I logged the firs titme after isue 15s release about 3 days later. It took less than ten minutes until someone I had never heard of had invited me to join them in running the new taskforce. I see broadcasts for it still every time I pass through Founder's Falls, even in mid-afternoon. And the taskforce really is not, to coin a phrase, 'all that'.
Are there many people playing AE farms? Yes. Are there still people doing other things? Yes again. If you can't find them, thats not because AE sucks - its because you do.
Also, I wonder if we get some kind of award if we have a certain number of these "I don't like AE, people should only be allowed to play the game the way I want them to" threads in a month?
I didn't say AE sucks, I said I'm tired of the AE farm missions which seem to be the main thing people are doing.
But thanks for telling me I suck. You are very right. I'm a terrible player since I enjoy the game at a slower pace.
I just miss the game I've always enjoyed being dominated by one thing for so long. It seems we have the people that enjoy XP farming since they enjoy leveling fast to try out various classes. Others enjoy experiencing the stories and history of the game and like abit of role playing and aren't there just to get the next level. Two different kinds of players, but from my limited experience the past few months the XP players seem more plentiful. Is that wrong? Obviously not since the devs are happy with things as they are. But people like me aren't so happy.
That's all fine though if there's more farmer players, then NCsoft gets their fees and makes there money. Losing a few wackos that don't like that type of play so much won't hit their bottom line.
Again, thanks so much for reminding me what a loser I am. It's great to know these things about yourself. Builds character. You sure must be a fine person since you point out other's limitations.
Not to put words in someone else's mouth, but I don't think he implied anything about your gameplay... but rather your ability to find people playing the type of content that YOU like to play.
I for one, have been on only a few AE Farms... and most of those were because I was so bored and not feeling like making a team, that I joined one. Not surprisingly, they bored me, I quit.
That's beside the point though. Look into the many ways that one can get involved with the "normal" content. If you look hard enough, you can find people who want to do it. When I build a team, it does not touch the AE... and yet I have managed to keep 8-man teams going for many hours. How? Because I tried to do so? Because I replaced people when they moved on, and because I kept the team moving. PuGs are not dead just because the AE arrived.
They do, however, require a bit more effort to get rolling than before.
Maybe you're on a slow server? It might also help to try and find a good SG on your server. That way it's not just you, your friend, and whatever PUG you can find.
One reason people might not play the new SF is because it's bugged and almost impossible to complete.
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I didn't say AE sucks, I said I'm tired of the AE farm missions which seem to be the main thing people are doing.
But thanks for telling me I suck. You are very right. I'm a terrible player since I enjoy the game at a slower pace.
I just miss the game I've always enjoyed being dominated by one thing for so long. It seems we have the people that enjoy XP farming since they enjoy leveling fast to try out various classes. Others enjoy experiencing the stories and history of the game and like abit of role playing and aren't there just to get the next level. Two different kinds of players, but from my limited experience the past few months the XP players seem more plentiful. Is that wrong? Obviously not since the devs are happy with things as they are. But people like me aren't so happy.
That's all fine though if there's more farmer players, then NCsoft gets their fees and makes there money. Losing a few wackos that don't like that type of play so much won't hit their bottom line.
Again, thanks so much for reminding me what a loser I am. It's great to know these things about yourself. Builds character. You sure must be a fine person since you point out other's limitations.
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all I see is "whine whine whine I'm too lazy to form my own teams whine whine I hate AE whine whine someone cater tyo me because I can't stand the thought of actually making friends to run TFs and content with and therefore it must be the AEs fault"
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I didn't say AE sucks, I said I'm tired of the AE farm missions which seem to be the main thing people are doing.
But thanks for telling me I suck. You are very right. I'm a terrible player since I enjoy the game at a slower pace.
I just miss the game I've always enjoyed being dominated by one thing for so long. It seems we have the people that enjoy XP farming since they enjoy leveling fast to try out various classes. Others enjoy experiencing the stories and history of the game and like abit of role playing and aren't there just to get the next level. Two different kinds of players, but from my limited experience the past few months the XP players seem more plentiful. Is that wrong? Obviously not since the devs are happy with things as they are. But people like me aren't so happy.
That's all fine though if there's more farmer players, then NCsoft gets their fees and makes there money. Losing a few wackos that don't like that type of play so much won't hit their bottom line.
Again, thanks so much for reminding me what a loser I am. It's great to know these things about yourself. Builds character. You sure must be a fine person since you point out other's limitations.
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all I see is "whine whine whine I'm too lazy to form my own teams whine whine I hate AE whine whine someone cater tyo me because I can't stand the thought of actually making friends to run TFs and content with and therefore it must be the AEs fault"
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Don't blame him for your tunnel vision. This string is not going on my favs, because it seems one side is adamant about what they believe, while the other is in denial about what has happened to CoX.
It's a common complaint. And he's right. This main focus of this game has become farming*. (PL'ing is now heavily incorporated in to the game. And I am just as guilty sometimes.**) Maybe NCSoft will do something about it or just keep gathering money from people who'll now pay for extra AE slots (to further help keep a bad implementation of a great idea), alts, and booster packs.
Personally, I am finding this game to become way to redundant and boring because of AE in it's present form (but it's not going to change - the implementation of selling AE slots boosters that idea). I read about people forming teams outside of AE, but other than some TF's, and after trying to form teams (beyond sewer teams), and some on the most populated servers, Freedom and Virtue, I have found them to be vary rare, and in most cases, way too long to build. I have come across the occasional farm on Grand, and PI, but still a farm.
Why am I still playing? Couple of reasons. To build more and better 50's because I can do it easily and without a challenge because all the speed limit signs have been removed from the highway. Also, to kill time while waiting for Champions and DC Online to go live.
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*First it was Rikti/Lt farms. But as money poured like water and you could slot better, it become Boss farms. But money kept pouring to where it is AV farms. And now, the farms have become very creative to where there is a bubble farm which is like chopping wood (really kindling when ya got a supped up 50).
**Why do I do it? Because it's an easy way to remove the challenge of the game to get to 50 without needing a mentor. Easy way to get money, rare salvage, and build and slot my 50. WHOO HOO! AE has removed the challenge of the game. It's Windows 9X(TM) for the MMO user. (No matter how many blue screens ya get, ya keep using it because it's easy and without a challenge.)
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I didn't say AE sucks, I said I'm tired of the AE farm missions which seem to be the main thing people are doing.
But thanks for telling me I suck. You are very right. I'm a terrible player since I enjoy the game at a slower pace.
I just miss the game I've always enjoyed being dominated by one thing for so long. It seems we have the people that enjoy XP farming since they enjoy leveling fast to try out various classes. Others enjoy experiencing the stories and history of the game and like abit of role playing and aren't there just to get the next level. Two different kinds of players, but from my limited experience the past few months the XP players seem more plentiful. Is that wrong? Obviously not since the devs are happy with things as they are. But people like me aren't so happy.
That's all fine though if there's more farmer players, then NCsoft gets their fees and makes there money. Losing a few wackos that don't like that type of play so much won't hit their bottom line.
Again, thanks so much for reminding me what a loser I am. It's great to know these things about yourself. Builds character. You sure must be a fine person since you point out other's limitations.
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all I see is "whine whine whine I'm too lazy to form my own teams whine whine I hate AE whine whine someone cater tyo me because I can't stand the thought of actually making friends to run TFs and content with and therefore it must be the AEs fault"
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Don't blame him for your tunnel vision. This string is not going on my favs, because it seems one side is adamant about what they believe, while the other is in denial about what has happened to CoX.
It's a common complaint. And he's right. This main focus of this game has become farming*. (PL'ing is now heavily incorporated in to the game. And I am just as guilty sometimes.**) Maybe NCSoft will do something about it or just keep gathering money from people who'll now pay for extra AE slots (to further help keep a bad implementation of a great idea), alts, and booster packs.
Personally, I am finding this game to become way to redundant and boring because of AE in it's present form (but it's not going to change - the implementation of selling AE slots boosters that idea). I read about people forming teams outside of AE, but other than some TF's, and after trying to form teams (beyond sewer teams), and some on the most populated servers, Freedom and Virtue, I have found them to be vary rare, and in most cases, way too long to build. I have come across the occasional farm on Grand, and PI, but still a farm.
Why am I still playing? Couple of reasons. To build more and better 50's because I can do it easily and without a challenge because all the speed limit signs have been removed from the highway. Also, to kill time while waiting for Champions and DC Online to go live.
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*First it was Rikti/Lt farms. But as money poured like water and you could slot better, it become Boss farms. But money kept pouring to where it is AV farms. And now, the farms have become very creative to where there is a bubble farm which is like chopping wood (really kindling when ya got a supped up 50).
**Why do I do it? Because it's an easy way to remove the challenge of the game to get to 50 without needing a mentor. Easy way to get money, rare salvage, and build and slot my 50. WHOO HOO! AE has removed the challenge of the game. It's Windows 9X(TM) for the MMO user. (No matter how many blue screens ya get, ya keep using it because it's easy and without a challenge.)
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Maybe thats the case on your server. On mine, farming is relatively nonexistent outside a small crowd in Atlas. Freedumb and DemonAngelCatgirlland , er, virtue, are not the entirety of the game
On Infinity, if I want a group for something, its relatively easy to ask my friends or the server global channels if anyone's interested, and we have lots of TF runs a night. I frankly never see any pressure whatsoever to farm and in fact the last time I went looking for an AE farm, I plain couldnt find one.
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Because everyone else is too lazy to form their OWN teams.
*keeps farming*
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Because everyone else is too lazy to form their OWN teams.
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Prtety much. If you don't wanna make an effort to create a team, dont expect brilliant results by screaming in broadcast when the other passive types have all relocated to Atlas where they can be even more passive
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Forming your own team doesn't work unless it's peak hours and you get very very lucky. Or happen to be in one of the 4 or so SGs that have enough people and theme to support doing non-farms.
People who think that it isn't 95% AE farming now are fricken retards. I'd rather they jump in front of a car then continue to post their iraqi information minister [censored].
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Forming your own team doesn't work unless it's peak hours and you get very very lucky. Or happen to be in one of the 4 or so SGs that have enough people and theme to support doing non-farms.
People who think that it isn't 95% AE farming now are fricken retards. I'd rather they jump in front of a car then continue to post their iraqi information minister bullsh!t.
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I play rarely at peak hours. I rarely have problems finding teams when i want one. Usually during primetime I'm busy roleplaying.
Not to mention, not every server has an atlas crowded with people all hours of the day and if you think they do, you're somewhat deluded and narrow-visioned yourself. You're on virtue. Its a server with lots of people. therefore theres proportionally more farmers. It doesnt mean they all fram all the time. I play on Infinity. its lower pop. the farm proportion is therefore smaller.
Perhaps its not that everyones farming, perhaps its that the vast majority of the people who dont farm are either on hide, grouped with buddies, or otherwise don't care to play with people who they don't know and trust to contribute to the team.
I assure you. almost EVERY time I've ever said "well, pugs arent always bad, what could go wrong?" I've ended up on such amazingly fun runs as a 4 hour Synapse due to our only tanker having the stealth pool and no taunts (and he was a levell 50, he had bought all his important powers at 38+))), or a 3 hour fight with the Reichsman, or a fire/kin ditching because he wanted a team 5 levels higher than him or nothing.
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It also doesn't help that Issue 15 is lackluster and most players are on the WAIT UNTIL GOING ROGUE RELEASES mode.
Farming isnt boring, farming is fun. As everything else in the game, because remember : it's just a game we play to have fun !
I will tell you what is probably boring for you : doing ONLY farming ALL THE TIME. That is boring. At least for me it is. I have alot of fun taking one of my AoE toon and wiping a boss AE map, once or twice time to time maybe. Not more. But it's fun when I do it, and I will be sad if this possibility we didnt have before the AE was nerfed in any way.
And it's the same for everything else. Imagine that you like the ITF much for example, and start to run only this one twice each evening. It'll get boring fast, isnt it ?
Heck, I know someone who runs the ITF all the time, at least twice each day, and has been doing this since it was released. And the guy keeps getting fun, and buying expensive IO recipes with his merits. Are you going to judge him and say he must stop with his "farming" ?
So I can also believe there are some ppl who only farm and keep genuinely getting fun there. Why should we judge them and tell them their way playing the game is not right ? We shouldnt.
I play on Freedom, I have no problem joining non-farming AE teams, old content teams, TFs and SFs everytime I want. Yes I'm part of a great organization of players, and of course that helps, I wont deny that.
@The OP and other ppl who complain they cant find non-farming teams, check my Sig. We're a "non-farming", "non-PLing" group of SG/VG and we play on Freedom, Virtue and Justice. That dont mean you cant farm whenever you want, but you wont find any of those on our channel.
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Heck, I know someone who runs the ITF all the time, at least twice each day, and has been doing this since it was released. And the guy keeps getting fun, and buying expensive IO recipes with his merits. Are you going to judge him and say he must stop with his "farming" ?
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Not a very good comparison IMO;
1. The ITF requires a team of players who have completed a non-AE story arc to enter the Cimerora zone.
2. Cimeroran's are generally a lot tougher than a custom created enemy group of Lts and Bosses intentionally created with minimal attack powers and minimal defenses and can be easily defeated with brawl. The risk vs. reward ratio is entirely different between this and the ITF.
3. Even though the ITF takes place all in one zone, it still requires the players to travel more than 10 feet inside the AE building to complete the TF.
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Heck, I know someone who runs the ITF all the time, at least twice each day, and has been doing this since it was released. And the guy keeps getting fun, and buying expensive IO recipes with his merits. Are you going to judge him and say he must stop with his "farming" ?
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Not a very good comparison IMO;
1. The ITF requires a team of players who have completed a non-AE story arc to enter the Cimerora zone.
2. Cimeroran's are generally a lot tougher than a custom created enemy group of Lts and Bosses intentionally created with minimal attack powers and minimal defenses and can be easily defeated with brawl. The risk vs. reward ratio is entirely different between this and the ITF.
3. Even though the ITF takes place all in one zone, it still requires the players to travel more than 10 feet inside the AE building to complete the TF.
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I know it's not a perfect comparison, but it wasnt the intention in the argument. And I hope you get my point behind.
Btw : you need also a team to run a 54 custom boss farm and they hit harder than Cimerorans I can tell you. I'd like to see how you defeat a real boss farm with brawl 
Now if you're talking about the Hamis farms, we both agree this has to be nerfed, just like the Comm Officers were, because it's 'exploitive farming'.
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Depends entirely on the selected powersets the bosses have.
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you need also a team to run a 54 custom boss farm and they hit harder than Cimerorans I can tell you
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Can you give me some examples please ? Other than the Hamis. I'd really like to know how you create custom bosses who dont deal damage. If it's really possible, then I must admit I ignore about it.
In my experience they hit harder than usual bosses from the non AE content. You cant choose them so they dont have attacks, and they always have a range attack to prevent the hovering "exploit".
The few boss farms I've played had level 54 bosses who really hit like trucks, and the task was actually harder than most of the ITF runs I've made even on invincible. It required a solid team with controls an debuffs and/or a very good tank.
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By the same token, the ITF is retardedly easy with a dark tanker simply because of the powersets the mobs have.
Lethal? Lol Dark regen.
negative energy? lolno try again
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I'd really like to know how you create custom bosses who dont deal damage.
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I didn't say they don't deal damage. Of course some will hit harder than others will. The main difference being the players are custom designing the bosses to be as easy as possible. Low risk for high reward.
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I didn't say they don't deal damage. Of course some will hit harder than others will. The main difference being the players are custom designing the bosses to be as easy as possible. Low risk for high reward.
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And? Its just as easy to bring the right tanker or defender powerset to a radio mish or a TF to make the entire mission impossible to fail.
Like my example of a dark tank in the ITF. They have decent lethal resistance, dark regen to make up the gap, and insane levels of Neg Energy resist that make Rommy and the nictus into jokes.
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The main difference being your toon had to leave the AE building to do those radio missions and had to find a team to run the ITF.
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The main difference being your toon had to leave the AE building to do those radio missions and had to find a team to run the ITF.
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Same with a pug. Not my fault you want to force people out of the AE so you might have a slightly better chance of not having to take the initiative and make your own damned team.
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*keeps farming*
I'm very sad. I've played this game on and off since beta and have always enjoyed it. I still have one friend that plays with me a few times a week. That all changed a few months after AE went live.
We are certainly now casual players but still enjoyed running around doing random missions and joining large groups. When AE was announced we thought how cool it will be to see how creative the community would be. The first few weeks were pretty cool but joining large groups seemed to only get XP farming missions. But we were getting XP so amazingly fast we didn't mind. But as the weeks progressed we became bored with farming the same two maps over and over and over. So then we looked at other missions but it was hard to get a group together since most of the more creative missions weren't designed for fast XP generation. So wandered around the old haunts and they were like ghost towns. No one was doing anything else. So we both took a break with the occasional play maybe once a week or every other week.
So this last week a new issue comes out so we thought lets try again. We logged on excited to play the new TF. We get our villains and head to Grandville. No one there, no one setting up a group, no one interested in doing a group. And we couldn't play with just 2 people. This is just a couple days after the issue goes live and no ones doing it? I remember when the Roman themed TF went live it was busy for weeks. So we try our heroes. Again, the zone is empty, not one other person there. So grudgingly we head to the AE and it's full of people. We join another XP farming mission group which were plentiful. Spend an hour getting a level and leave in boredom. Thought about logging in on Sunday but we just didn't feel like it.
What has the AE done to the game? Is this the future, endless XP farm missions either on the long narrow street map or large blasted city map? Is that all the game has turned into? Every other zone, TF, mission series unused as everyone makes a mad dash from 1-50? What's in store with the new Rogue expansion? New classes that will spend all their time in the AE farming XP, then rinse/repeat for each class until you have a full set of 50's?
I just can't get the urge to play anymore if the future is farming, farming, farming. Heck the groups are so bored now no one ever chats or even comments. Just heading from one boss mega group to the next. Turn on the TV and smash the AOE's until they are dead and move on. People can't even get excited to say "Congrats" when you ding.
I think my time with this game might have come to an end.
I'm very sad.