Suggestion to solve the problem of the AE noobs
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Adult_Swim,
Posted on: 2009-07-12 14:53 in Mission Architect
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What do we do about the people who got to 50 the traditional way and have been playing since beta and suck?
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We'll always have those, its not like they have gone away or will go away. I'm worried about all the good/great/amazing players who are getting a poor start in the game and have no clue there is much more to it.
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Then make an active effort to invite them to teams outside the AE?
Be [censored] constructive about it, don't whine on the forums about "omg the ae is ebil wut can we dooo"
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I have a quick suggestion to solve the problem of brand new people getting characters to lvl 50 and not knowing how to play the game - make MA only available to people who already have a level 50 character (like the epic ATs). That way new people coming to the game have to play the game before farming their way to lvl 50.
What do you all think?
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No.
I've been here for 36 months and still do not have a level 50, partly because this game encourages making alts 
and partly because I have no wish to rush through the content. I like to enjoy the journey and take my time.
This is yet another extreme measure to address a "problem" that is not nearly as bad as some folks like to think it is.
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(Guess I lied, here's another response) I totally agree with you B_Witched - the suggestion I made originally (albeit not the greatest) wouldn't affect players like you at all.
To Grae - that's a small % of the player base, like others have said, you'll never get rid of that, plus, sucking at playing a character is all in the eye of the beholder - you might think a person sucks, another might think he's good, no one is right and both people are right at the same time.
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Uh. trust me.
If an Invuln/SS tanker is level 50. Has the stealth pool, waited till 38 to get his aggro aura, skipped rage entirely, and has 18 months worth of vet badges, i don't care what his friend joebob the pure empath thinks about his playskills, he's still a horrible player.
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Though that would be widely accepted as building a character poorly, it could be argued that those choices were made based on playstyle or concept (just playing the devil's advocate here).
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It's surely not your decision if someone should play AE or not or how fast they reach level 50!
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No, but it surely is the decision of the developers who have clearly stated they are keeping a close eye on AE created farms and exploits. You go right on PLing your toons to 50 in under 20 hours though. We'll all be smiling when they get locked or rolled back on your account.
And in case you haven't realized yet, those "speed-to-50" farms and exploits are going to get AE nerfed hard, so your actions do affect everyone.
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They obviously have not been watching them that hard. The mito farms have been around now over a week. It is obviously a major design oversight that needs to be taken care of but they sure are dragging their feet about it. One would even think this would be such a major bug that they would shut AE down until it is fixed.
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which is silly because a good team on a 54 boss farm gets much better results. But you have to have a good team, players who know their rolls and how to use thier toons (oh and have ios etc..).
it's not an exploit is is very very difficult and challenges a good player.
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which is silly because a good team on a 54 boss farm gets much better results. But you have to have a good team, players who know their rolls and how to use thier toons (oh and have ios etc..).
it's not an exploit is is very very difficult and challenges a good player.
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This, this, this. I ran a 54 boss farm with a 22 invuln tank who was absolutely top-notch. He only had a couple vet badges and no IO sets, but he still held aggro like a champ, picking up strays and keeping a good pace for the team. Then tonight I tried running a similar mission with a 50 rock tank (IOed out the wazoo) who has been playing for two years yet still doesn't understand that herding up over 30 mobs puts them over the aggro cap.
You cannot judge a player by the number of badges, subscription time, or any other metric save *possibly* power choices. But the only sure way to know is to team with them, although even then, what if they just were having a bad day? That's what we learn from statistics: that the experiences of one person are not enough data to reach an accurate conclusion. So everyone arguing that AE is doing this, that, or the other thing: you don't know. I don't know either - no player does - and without an independent analysis of their datamining we can't even be sure that the devs know. But I will say this: I've been playing this game for four years, and I don't see much difference between doing laps on the Steel Canyon map in AE and trudging through the same office/warehouse a dozen times in a night. If the players are actually fighting, there really isn't anything significant that separates the two. If the devs want to discourage farming then they need to rethink how their mission system works, because their straightforward missions - only one solution, no branching, reading mission text is unnecessary - has helped create the farming mentality. Well, that and the ridiculous cost of IO sets...
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There is only one solution to the "problem" of level 50 noobs: Don't team with them. There. That was easy. Now they're not your problem.
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If they hadn't become a level 50 noob, there's a good chance they could've been worthwhile teammates.
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There is only one solution to the "problem" of level 50 noobs: Don't team with them. There. That was easy. Now they're not your problem.
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If they hadn't become a level 50 noob, there's a good chance they could've been worthwhile teammates.
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No, they wouldn't have. See, in my mind, you have to earn the title of "noob." You do this by displaying the attitude of entitlement that the kinds of people who want level 50 NAO have. The same attitude that has them convinced they are entitled to stand there and mooch off higher level people's boss farms also tells them they deserve a spot on your team, just because they asked.
Now people without this attitude, who simply are new to the game, I call them "newbies" and will gladly give them a spot on my team, as long as they are willing to earn that spot by contributing to the best of their ability and learn from the experience. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they are learning something and want to help the team makes up for them not being great players. Of course, the fact that said people are generally found on lower-level teams where the pace is somewhat slower and the game is more forgiving doesn't hurt.
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There is only one solution to the "problem" of level 50 noobs: Don't team with them. There. That was easy. Now they're not your problem.
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If they hadn't become a level 50 noob, there's a good chance they could've been worthwhile teammates.
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Not really.
If theyre the type to not ask questions, hit 50, and refuise to take advice because theyre 50, they would have been a worthless idiot either way.
the AE doesnt magically burn out your braincells and turn you into a drooling moron.
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There is only one solution to the "problem" of level 50 noobs: Don't team with them. There. That was easy. Now they're not your problem.
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If they hadn't become a level 50 noob, there's a good chance they could've been worthwhile teammates.
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Not really.
If theyre the type to not ask questions, hit 50, and refuise to take advice because theyre 50, they would have been a worthless idiot either way.
the AE doesnt magically burn out your braincells and turn you into a drooling moron.
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No it just gets them to 50 quicker at which point they refuse to take advice because they are 50 (your words). Maybe prior to 50 they would have taken advice, but they didn't need to because everything was being handed to them?
Also properly playing up, people often learn much more than just being PLd. . .NOT ALWAYS, but often.
I PL'd a few toons to 50 for my 12 year old son & he wrecks stuff!
The game isn't rocket science yanno.
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I PL'd a few toons to 50 for my 12 year old son & he wrecks stuff!
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Ok, so who's posting now, you, or your 12 year old son? 
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The game isn't rocket science yanno.
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No, definitely not if you're playing a melee character...
EDIT :: I decided to share my two cents with this thread... the only way to solve the n00b problem is teach the newbies and help them to not become n00bies. Adopt an AE Baby today!
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There is only one solution to the "problem" of level 50 noobs: Don't team with them. There. That was easy. Now they're not your problem.
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If they hadn't become a level 50 noob, there's a good chance they could've been worthwhile teammates.
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Not really.
If theyre the type to not ask questions, hit 50, and refuise to take advice because theyre 50, they would have been a worthless idiot either way.
the AE doesnt magically burn out your braincells and turn you into a drooling moron.
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No it just gets them to 50 quicker at which point they refuse to take advice because they are 50 (your words). Maybe prior to 50 they would have taken advice, but they didn't need to because everything was being handed to them?
Also properly playing up, people often learn much more than just being PLd. . .NOT ALWAYS, but often.
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Oh please. getting a 50 fast doesnt automatically make you an idiot. Dumb people rarely, if ever, learn. And if AE hadnt been available they would have quickly found their way to PI
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Oh please. getting a 50 fast doesnt automatically make you an idiot. Dumb people rarely, if ever, learn. And if AE hadnt been available they would have quickly found their way to PI
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That still sounds tons better than never leaving Atlas. 
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Oh please. getting a 50 fast doesnt automatically make you an idiot. Dumb people rarely, if ever, learn. And if AE hadnt been available they would have quickly found their way to PI
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That still sounds tons better than never leaving Atlas.
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Maybe to you. But then, like I've said beforem I avoud pug teams and only group with chat channels where I hang out, so this whole "AE means I cant find teemz" thing is something I never even notice.
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Maybe to you. But then, like I've said beforem I avoud pug teams and only group with chat channels where I hang out, so this whole "AE means I cant find teemz" thing is something I never even notice.
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I agree 100% with this post since it is exactly my personal experience.
The only things keeping me from teaming are sunshine, a bathroom renovation, and other real life commitments.
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Oh please. getting a 50 fast doesnt automatically make you an idiot. Dumb people rarely, if ever, learn. And if AE hadnt been available they would have quickly found their way to PI
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That still sounds tons better than never leaving Atlas.
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I don't see any worthwhile difference.
Before MA, the PLers were all in Peregrine. After MA, they're all in Atlas. Okay.
So?
I can understand not wanting new players to be immediately exposed to that scene, but I'm not sure how you address that while leaving MA's intended purpose intact (and some people will start in Galaxy anyway).
But, in terms of my own play experience, it makes no difference to me which zone the PLers congregate in. I'm not teaming with them, not paying any attention to them in Broadcast, and not hanging out in those zones.
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It's surely not your decision if someone should play AE or not or how fast they reach level 50!
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No, but it surely is the decision of the developers who have clearly stated they are keeping a close eye on AE created farms and exploits. You go right on PLing your toons to 50 in under 20 hours though. We'll all be smiling when they get locked or rolled back on your account.
And in case you haven't realized yet, those "speed-to-50" farms and exploits are going to get AE nerfed hard, so your actions do affect everyone.
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