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What about social conventions doesn't this guy understand?
Of course, I'm not sure why the other side didn't do the same thing to him ad-nauseum. Stalkers should have been really good at it...
Wow... What a sad, little man. Sure sounds like someone who just "doesn't get it" both online and in real life.
I found this quote of his particularly telling: "I look at social groups with dismay."
So why isn't anyone offended by the idea that other players would verbally abuse and insult someone (including making real-world threats against the player) because his behavior in game isn't considered appropriate?
Seriously. He doesnt seem to understand that he picked a few bulls and poked them over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum untilt hey finally snapped. I'll admit it, i've TP Foed enemies (and friends) int NPCs to get them killed, but all in Jest. I never did it to greif. I only did it to friends. And Jerks. :P
However, this guy is the ultimate greifer.
I cant deny that the book will be interesting, I just hope he sees the brighter side of the community, rather than just the people he enraged.
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THis both enforces and defeats my views on PVP in this game. I'm confused ?o.o?
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heh, never even heard of Twixt before. Guess I missed something in my years of being here 
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So why isn't anyone offended by the idea that other players would verbally abuse and insult someone (including making real-world threats against the player) because his behavior in game isn't considered appropriate?
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Mostly because a "real world" threat made in an online game where both people are anonymous means absolutely nothing. There simply is nothing there to be offended about.
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So why isn't anyone offended by the idea that other players would verbally abuse and insult someone (including making real-world threats against the player) because his behavior in game isn't considered appropriate?
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Reading the story it sounds like people tried to talk him out of his tactics. He refused to change when told that what he was doing wasn't considered fair.
While I don't approve of people leveling real life threats because of his tactics, I figure they were just venting because of their frustration with someone who refused to play by the rules the players established.
I don't know, but if he refuses to follow 'society's' rules in a game, how likely is he to follow 'society's' rules in real life?
hahahahahahahahaha, tp to the guard drones!!! that's awesome! XD XD XD I can't believe he was actually worried for a while that some 10-year-old pvp brat was actually going to go to his house, lol. That in itself is noobish. Never believe that crap.
It's just as much the "unspoken rules" that make a society as much as it is the written laws. The linked-to document by the author makes it much clearer that his jackassery was intentional as a sociological experiment. Of course, when I'm a jerk, that's my excuse, too.
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i'd heard of twixt from the pvp forums and always found it interesting to note the high end ego venom from those who fought him. that's the one thing that always bothered me with pvp, the attempts to move the fight to verbal ground.
if it wasn't obvious from a few months of playing that he was basically trolling pvp for personal use, it certainly is now. in this case though, trolling in pvp amounted to playing unconventionally (according to players) but well within the defined rules of both the engine and environment.
i can't tell you the number of stalkers my claw/sr scrapper used to deal with in siren's call (i6-i12) while being lashed at for not only beating them, but beating them with an unconventional character. lol claws / lol sr / etc.
of course, now, i wouldn't bring E within a stones throw of most pvp zones unless i was helping a friend after the debacle known as DR. 
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Y'know, I don't get it. There's no law saying I can't spray a garden hose at every person I see on the street. It's totally legal and within the rules. Why should people get pissed off at me if I'm staying within the rules? It's their fault for adhereing to their silly "social norms".
This guy is the dumbest professor I have ever seen. There are things that you just don't do. Legal or not, it's going to piss people off.
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I don't think anyone described in that article is right in any way, except maybe Cyro Burn.
Heh, I wonder how well his tactics will work against the new Teleport Resist options we now have access to...
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Because judging from the threats, it was probably a teenager making the threats. Think about high school, you do something someone doesn't like their responce is something the lines of "I'm gonna kill/punch/hurt you if you don't stop, for real/not kidding." And nine times out of ten it's an empty threat.
*shakes head*
Why does it have to be someone from Louisiana?
I somewhat remember a character named Twixt, but I don't remember it ever getting this out of hand. Something else that he failed to mention was that the game has servers. He's acting like it was the entire community acting like that instead of just a group of people who play on his server at the same time he does.
Not to knock on Freedom, but if he's doing a research on a community then he would go to the server that's the most populated, being Freedom, and Freedom really is full of kids and/or players that want you to play like them.
Something else I find stupid, (ok there's alot of things I find stupid in this article) is that the article stated that [i]"Myers, who bought "City of Heroes" when it hit store shelves in 2004, quickly learned that players ignored the area's stated purpose."[/i}
City of Villains and the PvP zones didn't come out until October 2005. He had a little over a year to have his "experiment" on the community and then this one thing happened and he's basing the entire CoX population on it.
Two things I find very hard to believe is 1) "...players ignored the area's stated purpose. Heroes chatted peacefully with villains in the combat zone. Instead of fighting each other, members of the two factions sparred with computer-controlled enemies.."
I was pretty big into PvP when it came out and for awhile afterward. I very rarely seen heroes and villains standing around talking with each other. When I did it was always somewhere hidden where other characters wouldn't easily come in and interupt them. On top of that I had never once seen heroes and villains working together to fight the computer enimies, but I may be wrong.
2)"At first, players tried to beat him in the game to make him quit. Myers was too skilled to be run off, however....Mobs of villains then ambushed Twixt, hoping to defeat him so often that he would quit.....One by one, Twixt coolly picked his opponents off. As play sessions passed, popular villains and heroes stepped up their attempts to change him."
Come on now, seriously, if all the guy can do is TP Foe them into the guns then there's no way he could "cooley defeat" the whole mob. Back then one stalker could take him out easily. Also if he's TPing them into the guns, then players would eventually just stop going to him.
There's a difference from "following the games rules" and doing something that you know just pisses people off. He was wanting to get a bad responce from people for his research so he found something that would piss people off and did it.
To be honest it seems to me that he played the game as a fan of it, ticked people off, continued to tick people off and then tried to justify it as being research.
Sorry for my rant, I'm in my 6th year at working toward my Masters in Child Psychology and Minor in Social Psychology and it bugs the hell out of me when people twist words and situations around to get their desired report. It's even easier to do on a subject like MMOs that only concerns a low percentage of the majority population of the country. So people read the report, see that he's a professor and automatically think, "This guy knows what he's doing and talking about, people that play these MMOs really have no lives."
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Y'know, I don't get it. There's no law saying I can't spray a garden hose at every person I see on the street. It's totally legal and within the rules. Why should people get pissed off at me if I'm staying within the rules? It's their fault for adhereing to their silly "social norms".
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Yes there is. Depending on where you live its either harasment or assault, and its a crime. PvP Zones, however, come with a big red flag that says that peopel will be able to do bad things to you. Its roughly analagous to complaining about getting sprayed with water if you signed up for the super-soaker fight at the county fair. Of course, you can't expect people to like you if you beat them by doing somethign tehc community considers 'cheap', but that doesn't make it wrong, just unpopular. Personally Im a big fan of the 'play to win' mentality. As I so often quote: fair fights are for suckers.
See, that is the problem with trying to do a socialogical experiment. You either have to do it as a thought experiment, or as a secret experiment.
Now while I disagree with the length he did this for, from reading the word document paper he wrote on the experience, there is some things to be learned. I disagree with his premise and his conclusions about a number of things based on the results, but for other thoughts such as hive minds, not being an independent thinker, and mostly jumping to conclusions and not trying to get all the facts by talking to someone, it does show flaws in our society that are also around in the real world, and do affect us on a daily basis.
There is stuff to be learned, you just have to push aside the whole griefing thing and read his writing objectively to see it. At least IMHO.
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He came in, he pretended that there were no social norms or unspoken rules (or pretended they didn't apply to him) and then acted dumbfounded when people hated him. Shocking. When I meet people in real life who act like this, I stop associating with them, because they are invariably worthless.
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This is his post/blog about his last day with CoH. He goes back and does the exact samething, then wonders why he gets the responce.
EDIT: Wow. I was reading the replies from his site and a woman was discussing the matter with him and making valid points. He was responding and answering her questions respectfully, but once he found out that she was "just a player" and not someone at a 'his' level he just blew her off.
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He does make a statement on how he is not making any money off of this "experiment" of his so he did not break the EULA, yet when a book becomes published, if you have to pay for it, then he is strictly breaking the EULA.
I wonder what will happen with that. Should eb an interesting thing to watch.
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....what a completely biased attempt at 'research'....
"Hey lets see what happens when I do something that people don't like"
"OH WHAT DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T LIKE IT"
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http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...fessor_be.html
Read it.
Teleport Foe.
Gaurd Drones.
Book.
/e hard facepalm
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