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Actually, I've been thinking about it....
I don't think Defender Trap debuff/buff values will be different from MM/Corruptor's because if it is, then the dev will have to adjust Corruptor's version as well.
So basically, Defender will be having a Secondary as strong as Mastermind's. Good luck.
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I for one would welcome a buff to corr traps. It would be one of the first times I've been actively playing a set that would see a positive change. The last time was my fire armor brute when they changed healing flames.
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Yeah, this Defender Trap could be the reason for the dev to look at Trap again. I mean it takes them 3-4 years to finally realize that Corruptor is paying more endurance. That wasn't a "buff", it was a "fix".
Well, hopefully Defender players can get the dev to buff Traps for Corr/Defender. MM's version is fine.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I love the idea of traps... but even as a hero... I'm slightly sad that we cant use detonator. I can see the pitch for it now!
Got a noobicanner? aura r0x3r? retarded <insert AT here>? Well now theres a fix for that, defenders can now make there team members explode! Make someone... well... more useful. Also to think, our inherent would be of better use!
Sorry sorry... thinking out loud there XD
Dreaded Wail hits things freakin' hard.. i like to hit things freakin' hard... so.. id go Wail... SAVE THE WAILS!!!! - Solar_Lunata
Detonation could be set to be a "yes/no" buff. It could be called "self-sacrfice" or something...lolz.
Serious a Sonic or Dark /Traps is starting to look good to me.
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
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It's...true...
That means
Sonic/AR! here I come!
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Kinetics/AR here >.>
50s: Bla- Arch/Mental Cont- Mind/FF, Earth/Cold, Ill/Therm, Earth/Rad Dominator- Plant/Psi, Elec/Earth Corr- Fire/Storm, Arch/Sonic, Rad/Kin, Beam/Sonic, Psi/Time Stalker- Elec/SR Def- Storm/Dark, Emp/Psi, Dark/Elec, FF/Arch, TA/Ice, TA/Elec, Kin/AR, Cold/DP, Traps/Psi Scrap- Fire/Shield Tanker- Dark/Mace, Ice/Kin Brute- Claws/WP, SS/Energy, BS/Elec
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My ( wholly unsubstantiated ) hope is that they'll decide to make Triage Beacon mobile, for Defenders and everyone else.
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Or find some way of reducing its recharge time and endurance cost so you can redeploy it as you go.
Regeneration Aura: +500% regen for 90s, 500s recharge, 26 end cost
Triage Beacon: +150% regen for 90s, 200s recharge, 13 end cost
Based on a rough comparison to Regeneration Aura, a reduction in Triage Beacon's base recharge to 150s and base end cost to 7.8, for all ATs, should be fine. No need to change the buff, duration, or pet limit to compensate. 30% of the effect, 30% of the recharge and end cost, fair right?
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But hey, at least I'll be able to take Radiation Blast and color it red when I16 hits and "pretend". Still not the same though.
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Fixed. Not that I'm planning on doing that. Maybe. -cough- >_>
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Sheesh, from the sound of this thread it's like Traps will have the first defender primary powers ever to not be better for defenders than for other ATs. 
But it's a good point. Let's see how the set changes in a direct port with new defender-scaled pets, and work from there.
Web Grenade: 25% more immobilize duration, -62.5% rechspd/runspd instead of -50%
Caltrops: -100% runspd instead of -80%
Acid Mortar: -27% resist instead of -20%, -25% or -33% defense instead of -20% (depending on whether we use corruptors or masterminds as the "base")
FFG: +13% defense instead of +10%, 33% more status protection magnitude
Poison Trap/Poison Gas: 25% more hold duration, -37.5% recharge instead of -30%
Seeker Drones/FlashPulse: 25% more stun duration, -6% or -8% tohit instead of -5% (depending on corruptor/mastermind "base"), -25% or -33% damage instead of -20% (ditto)
... so, yeah, I can see how new scaled pets are going to be important. Without them, the only thing that gets better for defenders in a direct port is Web Grenade.
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regen bonus will be the same, since that's not affected by AT modifiers
however, forget traps (I know I'll play one at some point)
TA/AR here I come! about time!
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I wouldn't be surprised if that combination was disalowed. You can't make Trick Arrow/Assault Rifle custom enemies, after all.
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Kinetics/AR here >.>
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Quick Clip?
The Muzzle Flash?
Rick O'Shea?
Personally, I'd rather have Poison/Toxic Blast, or Fire/Fire...
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Redraw on almost every single attack? Ewwww.
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Corruptors can do one "better".
AR/TA/Mace.
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Or 'Hammerspace'
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regen bonus will be the same, since that's not affected by AT modifiers
however, forget traps (I know I'll play one at some point)
TA/AR here I come! about time!
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I wouldn't be surprised if that combination was disalowed. You can't make Trick Arrow/Assault Rifle custom enemies, after all.
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That's only because MA enemies can't have more than one of any weapon set.
We can make Merc/TA or Bots/TA Masterminds with two weapons after all.
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regen bonus will be the same, since that's not affected by AT modifiers
however, forget traps (I know I'll play one at some point)
TA/AR here I come! about time!
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I wouldn't be surprised if that combination was disalowed. You can't make Trick Arrow/Assault Rifle custom enemies, after all.
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That's only because MA enemies can't have more than one of any weapon set.
We can make Merc/TA or Bots/TA Masterminds with two weapons after all.
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Indeed. I had a short-lived joke character called Rambo 20X6 who was a petless Bots/TA MM. And while Assault Rifle just isn't the same, I'd consider rolling him again as a Defender just for kicks.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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It's...true...
That means
Sonic/AR! here I come!
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Kinetics/AR here >.>
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Quick Clip?
The Muzzle Flash?
Rick O'Shea?
Personally, I'd rather have Poison/Toxic Blast, or Fire/Fire...
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To each their own, personally I'm excited about it.
50s: Bla- Arch/Mental Cont- Mind/FF, Earth/Cold, Ill/Therm, Earth/Rad Dominator- Plant/Psi, Elec/Earth Corr- Fire/Storm, Arch/Sonic, Rad/Kin, Beam/Sonic, Psi/Time Stalker- Elec/SR Def- Storm/Dark, Emp/Psi, Dark/Elec, FF/Arch, TA/Ice, TA/Elec, Kin/AR, Cold/DP, Traps/Psi Scrap- Fire/Shield Tanker- Dark/Mace, Ice/Kin Brute- Claws/WP, SS/Energy, BS/Elec
I was hoping for thermal/fire as well. Oh well.
Yeah, it would have been nice to get a defender secondary with some real teeth.
Support Guides for all Corruptor secondaries and Fortunatas
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The Melee Teaming Guide for Melee Mans
I'm definitely going to make a traps/* as soon as I16 comes out but I am really curious to see what the devs do with the set. After having a lvl 40 AR/traps corruptor I am a big fan of traps but I am also very aware of its weaknesses. Early on a traps defender will probably play a lot like a weak /devices blaster the set really doesnt take off until u get acid mortar and FFG imo. If its a straight port of the corruptor version, traps will be pretty lackluster.
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the set really doesnt take off until u get acid mortar and FFG imo.
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FFG, the later of the two powers, becoming available at 8...
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Why /duel is a bad idea
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I'd rather get Thermal and Fire Blast, but I suppose AR/Traps will have to do for now.
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fixed as I know many people will be saying "It's a tarp!"
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Haven't played my other trap toons since the change to poision trap. I really liked the set before the change, but without the hold from poision I didn't seem to have the protection I did before the change.
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Haven't played my other trap toons since the change to poision trap. I really liked the set before the change, but without the hold from poision I didn't seem to have the protection I did before the change.
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Agreed. If it was really just procs that were the issue there were better ways to deal with that rather than breaking the entire power. Now you're lucky if it manages to hold minions even.
Several months later and it's still broken, just as expected. Of course since it was a little-used set to begin with any chance of a real fix is probably several issues away. Rather surprises me that Defenders are getting it ported over at all.
Let's not forget that in it's current form, Traps isn't too bad.
Issue 16: Panic in Atlas Park as virtual heroes are confronted with a sudden influx of non-healer defenders. WILL FARMING SURVIVE?
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Haven't played my other trap toons since the change to poision trap. I really liked the set before the change, but without the hold from poision I didn't seem to have the protection I did before the change.
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Agreed. If it was really just procs that were the issue there were better ways to deal with that rather than breaking the entire power. Now you're lucky if it manages to hold minions even.
Several months later and it's still broken, just as expected. Of course since it was a little-used set to begin with any chance of a real fix is probably several issues away. Rather surprises me that Defenders are getting it ported over at all.
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With my current slotting I can still hold/migrate a lot of damage, but not like I could before the change and needs a lot more slots and different IOs. Yes the procs broke the set. I agree with Amy_Amp, the set is still good, just not the glory I used to have with the set.
Maybe they will fix it when it is ported? *ouch ouch* No more rocks *ouch ouch*
It's a TRAP! -Admiral Ackbar
D: Toss me a hai @DarkNat My Fify glory: Renzer Dark/Dark Corr., Renzro Dark/Dark Def., Amartasu Dark/Dark Scrap.Less important ones: Fire/Fire Blaster,Ice/Ice Blaster,Ele/Ele Brute, Mind/Storm Troll,Fire/Kin Corr.,Bots/FF MM., DB/Regen Scrap.
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Actually, I've been thinking about it....
I don't think Defender Trap debuff/buff values will be different from MM/Corruptor's because if it is, then the dev will have to adjust Corruptor's version as well.
So basically, Defender will be having a Secondary as strong as Mastermind's. Good luck.
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I for one would welcome a buff to corr traps. It would be one of the first times I've been actively playing a set that would see a positive change. The last time was my fire armor brute when they changed healing flames.