There are times when you don't want KU or KB ie PvE...so it's not poorly designed just not suited for one specific purpose that this game isn't even entirely about. I'd say it's fine imo.
Besides wouldn't it be just another Mind/ Knock off with that combo. Now grav has to do something different. Besides most good players KB Hold Sleep to get the most out of mez effects.
So the point seems almost moot.
You can go mind for hold + knockup...or you can go grav for a phase and tp foe/stun. Both is just being greedy :P
It still doesn't make sense. That's like being able to fireball your own team.
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Lets say you have an energy blaster on the team slotted for KB, some defender with a toggle debuff, and the grav character. lets also assume that no one has an immob that does -KB.
So the troller does the initial AoE hold or immob, defender picks a nice anchor the the toggle debuff in the center of the group, and the blaster starts going to town.
The problem kicks in when the blaster ends up launching the anchor way out of the group, and (depending on setting, team size, mission and so on) potentially into another goup your not ready for while still having that last one to deal with. Gravs -KB would be fairly useful in such a situation.
By the way, if this doesnt make a lot of sense sorry. Posting while not really awake.
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Actually I'm going to agree with the OP. It really doesn't make sense. You'd think someone in control of gravity would be able to hold them then lift and slam them to the ground if they wanted.
I don't really see a point in the ST hold giving KB protection. To stop a energy blaster from KB'ing a NPC in PvE? Pfft.
grav would probably have to rely on wormhole to pull off what you are thinking of. just slot lift for damage and consider the kb as extra that makes killing the unIOed easier.
also, if you havent yet, go roll a psi/ or sonic/ blaster and just play it redside when GR comes out.
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Im wondering why in gravity do they put lift that does good knockup and now good damage in pvp, but give you a hold that provides the target 10000% KB and KU protection and 100 mag KB and KU protection.
So you cant throw a hold on someone, say a regen, that is running a toggle with KB and KU protection to surpress that toggle cause your just giving them more protection.
What a poorly designed set IMO.
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Most of the powersets were designed before pvP even occured in this game. Go poorly design youself a game and try to have people NOT rage at you for makig something THEMEATIC.
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i get the pve points, i really do. I have a nrg blaster and can see a grav aoe hold or immobilize helping the team.
But this is why i posted in pvp forums and not pve. In pvp it doesnt make sense. They have changed alot of powers to make them work differently in pvp then in pve, why not change this.
The reason you would want to hold someone before the KB or KU is because it surpresses whatever toggles they got on like acrobatics, so the Ku or KB hits.
Also solo i do have it 4 slotted with damage and 2 slots with kb IO's, but i guess ima have to change that.
Why should they change it though? So that you can implement a tactic that another set already uses? Grav has no -KB in the immob should they change that to match Ice?
Why change it for PvP? It doesn't need to be changed because it's a different set and should play differently.
And you don't have to hold anyone to drop the KB bonus they get from toggles, you can also stun or sleep them.
If you wanna hold then KB somebody roll a Mind/ Primary otherwise stop complaining about a perfectly fine set that's only shortcoming is not allowing you to use one certain technique in a certain scenario (PvP.) You might as well ask Wormhole to work just like TK because it's so effective...why not just change it? It'll work so much better for me. Make me way happier.
If ever there was a more baseless and arbitrary claim I haven't seen it.
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Lets change all the sets so they perform exactly the same.
i c whut u did thar. clever lil devil.
pet hold does -kb too as well as it kb's and repels - worse thing you can do on a grav emp is let out your pet when your team is trying to kb spike! doh!
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In pvp it really is fine. Could use some tweaks but overall very decent. Pve on the other hand, it blows monkeys.
Duel me.
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I dunno - ever wormhole a mob 100 feet in the air? the lols are worth it.
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Im wondering why in gravity do they put lift that does good knockup and now good damage in pvp, but give you a hold that provides the target 10000% KB and KU protection and 100 mag KB and KU protection.
So you cant throw a hold on someone, say a regen, that is running a toggle with KB and KU protection to surpress that toggle cause your just giving them more protection.
What a poorly designed set IMO.
/endrant
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If they're Held why do you care if they get KU anyway? They still take the damage...extra damage if your a controller.
If it's a Boss and you're gonna have to Hold him twice, and you want him on his butt while you do it, try hitting Lift first.
Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.
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Im wondering why in gravity do they put lift that does good knockup and now good damage in pvp, but give you a hold that provides the target 10000% KB and KU protection and 100 mag KB and KU protection.
So you cant throw a hold on someone, say a regen, that is running a toggle with KB and KU protection to surpress that toggle cause your just giving them more protection.
What a poorly designed set IMO.
/endrant
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If they're Held why do you care if they get KU anyway? They still take the damage...extra damage if your a controller.
If it's a Boss and you're gonna have to Hold him twice, and you want him on his butt while you do it, try hitting Lift first.
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Welcome to the pvp section Wav. Thanks for helping him with pve advice.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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All the op was is a rant about some things with the set. I'm not saying its not a good set, cause I loveeee wormhole. Dimension shift can be good to if used at right moments in those times of trouble.
Its just the kb protect that bugs me. In pvp its about hurting the opponent as fast as u can, but in grav if your using your hold about every 10-15 sec in ur atack chain then your helping the opponent more then hurting them. This would make spiking using kb virtually impossible not just for you, but your teamates as well.
No it doesn't. All it means is that you lead with some other form of mez that isn't the hold. Like perhaps Wormhole for teh stun. It's up as often as flashfire which may not be as fast as the hold, but why do you want to be grav if all you wanna do is KB somebody for a spike.
It'd be like saying I wanna bring an energy blaster to lead my spike with his snipe. You wouldn't. You'd bring a Psi cause his snipe is superior. The same reason you'd bring a Mind/ Dom/troller cause his build is built for what you want to do. Stop trying to make everything the same. Think outside the box you frickin drone.
Wow such hostility over something small and rediculous. Lead with wormhole???? Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level. Your probably one of those lolfightklub peeps. Let me guess I should stand still, not pop, and fight toe to toe. Ha
Post when you lrn2post something that actually makes sense. My complaint is legitamite. Just because I'm not mind and don't want to be a drone and roll flavorfull toons doesn't mean that it isn't.
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Im wondering why in gravity do they put lift that does good knockup and now good damage in pvp, but give you a hold that provides the target 10000% KB and KU protection and 100 mag KB and KU protection.
So you cant throw a hold on someone, say a regen, that is running a toggle with KB and KU protection to surpress that toggle cause your just giving them more protection.
What a poorly designed set IMO.
/endrant
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If they're Held why do you care if they get KU anyway? They still take the damage...extra damage if your a controller.
If it's a Boss and you're gonna have to Hold him twice, and you want him on his butt while you do it, try hitting Lift first.
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Welcome to the pvp section Wav. Thanks for helping him with pve advice.
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DOH, that's what happens when I fail to look at the section heading before clicking the thread.
Where's the exit?
EDIT: Isn't the KB protection getting supressed a bug anyway?
Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.
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Wow such hostility over something small and rediculous. Lead with wormhole???? Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level. Your probably one of those lolfightklub peeps. Let me guess I should stand still, not pop, and fight toe to toe. Ha
Post when you lrn2post something that actually makes sense. My complaint is legitamite. Just because I'm not mind and don't want to be a drone and roll flavorfull toons doesn't mean that it isn't.
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It's not legitimate. You want something that's the exact same as Mind, and we don't need another.
Also, Meldash does know what he is taking about, and has been PvPing in a high end setting probably since before you knew what PvP was.
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Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level. Your probably one of those lolfightklub peeps. Let me guess I should stand still, not pop, and fight toe to toe. Ha
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Whew, it's about time the truth came out. Mel is always spamming people in broadcast to FITE WTIH HONRO. He disdains the use of these so-called "powers" that allow you to attack from "range" or stealth or worse yet, to jump around.
ps: lols.
Im wondering why in gravity do they put lift that does good knockup and now good damage in pvp, but give you a hold that provides the target 10000% KB and KU protection and 100 mag KB and KU protection.
So you cant throw a hold on someone, say a regen, that is running a toggle with KB and KU protection to surpress that toggle cause your just giving them more protection.
What a poorly designed set IMO.
/endrant