale.
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Pssh... Neither would be able to take on Nien Numb and live to tell the tale.
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Mon Mothma FTW!
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I got pwned in bloody bay by xanthus when i was a brute - did i start a thread about how controllers with hasten are uber in pvp?
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Look. We've spent months trying to convince Xanthus that he is the [censored], backward, never to advance for love or money, player that he is. And you post this?! Its Christmas. I Hope you know the pain you've inflicted on the PDs. Shame on you. Curse your family n'all that.
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I got pwned in bloody bay by xanthus when i was a brute - did i start a thread about how controllers with hasten are uber in pvp?
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Look. We've spent months trying to convince Xanthus that he is the [censored], backward, never to advance for love or money, player that he is. And you post this?! Its Christmas. I Hope you know the pain you've inflicted on the PDs. Shame on you. Curse your family n'all that.
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Well, he's playing a villain, is he not? That's to be expected!
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Stalkers and MM's are the only original things to come out of CoV and should be applauded for adding to the games content.
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And that is the answer to the OP's comment that there are so many Stalkers about. (Though, honestly, I don't see it.) The reason is that Stalkers are one of the few things in CoV that's new.
There are also a lot of MMs and a lot of Plant Dominators.
I have to say that, when a thread kicks off and, before the end of the first page, both Zephyrus and Rock_Eagle make posts I completely agree with, there must be something wrong with the universe.
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Ravens not well he seems to be in a good mode and agreed with some thing I posted that or its the end of the world.
Nah Rock, it's Christmas... the time for miracles
Ok have read through the replies and as expected most are just plain unhelpful not all tho and others just a waste of a read as they clearly dont help ppl problem solve the situation they r in and are more interested in self promoting the stalkers public relations. So i have done some research and found a list of controller powers that can help some alts and their are 2 powers i personally can use on my alt
CONTOLER---CLEAR MIND (if u are teaming use this on your allies,this power + goggles will help a lot with stalkers),PERSONAL FORCE FIELD (if u are not attaking this is your best friend),REPULSION FIELD,FORCE BUBBLE,REPEL,CHOKING CLOUD,CLARITY (+Perseption Power),HURRICANE,QUICKSAND,EARTHQUAKE,HOT FEET,SINGULARITY (Try to stay close to your pet),ARTIC AIR,ICE SLICK,SPECTRAL TERROR(Same as SINGULARITY),SONIC REPULSION (put it on a team mate,blaster/defender/controler,and stay close to him)
So it looks like I am able to start building a strategy that includes some form of pvp action other than running around the zone like a loony popping acc pills like there was no tororrow just simple to survive let alone actually hit anything.Hope some other readers find this small list helpful.