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Wow such hostility over something small and rediculous. Lead with wormhole???? Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level. Your probably one of those lolfightklub peeps. Let me guess I should stand still, not pop, and fight toe to toe. Ha
Post when you lrn2post something that actually makes sense. My complaint is legitamite. Just because I'm not mind and don't want to be a drone and roll flavorfull toons doesn't mean that it isn't.
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WOW THAR MUST B PRITTY HI STANDURDS TO GIT IN PVPEC
What?
If Mind and Grav could both Hold + KU they'd both be the same? I guess other differences such as damage, TK, DS, Wormhole, confuse, pet, none of that matters...
Honestly I'm all for Lift getting the AoE treatment for PvE reasons. But then of course the Developers would wtfpwn it's damage in PvP because for some reason AoE's being balanced around endurance/recharge cost isn't enough, they also have to totally suck in damage...
Being against Grav's hold losing the -KB component because that would be stepping on Mind's toes sounds pretty pathetic seriously. Singy throwing out -KB is pretty lulzy as well.
But I don't take it seriously enough to really argue about it with the CoH PvP experts, so /shrug. 
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What?
If Mind and Grav could both Hold + KU they'd both be the same? I guess other differences such as damage, TK, DS, Wormhole, confuse, pet, none of that matters...
Being against Grav's hold losing the -KB component because that would be stepping on Mind's toes sounds pretty pathetic seriously. Singy throwing out -KB is pretty lulzy as well.
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This. Plus I never recall me saying no popping con. Idk who mel is so its whatever. Plus I shoulda specified that I was talking in arena and not zone where wormhole is to long of a animation to pop of instead of the hold. By the end of it you should be at half health if not almost dead by a competent player. In zone it is a real fun power though.
I never once said I wanted it to be like mind, others brought that up and instead of saying it in a thoughtfull way, they came across being jerks. So bashing me on having thoughts about a power when others do the same about other stuff. Meh
But gg though.
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If Mind and Grav could both Hold + KU they'd both be the same?
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Nope, but it is wanting grav to function like mind. Essentially wanting the hold ku combo that mind is preferred for. Yes there would be differences but as others have pointed using those differences as an advantage instead of saying this is how it should work would porbbaly be the best way to go at this.
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Honestly I'm all for Lift getting the AoE treatment for PvE reasons. But then of course the Developers would wtfpwn it's damage in PvP because for some reason AoE's being balanced around endurance/recharge cost isn't enough, they also have to totally suck in damage...
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I already said grav could use some love in pve, this just isn't the place to discuss it.
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Being against Grav's hold losing the -KB component because that would be stepping on Mind's toes sounds pretty pathetic seriously. Singy throwing out -KB is pretty lulzy as well.
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Almost as lulzy as not having the ability to figure out how to make the set work for you. Its not rocket science and I know a few gravs who seem to be doing just fine.
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But I don't take it seriously enough to really argue about it with the CoH PvP experts
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And yet here you are.
Now on to Galactic
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Plus I never recall me saying no popping con.
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Your memory is either very short or very selective. Up until i13 you were pretty much one small step above a fight clubber. Both you and your running buddy liked no inspire duels. It didn't take you long of fighting some decent people to get over that though. Not admitting to your past to yourself doesn't mean others don't remember
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Idk who mel is so its whatever.
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This is why I told you that you should probably investigate before spewing off. Arguing and being a dick to people who have been around longer and playing on a higher level than you makes you look like an idiot.
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Plus I shoulda specified that I was talking in arena and not zone where wormhole is to long of a animation to pop of instead of the hold.
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If you are serious about arena you should follow what arena pvpers have done since pretty much day one. You roll the best set for the job. All arena is taken the proven sets and applying them in the most efficient manner. There is no I need this set to work different. You want an arena dom to set up spikes stop trying to reinvent the [censored] wheel and roll a mind seeing you can't figure out how to use a grav.
PS: find barrier sometime and watch his grav fire in the arena and tell me grav needs help.
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I never once said I wanted it to be like mind, others brought that up and instead of saying it in a thoughtfull way, they came across being jerks. So bashing me on having thoughts about a power when others do the same about other stuff
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Saying you want it to be able to set up ku spikes is exactly the same thing as saying you want to be like mind. There are ways to still utilize it, but if you want he easy ku spikes do your self a favor get off your high horse about rolling fotms or being a drone or what the [censored] ever you want to call it and roll a mind dom. Seriously.
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But gg though.
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GG indeed.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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If Mind and Grav could both Hold + KU they'd both be the same?
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Nope, but it is wanting grav to function like mind. Essentially wanting the hold ku combo that mind is preferred for. Yes there would be differences but as others have pointed using those differences as an advantage instead of saying this is how it should work would porbbaly be the best way to go at this.
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No, it isn't wanting Grav to function like Mind. It's wanting the Lift power to be able to function when you Hold someone, like many other powersets are able to do. KoB holds and KU's people, yet I don't want Grav to be just like SS. What are the reasons against this besides you thinking it would be stealing Mind's trick? Seriously, your argument is another set already does it so Gravity shouldn't be able to?
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Almost as lulzy as not having the ability to figure out how to make the set work for you. Its not rocket science and I know a few gravs who seem to be doing just fine.
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But I don't take it seriously enough to really argue about it with the CoH PvP experts
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And yet here you are.
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I played a Grav/therm troller in zones, so i'm not in any need for it to be changed. It worked perfectly fine for me, simply playing support for my friends. Having heat exhaust, heals, DS, wormhole, etc. is serious fun in zones. But the set just feels clunky with Singy throwing -KB and my ST Hold doing the same when Lift is a part of the set.
I don't feel like arguing with the CoH PvP experts because there is no point. Your opinion isn't changing on it, obviously. And if I want to do hold + KU I can simply roll a Mind and level it up in a day. And the Developers, well, lol...
If i ever wanted to change the gravy/ set i would first do something to propel and then take the -kb out of the sing's hold, leave it in the player hold.
I really think grav is fine
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No, it isn't wanting Grav to function like Mind. It's wanting the Lift power to be able to function when you Hold someone, like many other powersets are able to do. KoB holds and KU's people, yet I don't want Grav to be just like SS. What are the reasons against this besides you thinking it would be stealing Mind's trick? Seriously, your argument is another set already does it so Gravity shouldn't be able to?
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When you pvp you either learn to use what a set offers or you roll a different toon. Its just the way it is. Would I happily take the hold not causing -kb, hell yes. But if I am in a situation were I need to set up ku spikes I know enough to get a mind or have someone mez the target first that isn't me and then use lift. I am not saying it shouldn't change, I am saying it probably won't. So the best thing the op can do if he wants it this way is to roll a mind like everyone else does.
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I don't feel like arguing with the CoH PvP experts because there is no point. Your opinion isn't changing on it, obviously. And if I want to do hold + KU I can simply roll a Mind and level it up in a day.
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Which is my actual point but good job on arguing with people you don't want argue with about things you don't care enough to argue about.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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When you pvp you either learn to use what a set offers or you roll a different toon. Its just the way it is.
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I think everyone knows that...
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Would I happily take the hold not causing -kb, hell yes. I am not saying it shouldn't change, I am saying it probably won't.
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Jesus [censored] Christ.
Your like a bunch of women.
if we could just agree that grav sucks noone would be fighting here at all 
Grav does not suck in PvP
Con the OP was ment as a rant not that I believe they would change this. Hence the /endrant
I know better then that. I just finnaly got around to setting out my grav dom and was doing this and was like whoa. Looked at the power description and was even more amazed. I just didn't know it and was confused.
Like I said I know they won't change it. Who knows I might roll a mind in the future, but I'm working on other toons right now.
Also mel is right, grav doesn't suck in pvp, there r other things the set is usefull at that I've come to love. This post was never ment to imply otherwise. Just about 1 power in the set.
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When you pvp you either learn to use what a set offers or you roll a different toon. Its just the way it is.
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I think everyone knows that...
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Would I happily take the hold not causing -kb, hell yes. I am not saying it shouldn't change, I am saying it probably won't.
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Jesus [censored] Christ.
Your like a bunch of women.
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May I ask in what sexist manner you mean that phrase?
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
By this
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Your like a bunch of women.
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Do you mean they have a lower center of gravity on average?
Or a better ability to adapt to sudden shifts in equilibrium?
Or are you making a statement which might require action on my part?
Please let me know,
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I'm go with the tendency for the PvP crowd to be histrionic.
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Lead with wormhole????
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Actually pretty effective.
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Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level.
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mel has been doing test a lot longer than you. He even did back when the ladder was real. Probably best to investigate before popping off.
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not pop,
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I seem to recall a time not to long ago when this applied to you. Must be awesome to become a pvpec rep and join a ladder team in i13 and act like you are someone.
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Post when you lrn2post something that actually makes sense. My complaint is legitamite. Just because I'm not mind and don't want to be a drone and roll flavorfull toons doesn't mean that it isn't.
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Let me see if I got this right. You don't want to be a drone and roll mind. Yet you want grav to work like mind. I totally see your point. The previous sentence was sarcasm, please take it as such.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.