I'm gonna roll one. Wonder what the animation for AS is.
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I wondered that too. That was why I thought Conan the Librarian 
Pulls a sword out of nowhere and hacks a guy in two
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It depends on the sword you choose. an Actual Broadsword or Claymore which is Legacy is not really meant for finesse. a Rapier or Sabre is.
When I think swords I think of Knights in Full Plate with Kite shields hacking at each other. Of course my namesake character is a "Longsword" Scrapper and I usually concider him to be more of a fniesse user with that sword.
They both work but For the standard Stereotype it would make more sense to me to be a Brute and Tank set before a Stalker set. My first thought isn't someone wielding a Broadsword in a Dark Corner waiting to strike.
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Against knights in full plate, swords are generally a terrible choice of weapon exactly because they favor finesse over brute force (even claymores and the like), and thus have trouble causing any actual damage to the opponent. Maces, hammers, picks, even axes are better choices because they strike with more force.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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It depends on the sword you choose. an Actual Broadsword or Claymore which is Legacy is not really meant for finesse. a Rapier or Sabre is.
When I think swords I think of Knights in Full Plate with Kite shields hacking at each other. Of course my namesake character is a "Longsword" Scrapper and I usually concider him to be more of a fniesse user with that sword.
They both work but For the standard Stereotype it would make more sense to me to be a Brute and Tank set before a Stalker set. My first thought isn't someone wielding a Broadsword in a Dark Corner waiting to strike.
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Against knights in full plate, swords are generally a terrible choice of weapon exactly because they favor finesse over brute force (even claymores and the like), and thus have trouble causing any actual damage to the opponent. Maces, hammers, picks, even axes are better choices because they strike with more force.
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Interestingly enough, the reason why the broadsword was developed was specifically to solve the heavy armored target issue. Broadswords were specifically made to be significantly heavier towards the blade end than a traditional longsword specifically to make the weapon better suited for taking on heavily armored targets. This was done specifically by making the blade itself significantly wider, hence the term "broadsword" for a sword that is marked by having a broader, heavier blade.
If anything, it would make more sense for Brutes and Tankers to have broadswords, Scrappers to have longswords, and Stalkers to have rapiers or other long piercing swords. Broadswords were actually remarkably difficult to move around gracefully thanks to the excessive weight but longswords, which were actually weighted heavier in the hilt and pommel specifically for this purpose, were designed to be moved around in an adroit manner. Rapiers followed suit even farther than longswords though, rather than attempting to make the entire blade into a weapon, focused upon using only the last 6 inches to make precision strikes for light slashing but mostly piercing thrusts to important portions of the anatomy. Of course, rapiers weren't really much use against somebody in full plate armor, mainly because a rapier can't really do much to riveted steel with chain and leather as the nominal weak points within the confines of an actual melee.
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I'm gonna roll one. Wonder what the animation for AS is.
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Rehash of the Ninja Blade AS.
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Interestingly enough, the reason why the broadsword was developed was specifically to solve the heavy armored target issue. Broadswords were specifically made to be significantly heavier towards the blade end than a traditional longsword specifically to make the weapon better suited for taking on heavily armored targets. This was done specifically by making the blade itself significantly wider, hence the term "broadsword" for a sword that is marked by having a broader, heavier blade.
If anything, it would make more sense for Brutes and Tankers to have broadswords, Scrappers to have longswords, and Stalkers to have rapiers or other long piercing swords. Broadswords were actually remarkably difficult to move around gracefully thanks to the excessive weight but longswords, which were actually weighted heavier in the hilt and pommel specifically for this purpose, were designed to be moved around in an adroit manner. Rapiers followed suit even farther than longswords though, rather than attempting to make the entire blade into a weapon, focused upon using only the last 6 inches to make precision strikes for light slashing but mostly piercing thrusts to important portions of the anatomy. Of course, rapiers weren't really much use against somebody in full plate armor, mainly because a rapier can't really do much to riveted steel with chain and leather as the nominal weak points within the confines of an actual melee.
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Interesting read. And knowing is half the battle!
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Rehash of the Ninja Blade AS.
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We had to make one new animation for Broadsword Stalkers
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As per BaB.
Broadsword???? I want mace! WRENCH LURKER!!!
Probably they needed a new animation because not all of the Broadsword models can accomodate two hands on the hilt. At least I seem to recall that being the reason for the limited selection of swords for katana and ninja blade when weapon customization was rolled out.
In any case, I agree with the earlier sentiment: There are a number of Broadsword models that would work just fine for a Stalker concept, if you care about such things. The Tsoo 'katana' for one. That might be the same blade used by the Knives too... not sure. Longsword, Fantasy Sword, Roman swords. The Valkyrie blade looks good too.
Also worth pointing out that while realistically a broadsword was more difficult to swing than a longsword, we ARE talking about superheroes (er... villains) here. Just because there isn't a Stalker primary "Super Strength" doesn't mean your villain isn't stronger than a normal human being.
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Also worth pointing out that while realistically a broadsword was more difficult to swing than a longsword, we ARE talking about superheroes (er... villains) here. Just because there isn't a Stalker primary "Super Strength" doesn't mean your villain isn't stronger than a normal human being.
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The important part concerning the difference between a broadsword and a longsword in real life isn't the actual weight. A well made Katana will weigh substantially more than a European longsword, often by up to a full pound (25-33%) yet it is still substantially easier to swing. This is because of the center of balance for the blade. A broadsword's center of balance is actually substantially farther from the guard (which is where the point of "perfect balance" is generally considered to be) which means that the weapon itself will generate greater levels of torque. Torque is wonderful for getting a powerful swing out of a weapon, as is evidenced by axes, maces, and other end weighted weapons that are renowned for their ability to punch through heavy armor, but it's actually more difficult to move around quickly for the exact same reason: the weapon has greater leverage against you to prevent it from being moved. Pommelstones made from heavy materials like lead were used by many swords (and even other weapons, like the Spartan spears) expressly for this reason: it increased the weight of the sword but made it easier to swing because the center of balance was closer to the axis of movement.
What? I like archaic combat.
We should really leave the profileration squee-ing to the AT forums.
This isn't squeeing, this is a discussion about whether BS is thematically appropriate for Stalkers, at least moreso than for Brutes.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Garrett from the Thief games uses an arming sword which is pretty close to a broadsword.
Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
Knives of Artemis.
Discussion over. 
Actually I think Garrets weapon is closer to a Longsword. And in Deadly Shadows he used a dagger.
I don't see any reason why Broadsword can't work thematically for Stalkers, especially compared to something like Electric Armor.
Although I would have rather seen Ice Melee.
I'm also a bit upset about Broadsword because I personally don't see the need for it since Stalkers already have Ninja Blade.
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SQUEEEE SQUEEE SQUEEEEEEEE!!!
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Actually I think Garrets weapon is closer to a Longsword.
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No, it's an Arming Sword, which is usually confused with a Longsword or a Broadsword. Regardless, it's a sword used by Stalker-like character.
Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
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Also, I imagine that the new animations for MA are a street fighter type dealio. Punches, hopefully.
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If that's the case then I'm going to be one happy son of a [censored].
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HADOKEN!
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That's very likely the ONE thing they won't get, as it's an energy fireball and a ranged attack, to boot. I am almost positive, however, that we're going to get a version of the Shoryken. Count on it.
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Actually I think Garrets weapon is closer to a Longsword.
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No, it's an Arming Sword, which is usually confused with a Longsword or a Broadsword. Regardless, it's a sword used by Stalker-like character.
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Considering the Broadsword powerset has access to weapons anywhere from a greatsword to a short sword, with a longsword in between, I'd say this is very much a no-brainer for Stalkers. I'm interested to see what the Assassin's Strike animation will be, though I fully expect it will be a copy of Ninja Blade's animation. It's the rest of the "Urk!" swing animations that will look really cute on a Stalker
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Actually I think Garrets weapon is closer to a Longsword.
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No, it's an Arming Sword, which is usually confused with a Longsword or a Broadsword. Regardless, it's a sword used by Stalker-like character.
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I think the more important question is the method in which it is used. If it's used by the character in the slow, powerhouse cleaving motions that would espouse a heavier sword, then I'd question its application. If he's using it in a faster fencing style that places greater emphasis on thrusts than slashes, than I use it as a point of evidence.
Either way, I can easily see Broadsword Stalkers making sense just as much as Katana Stalkers do. A katana is no more stealthy than a broadsword and is just as cumbersome, though slightly easier to wield (thanks to superior balance). The important thing to remember, in my opinion, is that Assassination is less about precise strikes and more about "you weren't prepared for this so I kill you", which means that the weapon is less important than the method in which it is used. As long as you can deliver a reasonably stealthy attack with it (and you can deliver a quiet attack with a large heavy weapon), then it would make sense for a Stalker to have it. The only attacks that wouldn't really make sense for a Stalker would be those that actually generate a large amount of noise at all times rather than simply upon contact.
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No, it's an Arming Sword, which is usually confused with a Longsword or a Broadsword. Regardless, it's a sword used by Stalker-like character.
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Considering the Broadsword powerset has access to weapons anywhere from a greatsword to a short sword, with a longsword in between, I'd say this is very much a no-brainer for Stalkers. I'm interested to see what the Assassin's Strike animation will be, though I fully expect it will be a copy of Ninja Blade's animation. It's the rest of the "Urk!" swing animations that will look really cute on a Stalker
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Not to mention a scimitar and a lightsaber.
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... Rapiers followed suit even farther than longswords though, rather than attempting to make the entire blade into a weapon, focused upon using only the last 6 inches to make precision strikes for light slashing but mostly piercing thrusts to important portions of the anatomy. Of course, rapiers weren't really much use against somebody in full plate armor, mainly because a rapier can't really do much to riveted steel with chain and leather as the nominal weak points within the confines of an actual melee.
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Rapiers were also mostly designed and used after the introduction of portable firearms to the European battlefield and soldiers started moving away from suits of full plate towards lighter forms of protection. Full suits of plate armour, though still in use, were considered more decorative than practical as they were no match to those early firearms.
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*Stalker gently taps on shoulder*
*Stalker withdraws Broadword from back, PUMMELS target over head as with a shovel*
In all seriousness, probably will be a crouch animation with a forward motion of the sword...now if we could get Shield Defense so we could hide behind the shield and go BOO!
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The Roman Gladius is pretty small.
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You mean the Roman Toothpick?
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My First thought was why weren't they giving this to Brutes.
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Probably because of Parry. Same with Tankers, to a larger degree.
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One-handed swords like broadswords, longswords, etc., are typically much more elegant than maces or axes. Thematically Broadsword fits Stalkers much better than Brutes.
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It depends on the sword you choose. an Actual Broadsword or Claymore which is Legacy is not really meant for finesse. a Rapier or Sabre is.
When I think swords I think of Knights in Full Plate with Kite shields hacking at each other. Of course my namesake character is a "Longsword" Scrapper and I usually concider him to be more of a fniesse user with that sword.
They both work but For the standard Stereotype it would make more sense to me to be a Brute and Tank set before a Stalker set. My first thought isn't someone wielding a Broadsword in a Dark Corner waiting to strike.
EDIT: to be clear I am not raging against it for Stalkers. he more I think on it the more examples I can come up with. It just seems like it would be more natural for Brutes to have received them. Especally since they have been asking for it along with Tanks. to my knowledge Stalkers haven't really expressed a desire for Broadswords.