Too evil to be considered good?
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Biowraith,
Posted on: 2009-07-13 16:15 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Redefine it as "Nausea Field" or something to that effect? Actually, you might not need to change the naming at all. Just because something is poisonous doesn't mean it has to be lethal.
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Redefine it as "Nausea Field" or something to that effect?
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That would actually make a good Sonic Resonance power.
Er... if a Poison Trap is too evil, how come heroes get Poison Gas Arrow?
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The devs said (when power proliferation was first being talked about and around the time that they announced which sets) that heroes wouldn't get Poison and villains wouldn't get Empathy.
Traps, on the other hand, wasn't ever mentioned.
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Besides, here in RL we have Tear Gas, a substance that is commonly used in Law Enforcement that is, in effect, poisonous. Basically this is our beloved Poison Gas Arrow.
So, thin though this case may be, an arguement could be made for a "heroic" poison set.
As always, unless a Dev says it, it's all speculation.
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Poison is too evil, but it's perfectly okay to run around with a broadsword cleaving people in half everywhere I go?
Ah but its assumed that, because you're a hero, you're actually hitting them with the flat of the blade to "subdue" them.
Still doesn't explain my ability to blast them across town with a single powerbolt.
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Just axe a few of the more questionable debuffs like Neurotoxic Breath and Paralytic Poison for buffs. It worked for Pain Domination.
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The basic arguement works for those two as well. Neither is inherently 'evil' any more than the multitudes of way to burn, blast, chop, mind-melt, ect. that heroes already have available. It's all just a bit of redefinition.
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Just change its graphics a bit, change some of the values, and rename it Chemical Mastery.
It cant be worse than Radiation! Come on... we not only got the baddies on jail... We also make then sterille and give then cancer!
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OK, for every theory there are going to be exceptions. Besides, this could just be thought of as "Really Bad Headache".... unless I actually see a head roll a random 2d6 feet away (old RPG reference there. +4 geek points if you know it) it could still be considered non-lethal.
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Tear gas is neither poisonous nor a gas. It is an aerosolized compound that irritates the mucous membranes.
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I always made the assumption they put things back together with a team of empaths once they were sent to jail.
I'm pretty sure my Talsorian Broadsword doesn't have a 'flat' side, what with being made out of energy...
Agreed, and I was taking liberties there to illustrate a point. The way the body reacts to it however, is similar to the reaction to a poison.
Of course, people react to hot peppers that way too. Hey, "Hot Pepper Trap". There we go.
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Poison trap. The one power ingame that if possible, i would have on every single character because it is that good.
However is it also the one power ingame that could truely be considered too evil to be heroic? Villains now have an evil version of empathy, so is it about time heroes got poison trap?
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The game does rest in a grey area (How does one 'arrest' with a sword?) Poisons aren't quite so grey.
In the real world, shooting someone with a gun is Assault with a Deadly Weapon. Tip your bullets with poison, it immediately becomes Attempted Murder. By poisoning your target, your motivation was to kill in the eyes of the law.
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The original Sandman, Wesley Dodds, used sleeping gas to disable opponents.
Much nicer than using a katana or breathing fire on someone. 
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OK, for every theory there are going to be exceptions. Besides, this could just be thought of as "Really Bad Headache".... unless I actually see a head roll a random 2d6 feet away (old RPG reference there. +4 geek points if you know it) it could still be considered non-lethal.
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(roll your dex +2 -AC penalty to avoid the head or take 1d4 dmg, save vs disease +1 to avoid the plague)
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OK, for every theory there are going to be exceptions. Besides, this could just be thought of as "Really Bad Headache".... unless I actually see a head roll a random 2d6 feet away (old RPG reference there. +4 geek points if you know it) it could still be considered non-lethal.
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I don't think any of the redside Poison powers (including Traps' contribution) are any more evil / less heroic than most of the Radiation powers; I can't imagine suffering from radiation poisoning is any more fun than suffering from regular poisoning. The latter even uses words like "lethal" while the former never goes beyond "nasty" or "viciously".
I duno, the entire set of fire blast.. I mean, have you seen burn victims IRL? Its terrible. I dont see how anyne could blast someone with fire withou that kind of effect.
I mea, we could always say we're using rubber bullets with assault rifle, but fire blast would have a pretty nasty effect all round.
I would say that it is actually one of the most hero oriented sets.
Many of the poisons you get are beneficial and none are lethal.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Redefine it as "Nausea Field" or something to that effect?
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That would actually make a good Sonic Resonance power.
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It already was. It was called Sonic Dispersion and it only affected allied Players with sensitivity to flickering.
If anything I'd consider Noxious Gas to be far more evil. I mean, infecting your own ally with poison and sending him in to essentially be a kamikaze poison dispenser? And what about Detonator in Traps? I suppose with that one the henchman at least tries to get rid of the bomb... Noxious Gas is just straight up evil. Which brings me to a question: how well are Masterminds going to translate as Heroes come Going Rogue?
Poison trap. The one power ingame that if possible, i would have on every single character because it is that good.
However is it also the one power ingame that could truely be considered too evil to be heroic? Villains now have an evil version of empathy, so is it about time heroes got poison trap?