Release Notes for Build 19.20090702.4T - 7/15/09
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Posted on: 2009-07-14 15:01 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
And when u DO get a drop, is there another timer for that?
i sent you a pm with a rough explanation of rep rules.
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For the sake of arguement what IS griefing then? :P What is the stone cold definition of it? o.o
-C.A.
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Hopefully some idiot will liken it to reckless driving or some other completely inapplicable real world analogy and Posi will latch onto it as though his job depends on it.
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i sent you a pm with a rough explanation of rep rules.
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thx 300 and reply sent
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If you PvP on a low pop server and the drops are that rare than no one will have the PvP IO on the low pop server and there will not be any balance issues. I can see the main reason people farmed them in the arena is to sell them for outrageous prices on the market.
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Quite right. I say thank you for this "nerf", serves them right ^^
Course thats just my opinion, PVP needs to be brought back to the masses and make the rest of us folks who wanta play the game survivable in the zones if we want to get the badges 
-C.A.
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Let me guess, want to compete with the people that put in the time and effort to be better, but you don't want to any of that?
Looks about right to me judging from your statement.
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As far as EZ mode? Why should I be crippled in order to advance my SG's base power supply? I HAVE to go into those zones in order to get the next power station. No if's ands or buts. but they don't HAVE to come to ours for anything except the market generally.
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Ahhh, I was right, you are one of THOSE people.
Missing patch note.
Fixed the missing longbow ambushes in mayhem missions.
It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba
Thank GAWD they fixed doms. While I would love to have you all on Freedom pvping there is no reason anyone should have to change their server due to a quick solution from our dev team.
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[*]Removed Mending Mitochondria from Devouring Earth enemy group.
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FINALLY!
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Actually, i would prefer if they fixed the exploit, as in making the mitos act in levels other than 50. But, as always, its easier to also hit those that used the mitos without exploiting then.
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<ul type="square">[*]Power of Black Scorpion (Mastermind Version) now has the correct targeting information and help text. It also now works correctly when used on Reichsman. This power prevents Reichsman from using his Unbreakable power. If it is used while Reichsman is Unbreakable, it will prevent Reichsman from using it again.[/list]
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Verified! Worked like a charm!
Also, we did get the merit boost. That might need to be added to the patch notes. Barracuda Strike Force is now 30 merits.
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Attacking someone repeatedly could be construded as griefing especially if they announce their intentions in a civil manner in english :P The only thing gained from any pvp attack is a reputation increase and now recently a recipie. Every five minutes? Fine o.0 But since you attack a person over and over, the ONLY thing you get from it is the satisfaction of impeeding their progress.
Unless I'm mistaken, what else do you fet out of it reward wise?
However, we managed to get some civil pvpers to come over and beat on them while we worked on our base
-C.A.
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UM-- SO not a hardcore PvPer, but...No? This is almost as wrong as complaining because the street mobs in Mercy try to gank you as you run across the zone to a door mish.
We had exactly the same thing happen- granted, they didn't keep attacking us CONSTANTLY- mostly because we kept sending their butts to the hospital. It was actually kind of a nice break from the 'trigger the MM's bots when she drops team, stand still and melt' routine. We got a couple of good scraps in and STILL got the generator for the group.
It's a PvP zone. expect to get attacked.
The other side of that argument, of course, is several times I've gotten snarked at by folks who wanted their duels to be private, and got real upset when I crashed the party...possibly because they were worried about their rep, or their drops? Sorry, guys, can't argue it both ways. If you're in a PvP zone, you might get attacked. Deal.
Things to remember:
-Common sense ain't;
-Overkill is the only kill;
-If someone asks if you're a god, run away.
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Who says you HAVE to transfer EVERY character you have? Oops, there I go, telling you how you have to play. Sorry.
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Freedom's a horrible server anyhow. Its hardly a solution to tell people "omg, just leave the server you like to satusfy a gameplay type that the devs fail utterly at"
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If their server is the problem, perhaps they should leave was the advice in a nutshell, if it's not the server, then it's the person, unless there's a third party to blame (usually people will blame the devs :P)
-C.A.
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except in this case, the devs made a stupid change. So yes, blaming the devs is appropriate.
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The devs tend to make changes based on data, not just throwing a dart. Perhaps if someone messaged a dev instead of calling them out into the open like some sort of BARFIGHT, you'd get a better response? o.0
-C.A.
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The devs happen to still be human. they make mistakes. And like many humans, they refuse to deal with their mistakes.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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pvp and cov will never mix for me. it's just not hardcore enough and how the whole game works... it's a straight to dvd movie where other games and I'm not even talking about mmorpgs, is where the real fighting players is at. I like the pve better. I wish they'd have just had completely separate servers for it so it didn't ruin the "balance" of powers in the pve game.
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It wasn't? My sg went ti a secluded area and just smacked each other 750 times, and save a few people trying to give us a hard time by griefing us, we got it in maybe an hour?
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Yeah cause ya know attacking someone in a PvP zone is considered griefing
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Attacking someone repeatedly could be construded as griefing especially if they announce their intentions in a civil manner in english :P The only thing gained from any pvp attack is a reputation increase and now recently a recipie. Every five minutes? Fine o.0 But since you attack a person over and over, the ONLY thing you get from it is the satisfaction of impeeding their progress.
Unless I'm mistaken, what else do you fet out of it reward wise?
However, we managed to get some civil pvpers to come over and beat on them while we worked on our base
-C.A.
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No.
You're in the zone you're a target.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Who says you HAVE to transfer EVERY character you have? Oops, there I go, telling you how you have to play. Sorry.
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Nah just get PL'd on Freedom or Infinity.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
Guys there is no reason to complain about PvP drops, in a few weeks there will be a proliferation of knowledge about how to get around these silly timers, I for one intend to find out how to do this.
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If you PvP on a low pop server and the drops are that rare than no one will have the PvP IO on the low pop server and there will not be any balance issues. I can see the main reason people farmed them in the arena is to sell them for outrageous prices on the market.
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Quite right. I say thank you for this "nerf", serves them right ^^
Course thats just my opinion, PVP needs to be brought back to the masses and make the rest of us folks who wanta play the game survivable in the zones if we want to get the badges
-C.A.
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Let me guess, want to compete with the people that put in the time and effort to be better, but you don't want to any of that?
Looks about right to me judging from your statement.
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I'm not quite understanding your statement / question there, can you rephrase? o.0
And I'll notice no one's brought back a definition for griefing :P
You guys are very rabid when it comes to your pvp, thats admirable, I might add It's good to be passionate about something. Though I think your emotions get in the way of alot of things, mainly your ego. Which isn't a fault, as a pvper you NEED ego if I'm understanding your ways?
You don't seem to look at it from the other perspectives I've presented however, and do not possess the want or desire to do so. THAT being said, I'll end my part in this thread, and leave you to argue how pvp is being hurt more
Safe Travels
Regards,
-C.A.
Griefing: you will know it when you see it lol
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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pvp's last night with new patch for 3 hours straight was a 4 on 6 us on the team of 4. got a total of 14 rep out of 3 hours of steady back and forth. No one on our team got a drop at all.
Unless I am mistaken with each rep kill all 4 of us on the team get a chance, for a chance to get a drop.
As in team mate "A" kills enemy "B" to trigger rep. this kill allows each of us on a team to get a chance for a dop. butr since we are on a team that chance is diluted between us all.
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And I'll notice no one's brought back a definition for griefing :P
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We don't need a definition, we aren't the ones whining about getting attacked in a pvp zone.
But here you go
Definition: anything you think is griefing in pve is ok in pvp.
Off the top of my head here's what you can't do "legally" while pvp'ing:
-use map glitches.
-verbally assault anyone (ie racist comments).
Anything else you might think constitutes griefing does not and you are wrong.
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pvp's last night with new patch for 3 hours straight was a 4 on 6 us on the team of 4. got a total of 14 rep out of 3 hours of steady back and forth. No one on our team got a drop at all.
Unless I am mistaken with each rep kill all 4 of us on the team get a chance, for a chance to get a drop.
As in team mate "A" kills enemy "B" to trigger rep. this kill allows each of us on a team to get a chance for a dop. butr since we are on a team that chance is diluted between us all.
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From the studios that brought you i13 this honestly sounds like it is WAI 
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pvp's last night with new patch for 3 hours straight was a 4 on 6 us on the team of 4. got a total of 14 rep out of 3 hours of steady back and forth. No one on our team got a drop at all.
Unless I am mistaken with each rep kill all 4 of us on the team get a chance, for a chance to get a drop.
As in team mate "A" kills enemy "B" to trigger rep. this kill allows each of us on a team to get a chance for a dop. butr since we are on a team that chance is diluted between us all.
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I think the Developers will see that the drops need to be changed after a few days/weeks of virtually no drops now that this patch is live. I'd expect a patch/change at that point. It seems they would rather see the results of their most recent patch before correcting what appears to be very obvious mistakes to most forum posters.
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pvp's last night with new patch for 3 hours straight was a 4 on 6 us on the team of 4. got a total of 14 rep out of 3 hours of steady back and forth. No one on our team got a drop at all.
Unless I am mistaken with each rep kill all 4 of us on the team get a chance, for a chance to get a drop.
As in team mate "A" kills enemy "B" to trigger rep. this kill allows each of us on a team to get a chance for a dop. butr since we are on a team that chance is diluted between us all.
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I think the Developers will see that the drops need to be changed after a few days/weeks of virtually no drops now that this patch is live. I'd expect a patch/change at that point. It seems they would rather see the results of their most recent patch before correcting what appears to be very obvious mistakes to most forum posters.
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6 months to a year at the earliest. Or sometime after they fix the COP.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
I�! I�! Gg�gorsch�a�bha egurtsa�ar�ug d� Dalhor! Cthluhu fthagn! Cthluhu fthagn!
You are in a maze of twisty little passages
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pvp and cov will never mix for me. it's just not hardcore enough and how the whole game works... it's a straight to dvd movie where other games and I'm not even talking about mmorpgs, is where the real fighting players is at. I like the pve better. I wish they'd have just had completely separate servers for it so it didn't ruin the "balance" of powers in the pve game.
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Endorsed.
I wish dev teams could have summits w/ dev teams from other games (at least teh NCsoft ones). Maybe learn from each other.
A PvP server would satisfy most of the complaints voiced here. If you make a toon on such a server, you'll know what to expect.
Warburg and Bloody Bay could become hazard zones. I don't mind a challenge to get something worthwhile. But if my brute has to drag a scientist along while a stalker and corr continually take shots w/out killing me, it becomes a drag.
I finally dropped my armor and stood there, letting them kill me. Took awhile but they finally asked "So uh you don't wanna fight?" Players who try such a kill are simply Pvping. If they repeatedly do it, then they are just hyperactive nuisances.
But back to learning from other MMO dev teams. My gf and I went to another game for awhile, when we got bored w/ this one. The one w/out a subscription, since mentioning names is frowned on. I was laughing when I tried the PvP there. My gf asked why. I said "This is so much fun!"
PvP in and of itself is not bad. Just the way it's been implemented and shoehorned into this game.
Im a lil unclear about the 5 min timer thing. If u kill someone and get rep, the 5 min timer starts but does it effect killing other ppl? If i kill someone else 2 min later is there a chance for a drop? or a 3rd person a min later?