PvP Complainers

I must say I have had nothing but positive experiences in side warburg so far. First time I went in I spent all my life running between the hospital and the beach (mainly due to TG and his merry band of psychopaths ), there was the usual trash talk- but I enjoyed it none-the-less and eventually got invited to a team. Not the most organised of teams, but it immediatly improved my experience ten-fold, I actually managed to pick up a few kills and really got into it. I ran up against another SR scrap (harvest moon?) and we spent a good long while trying to kill each other (you haven't seen comedy untill you've seen srs fight ), with her the eventual victor.

Came back later that evening with a coalition team and had another runaround, again the experience was fantastic. I realise that almost no-one is interested in my blow-by-blow account, but the point I am very slowly getting to is that I pretty much agree with everything TG has said- and wanted to thank him and his team for providing a real challange on the beach. Life is much more interesting when you're trying to leap that impossible hurdle- like TG and his .

The one thing I disagree with however is the running to safe zones. There is no loss to dieing in a PvP zone, so take what's coming to you. The safe zones are perfectly legitimate between fights to recover or go afk- but running to them when you're being beaten is a little pathetic.

well i am really glad u enjoyed there is nothing better than some good fight picled up at the beach fighting for supremacy and i must admit fyreball ROCK HARD 3 and their team did a really good job and gave us a run for our money before we get assembled in full force...prolly fyreball wont speak to me again lol cause i decided to distract him with a little trash talk so we irritate the opponents and foce them to mistakes which they did such as rushing staight into the hurricane but hope no hard feelings from him is all part of the trash talk in there is always good fun trying to squeeze the last drop of tactics your AT can squeeze out to help your team and is what makes u feel great at the end of a Warburg day even if u have received a lot of punishment..u are surprised u discover something u had no idea u could do b4....and yeah my team is psychopaths... look at Smooth and Jag lol...

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He has 4 attacks that drop toggles... I have ... brawl.
Total focus basically is a one-shot drop-all-toggles and a stun as a bonus.. He does about 20 times the damage that I can do to him. If Ed changes were not about PvP then I suggest the devs could get on with the actual PvP changes then..

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I really dunno why toggle droppers are still in game , really, are devs so intrested at seeing 1vs1 in arena?, cos in a team match I see no use at all and also now a controller can drop tanker toggles thanks to mez resistance nerf... They really only exist cos the possibility of doing FFA or 1vs1 and without a way to drop toggles in a FFA or 1vs1 tanker or scrap would be too powerful (maybe...) but FFA or 1vs1 is a blast forget about balance, wanna fight, ok , no, nothing, the real pvp is team pvp.

As for tanker use, I think tanker rox at pvp, 1 word "Taunt" Its almost powerful as terror, forget about attacks, just protect your weak teammates. And of course dont jump in the middle of a team with 2 controllers if you dont have mez resistance buffed Next time join us Hammerfall and Im sure you will find yourself really useful.

Then again.... taunting can get you some unwanted toggle dropping goodness, unless you happen to have GA or Lobster form. Its almost sad to see those invul, ice and fire tankies going donw quite fast when they make the mistake taunting me and Jag at the same time.
No matter how many toggles you have when we do 2*Energy punch, Bone Smasher and Total Focus. The combined toggle dropping and stacking stun will definately make you want to be somewhere else... without taunt

Why are people against grabbing scientist from other heroes? Its much easier than getting one on your own

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Why are people against grabbing scientist from other heroes? Its much easier than getting one on your own

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To everyone in the PvP zones. I would remind you all to remember one thing; Other players are not there for your convenience.

If you're on your own you WILL get ganged up on.

If you're ganging up on someone they WILL run away.

It really doesn't get more difficult than that.

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I ran up against another SR scrap (harvest moon?) and we spent a good long while trying to kill each other (you haven't seen comedy untill you've seen srs fight ), with her the eventual victor

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Yeah, I think that was me – SR scrapper fights are a laugh, but if one or both whack on elude, then it’s just gets silly

More to remember.

If you are in a winning team. Every sneaky trick you do is great fun and others are just bunch of whiners.... on the other hand if you are on the losing side the others are sorry cowards, griever and pathetic losers.

There is no such thing as fair play in PvP. Every one of us are two faced, back stabbing, mean opportunists... I know I am

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No matter how many toggles you have when we do 2*Energy punch, Bone Smasher and Total Focus. The combined toggle dropping and stacking stun will definately make you want to be somewhere else... without taunt

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LOL, yep I think we all wanted to be somewhere else. I don't think we could see where to go tho' on account of the black eyes & swellings. We're back on solids in 6 weeks, the doctors say .

It went something like...
"Let's go & check that rocket thing out in Warburg"
"Yeah, haven't been there yet"
[Take Heli' to Warburg, skip past loads of warning text ]
[swim up to beach & spot two heroes who have weird orange color names instead of blue...]
"Erm,... does that mean...."
[wallop, pound, thrash]
"Yep I guess it does"
"I don't feel so good"

Ah, we'll learn it... one day .

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More to remember.

If you are in a winning team. Every sneaky trick you do is great fun and others are just bunch of whiners.... on the other hand if you are on the losing side the others are sorry cowards, griever and pathetic losers.

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True, but if there are 5 of you picking on 1 player then you actually are a bunch of sorry cowards

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More to remember.

If you are in a winning team. Every sneaky trick you do is great fun and others are just bunch of whiners.... on the other hand if you are on the losing side the others are sorry cowards, griever and pathetic losers.

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True, but if there are 5 of you picking on 1 player then you actually are a bunch of sorry cowards

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I rest my case... hehe

lol!!!

What can I tell you? Some people will avoid fair fights at all costs. I wonder why ;-)

Well, personally, I'm secure in the knowledge that when I go in warburg in a team all kills are due to superior skill and cunning, plus possibly good looks and charm. When I go in there on my own and get killed, it's quite clearly by lame gankers. Did I miss anything?

Seriously though, the warnings on the door couldn't be clearer, if you're going to get upset if someone attacks you, it's not the place to be. Some people will attack anything that moves simply because they can, because it'll increase their ratings, because they had a bad day, because they're bored, because they can't take on the larger more organised PvP teams, because they thought they were about to be attacked, or just because they assumed everyone in there would be looking to fight, the reasons are endless I'm sure. I have done very little PvP but can see little challenge or entertainment in attacking someone who's not going to fight back, so it must be truly pointless if you really know what you're doing, but completely within the rules of the game and I can't see how it constitutes griefing in any way shape or form. Nor does outnumbering people.

Whenever I've been in warburg I've gone in looking for a fight. I’ve been in solo a few times and had a few fun fights, I went in yesterday evening with a couple of guys from our SG, I've done little PvP and they've done none previously but it was a laugh, I expected we’d lose quite badly given inexperience and a less than desirable team mix and was fairly pleasantly surprised. We stayed in for an hour or so, which was about what we’d planned, I think I’d probably have got bored fighting other heroes for longer than that. Still in general it was quite good fun, I was surprised I enjoyed it as much as I did, I never imagined that I'd want to PvP in a "clicky" type game, but it wasn't too bad at all. I'll look forwards to fighting villains now and then when there's some in there, it feels wierd fighting heroes, I think bashing villains will be more fun

The trash talking I could live without, however. Fortunately it is nowhere near as bad as what I saw when I went in there on the US servers a couple of times prior to transferring, but it's still a slightly dissapointing reflection on the human race that people can be so childish and rude behind the anonymity of the internet, let alone think that they're being clever when they're doing it. Anyone going down that route will go straight on my ignore list and stay there, I can't be bothered to listen to it, but I certainly wouldn't let it bother me.

The problem imho is one of escalation <sp>. Ppl are already suggesting you shouldn't go into Warburg unless you're on a team. If teams constantly swoop down on any solo player then very quickly this will be the case - to the point where you can't go in alone AND have a PvP bash WITHOUT being part of a team and maybe soon after that, only if they're part of an eight man team.
I'm basing this on other PvPesque games I've played over the years. I fully expect to see it in terms of SG, where you get a few surviving predators with all the IoP and the rest grubbing about for Prestige and I expect to see it in Warburg to a lesser extent.
If it were down to me Heroes would NOT be able to PvP each other, and only able to fight Villains. Villains on the other hand should be able to PvP anyone and use all the sneaky tactics with impunity. They are, afterall, the bad guys.

Anything in Warburg is fair game. Thats the way I play it and thats the way I like it.

If I find heroes camping a certain place I need to go, I'll get a team or wait till later. I dont have a problem with this.

If Im trying to complete a mission in Warburg and I get ganked by some heroes, I dont have a problem. I'll just SS back. Its extremely hard to kill a hero on the move.
Only thing that can take you down fast is a hold. Use a BF and your running again.

If someone steals my scientist, I wouldnt complain, why should I? Think of players as added danger to the zone. People dont say that PvE ambushes should stop. People dont say that it should be easier to run through the hollows.

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People dont say that it should be easier to run through the hollows.

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Yes they do. This is in fact the major complaint about the Hollows. :P

Thing is though. We're SUPPOSED to be heroes. Heroes versus Hero wasn't what the game was supposed to be about. V versus V, H versus V? Fine, still in the spirit of the game. If you want "gank" some player or steal their scientist then go be a villain. Once the villains are up and running I hope they disable the H versus H ability - as you really can't argue with a villain being an A***hole. They're supposed to be.
Expecting more from heroes is clearly too much to ask.

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Total focus basically is a one-shot drop-all-toggles and a stun as a bonus..

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Total Focus isn't a toggle dropper...

I was on a big team destroying everything that came into the zone yesterday. Me and Blue Shadow got bored so qw quit the team and ganked our Blaster!

And about the scientist subject, I'd kill someone with a scientist/codes if I saw them if I was intending to get the temp powers, it's so much easier.

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As Torque remarked, it was like the end of the world! Chaos ruled, and allainces only lasted until the current foe had fallen, at which point the victors would tear into eachother without a moments pause. Madness, and the best adrenalin hit I've had from a game for ages.


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You are a great PvPer, I really enjoy the good feeling when people do it for fun.

But don't worry, Techno Llama will get you again

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Thing is though. We're SUPPOSED to be heroes. Heroes versus Hero wasn't what the game was supposed to be about. V versus V, H versus V? Fine, still in the spirit of the game. If you want "gank" some player or steal their scientist then go be a villain. Once the villains are up and running I hope they disable the H versus H ability - as you really can't argue with a villain being an A***hole. They're supposed to be.
Expecting more from heroes is clearly too much to ask.

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I think of it as training between heroes, preparing for the villains that will go into the PvP areas.

I hate to say this, but your Role-playing and expecting others in the game to follow suit with your version of 'good Vs evil'. Some of us are gamers, who love the mechanics of the game rather than any kind of comic based enthusiast. Sure I like comics but its not a hobby of mine, more of a passing interest.

That said, even in comics, there are situations where the good guys go bad, or team with the bad guys to beat up some other bad/good guys for whatever reason yadadada. I'm not invalidating anything your saying but comics are based on imagination, every imagination has its own interpretation and thus a few thousand different imaginations running around on all 4 servers. My imagination just happens to incorporate Swedish girls

Another point is that Warburg is fulla heroes at the moment. They rule there. They can only fight each other there (Arena being a seperate thing altogether). Till the Villians get up to that level and are able to enter the zone, things will stay more or less the same. Also higher level players will *want* a pure PvP zone because it opens up the field for SGs to battle each other regardless of being hero or villian. If you want a Hero Vs Villian area, then go to Bloody Bay coz theres lotsa fun to be had there atm.

Once PvP is not the newest and shiniest thing (say, in a few months time) I will be interested to see what things are like in the PvP zones. ie whether it is mostly teams beating on each other and solo heroes/villains fear to tread... or whether it is mostly solo people apart from a few "funny" slaughtering-all-comers teams of heroes/villains.

Hopefully (for me) it'll be mostly solos, since for a variety of reasons (time constraints, play style, certain decisions I made when I started playing CoH), I imagine I'll mostly be solo once I'm of a suitable level.

Wait a mo.... you can team up in Warburg... and it's free for all?...... Does that mean (once there are some who can get in) there'll be mixed hero/villain teams....?

I think that it's good it is in set zones... and wait to see how they work after any initial "bugs" or "loopholes" in the system are worked out by the Devs after an issue or two.

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I hate to say this, but your Role-playing and expecting others in the game to follow suit with your version of 'good Vs evil'. Some of us are gamers, who love the mechanics of the game rather than any kind of comic based enthusiast. Sure I like comics but its not a hobby of mine, more of a passing interest.

That said, even in comics, there are situations where the good guys go bad, or team with the bad guys to beat up some other bad/good guys for whatever reason yadadada. I'm not invalidating anything your saying but comics are based on imagination, every imagination has its own interpretation and thus a few thousand different imaginations running around on all 4 servers. My imagination just happens to incorporate Swedish girls

Another point is that Warburg is fulla heroes at the moment. They rule there. They can only fight each other there (Arena being a seperate thing altogether). Till the Villians get up to that level and are able to enter the zone, things will stay more or less the same. Also higher level players will *want* a pure PvP zone because it opens up the field for SGs to battle each other regardless of being hero or villian. If you want a Hero Vs Villian area, then go to Bloody Bay coz theres lotsa fun to be had there atm.

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I would put very good money on me being a gamer FAR longer the most people on these boards. ZX81 anyone? And I know two things; City of Heroes was supposed to be about HEROES doing heroic stuff, not jumping out of dark corners at each other to nick their scientist or whatever. It was a game of heroics, which has nothing to do with role playing and everything to do with the big writing on the box.
The second thing I know is that everyone on here who says "yeah, I kill everything that moves" will eventually be the only type of player in Warburg - I know I'll start giving it a wide berth. The place generally annoys me - and that's fine as it should cut down on the complaining on the text window.
But I wonder, some time in the coming weeks, if we'll start seeing ppl complain about how there's never anyone in Warburg anymore
Just food for thought.