The people that wait at the bunkers to steal codes should be killed and reported cause that is true ganking...and they are lame....this is why whenever i go in Warburg i never go around the area of the bunker to kill people or groups with codes and we usually sit at the beach...we are obvious from the safe zone and people can go around us and avoid us.....u saw us and u did the obvious...u were alone and decided to go around us....some people though decide is smart to simply fly straight on us and when they die they start the whole broadcast abuse....there was a controller last night getting mashed and she kept coming on to us trying to kill and each time she died cursed us??!!I sit in Warburg and i have said many times on arena and broadcast..all challenges are welcome just make a team and pop in for some fun....yesterday the whole mass battle started when we killed 3-4 individuals forcing the people to make a couple of teams to take us on....i have never EVER went to hide around w8 for victims and even more i have never waited people at the launch bunker which is lame...
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The people that wait at the bunkers to steal codes should be killed and reported cause that is true ganking...and they are lame....this is why whenever i go in Warburg i never go around the area of the bunker to kill people or groups with codes and we usually sit at the beach...we are obvious from the safe zone and people can go around us and avoid us.....u saw us and u did the obvious...u were alone and decided to go around us....some people though decide is smart to simply fly straight on us and when they die they start the whole broadcast abuse....there was a controller last night getting mashed and she kept coming on to us trying to kill and each time she died cursed us??!!I sit in Warburg and i have said many times on arena and broadcast..all challenges are welcome just make a team and pop in for some fun....yesterday the whole mass battle started when we killed 3-4 individuals forcing the people to make a couple of teams to take us on....i have never EVER went to hide around w8 for victims and even more i have never waited people at the launch bunker which is lame...
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Well I don't think the use of word "obvious" is suitable yet.. My friend complained about a group on the beach "waiting to bounce on anybody to stray from the safe zone".. A misunderstanding of course but points out that the unwritten rules of engagement havent yet been decided upon, people are uncertain how they should behave in PvP zone, or what to expect..
Personally I'm getting depressed about PvP not because of tactics but because my tank is utterly useless in PvP.. I can't bring down a seagull let alone any kind of squishy with my PvP-tuned attacks.. The epic hold is unusable in contested zones due to autoexemping too low.. I have no chance whatsoever in PvP in my opinion.
Fought Jags blaster in arena, he did masses of damage to me in seconds whereas I could barely nudge his lifebar.. Couldnt stand up to him without unstoppable even for a few seconds and at least half of fight was me flying around trying to avoid his attacks when I was in the red, waiting dull pain to recharge.. Ok, now he has finely-tuned PvP build, but still..
Tankers cant take it nor dish it.. whats the point?
Jumping in safe zone? Yes I do that and no it has nothing to do with cowardise. I don't see why I should die when I can avoid that running away from someone whos attacking me. Yes it can be a bit annoying. Iv lost lots of kills that way and iv avoided lots of deaths that way too. Someone suggested that there should be a little time that you can still be killed in safe zone. Fine by me I dont mind. People WILL use every possible way in PvP zones to stay alive even with abousing the weak points of the system. Nothing is ever going to change that. If I cant run in safe zone ill just run to TG and hide in that nice hurricane thingy... hehe
Example. I'm killing someone and run out of endurance. What should I do? Stay there and wait for certain death? I mean really! Thats just silly! I rather live and run away thank you very much 
Ganking? Yeah why not. Ill kill you as many times as I see you around as long as you are not im my team Friend or foe... everyone goes. Someone got rather mad at me yesturday and just waited me to go out of the safe zone and then killed me and runned back to safe zone several times. So? Take your revenge. You have the right to do that Thats how things work right now. Sure it can be a bit annoing but thats what we sign in for when we go in those zones. I dont complain.
Stealing scientists? They like me more than you anyways so you might just as well give em to me and I may spare your life.... and heres a tought. Those ppl who do the warburg mission and get the missle strike might be the same people who attack my base next time so im definately going to try prevent that by not letting you get that temp power.
Not everyone share your personal views how PvP should be played so why complain? It IS free for all with NO rules.
It is nothing personal. I do like you all, but I also immensely enjoy killing you... call it rough loving if you wish 
Fighting l33t since 1974
Don't "lol"! Laugh!
Sanity Inc
@8Qbit
hmmmm the spots we usually hang out when we there is along the beach....anyone getting to the limit of the safe zone can see us mainly cause of my cloud and hurricane up as well as the stone pet wandering around....at least i refer to Insanity Inc. team....
As far as Jags blaster goes dont forget he is a fully PvP build just like my troller is exclusive PvP made..he is not balanced to work in both PvE PvP so is not weird that he might have advantage over u....if u are into PvP maybe u could try respec into a pure PvP build the tanker but this comes at cost....
Never said you did mate... I just think having mobs lying in wait in specific area's is just going to put other people off the whole thing, and do you REALLY want to kill off the zone before it even gets going properly?
EDIT: I'll gladly join in a free for all fight where it's every man for himself, or against one or two people. But against 3 or more in a team against one? Forget it... I'd rather not bother as being unable to do anything isn't fun
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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As far as Jags blaster goes dont forget he is a fully PvP build just like my troller is exclusive PvP made..he is not balanced to work in both PvE PvP so is not weird that he might have advantage over u....if u are into PvP maybe u could try respec into a pure PvP build the tanker but this comes at cost....
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As I mentioned I know he has finely-tuned PVP build..
Point is that I had mine also tuned mostly for PvP and there is little that I can add to it.. Clobber and intimidate (which I already have) but they dont remove the fact that my most damaging single-target attacks (i dont have area attacks slotted) do diddly against a frigging blaster even when 6-slotted. :-/ How could I kill him?
He has 4 attacks that drop toggles... I have ... brawl.
Total focus basically is a one-shot drop-all-toggles and a stun as a bonus.. He does about 20 times the damage that I can do to him. If Ed changes were not about PvP then I suggest the devs could get on with the actual PvP changes then..
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Those ppl who do the warburg mission and get the missle strike might be the same people who attack my base next time so im definately going to try prevent that by not letting you get that temp power.
It is nothing personal. I do like you all, but I also immensely enjoy killing you... call it rough loving if you wish
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I fully agree on this....Warburg is a PvP equip zone for raids however i have set a major rule to myself and i think all from the team i am in agree on this we dont kill at the bunker or hide there to get in the most coward way a missile.......patrolling for groups with scientists,makinfg line of defense at beach,yes, lame stealing the hard work of people at the bunker,NO!...they have made it with people attacking them all the time to carry 3 scientists and respect to that for their persistance honorable way...and if anyone gets ganked at the bunker and i am in zone give us a shout and whoever did this will get hunted by my team for sure.
MMMMmmm thanks for that hehehe
To Hammerfall:
Tanks are indeed in a tough situation in PvP when it comes to toggle droppers....i dunno many PvP tankers but so far one good method i saw work well in PvP is laser beam eyes combos....Solid state was wondering same too so we ll have a look at Tanker set and maybe post a PvP Tanker guide and some builds...Aria might have something handy about this
I promise that I won't be camping near the scientist safe zones or consentrate stealing anything... but I also promise that I will give you a smack if I see you while im jumping around or if I happen to run into you inside that base... scientist or not
Fighting l33t since 1974
Don't "lol"! Laugh!
Sanity Inc
@8Qbit
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I promise that I won't be camping near the scientist safe zones or consentrate stealing anything... but I also promise that I will give you a smack if I see you while im jumping around or if I happen to run into you inside that base... scientist or not
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lol that i can promise too...btw i wish we could smack the scientists too...
Hum.. no epics in contested zones nor bases.. 
And thats what I feel PvP is gonna be about in the future..
As per arena, Jag won only by 2-0.. maybe there is a chance if I find damage from somewhere..
Hmmmm i think the level 40-50 PvP zone will be full powered....as for damage try look into the laser beam eye solution....
My 2 inf.
1) I do feal sorry for all those powerleveled toons who want to get some PvP actions. They dont stand a chance.
2) I will attack anyone I see on sight, unless your a big team then I will prolly call in the SG and kick your <bleep>.
3) Dont get mad people get even.
4) There was a small group doing alot of PvP in the arena these will prolly also be the ones that you will feel is doing the griefing. These guys has much more experience in PvP than you guys and can still kick your <bleep> even if you bring alot of friends. If you want a chance bring atleast enough people to be 3 on 1.
5) Im glad im one of those guys who enjoyed PvP before I6.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
ehmmmm i think that after the last few days of mixed teams of Insanity Inc and the Paragon Defenders and the individual teams they put out....ehmmm 3 to 1 is unfair....must be something like 5 to 1....
I so agree on points 1 and 6.......seeing a certain well known "PLZZZZ PL ME" toon in warburg last night resulted in comedy....ehm something like
"FFS why u kill me?"
Me: "erm this is PvP zone"
"But omg why u kill me?"
rezzed and killed again lol.....
Ah, the joys of PvP introduction. When this first started on WoW (the renowned 'Honour' system) the boards filled with complaints.
The problem that the devs need to address, as they have done to a great degree now on WoW, is giving those players who want pure PvP somewhere to engage in it that will attract all the PvP players to the same place. Opening PvP areas allows for a lot of griefing play, that can cause a great deal of bad feeling between players, especially those who did not really sign up to play the game PvP. Personally I am looking forward to it, and I guarantee that PvP in CoH/CoV will be far less irritating that Warcraft (i.e. no means of corpse-camping players). Expect a whole lot of complaints though.
the thing is what people not get PvP is now contained in specific zones...u not loose anything unlike other games where u can be looted or corpse camped..is pure fun and adrenaline while u are at it..the only lamers are the one camping at launch spot to kill people and those should be hunted down at all costs....
I hear people are camping outside hospitals with tp foe ready. If true that, in my opinion, is griefing.
PVP can be engaging, exciting and fun as long as people respect each other. Yes, its PVP - not [insert insulting name here] v Player.
If you kill a guy a couple of times, then don't go hunting him down and making his life a misery just to get a hard-on. E.g. if you know someone is trying to do a PVP area mission and you have killed them a couple of times, then let them go on their way. You made your point and continually killing them is disrespectful and frankly, harrasment.
Failure to continue to respect others will see the decline of the fabulous COH community spirit that makes this game so special. If that happens it will be very sad.
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I hear people are camping outside hospitals with tp foe ready. If true that, in my opinion, is griefing.
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Hospital in Warburg at least is a safe zone and u cant use tp foe there so whoever said that is wrong.
The only continuous killings that go on right now is during long engagements at the beach of Warburg...so far noone has been chasing the same player or anything with exception yesterday of Spacemonkey.Some sparks fly occasionally due to permafacepant of some people but thats only for a bit and the usual trash talk of PvP....so far only fun though although when Xanthus is around that zone or Smooth there is some screaming going on lol..
I regret nothing!
Seriously though, I personally don't go out of my way to hunt anyone down. If people approach me aggresively, they die. It's as simple as that.
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ehmmmm i think that after the last few days of mixed teams of Insanity Inc and the Paragon Defenders and the individual teams they put out....ehmmm 3 to 1 is unfair....must be something like 5 to 1....
I so agree on points 1 and 6.......seeing a certain well known "PLZZZZ PL ME" toon in warburg last night resulted in comedy....ehm something like
"FFS why u kill me?"
Me: "erm this is PvP zone"
"But omg why u kill me?"
rezzed and killed again lol.....
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/ laughs till he chokes from laughing so hard
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ehmmmm i think that after the last few days of mixed teams of Insanity Inc and the Paragon Defenders and the individual teams they put out....ehmmm 3 to 1 is unfair....must be something like 5 to 1....
I so agree on points 1 and 6.......seeing a certain well known "PLZZZZ PL ME" toon in warburg last night resulted in comedy....ehm something like
"FFS why u kill me?"
Me: "erm this is PvP zone"
"But omg why u kill me?"
rezzed and killed again lol.....
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/ laughs till he chokes from laughing so hard
I had a hand in killing two guys with my stormy (Jill Frost) in the Union version of Warburg and recieved a torrent of pretty foul hate abuse. They were fighting a teamate of mine away from the beach, and I sought him out when I saw his health falling and joined the fight. I didn't see how the fight started. Once it was two on two (instead of two on one) these two started begging for mercy, saying they only wanted to look around and could we stop killing them please. However, they were fighting back while asking us to stop, which seemed kind of
cheeky. Needless to say lady mercy wasn't home.
Once they were dead, I got some very abusive hate tells, to which I politely replied that it was a PvP zone, and that next time they should be more careful if they did not want to fight other players. This seemed to enrage them beyond all reason...
I was then stalked by these two for the rest of my session (and I was there for quite a while). I had to put them on ignore to stop the hate tells but they still waited just outside the safe zone, ignoring everyone else, and ganged up on me as soon as I came out. I ended up killing them more than they killed me (Ice/storm can be pretty mean in PvP), but it was still griefing.
I can live with it, being a bad sport is it's own punishment, but the sheer hatred was suprising and went well beyond the usual trash talk.
On the other hand, most of the peeps in Warburg were very good sports, I sent and recieved a lot of 'well done's and it was good to see old friends I hadn't teamed with for ages, even when they where punching my face just as hard as they could 
As Torque remarked, it was like the end of the world! Chaos ruled, and allainces only lasted until the current foe had fallen, at which point the victors would tear into eachother without a moments pause. Madness, and the best adrenalin hit I've had from a game for ages.
So my first experience of Warburg was mixed, but the fun bits were REALLY fun, and I will most surely be back.
Friendly pvp doesnt exist ... its in the human nature to "dislike" those that defeat you !
And revenge fell's sooo good
This is not directed at anyone. I reply to TG simply cause his is the last post...
The incident mentioned above is why I've never overly liked the idea of PvP. Sure it's great fun once in a while to have a bash at other people. But 8 on 1 is NEVER fair and is very likely to put people off ever doing PvP again.
For those who sit on the beach clobbering anyone who moves, or hide around the bunkers purely to steal from others who've done all the hard work. Why do that? Sure the zone rules let you, and that's fair enough, but why not roam around the zone getting into scraps instead of mob jumping some solo player who might just want a look around? I've been into Warburg a couple of times and haven't had any problems yet (I saw you lot from the ship and went around you), but honestly... Ganking really isn't fun for the gankee when all they can do is sit in a hold and get squished. If you continue to mob gank people like this, the only targets you're going to have left is each other...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.