It does sort of fill my face with, "Duh!" I want his job. To make all sorts of research based on bogus theories. Only to conclude, "Yup just like I suspected, obvious." I wonder how much he makes.
((The article makes him sound like the best CoH PVPer evar! Anybody's nine-year old could exhibit as much "skill" as this guy.
And, yes, if you're mean to people for no reason, you're going to get death threats, serious or not. I once told a couple of kids (looked about thirteen or so) who were two cars in front of me on a loop-a-loop roller coaster and spitting everytime we were upside down, "If any of that hits me or my kids, I'm going to kill you when we get off of here!" They stopped spitting, but even if they hadn't I really wasn't going to kill them. I hope they thought I was though. 
Anyway, I don't pvp much so I guess I won't be in his book. To those of you who are -- I salute you! ))
That still borderlines serious business. "I'm going to kill you." never the less can result in a fine if they report it to security. Even if you were laughing joyously, they could (most usually don't care until you actually try something or it's marital abuse like they show on COPS) report it and the police will take it seriously.
It's a sad society we live in today.
((*nod. Yes, but this was many, many years ago (my kids are adults now in their twenties). But my point is that rude, abusive behavior will get you rude, abusive reactions, and I don't need a PhD to know that. ))
Exactly. Thus I want his job because I would make it far more entertaining.
Player, "If you do that one more time, I'm going to kill you for real."
Me, "For real? Oh snap... yo serious mang? -teleports person to security drones- Damn... here I thought I was targeting someone else. Woopsie."
Could always be like Fancy the Bard from EverQuest. [u]THAT[u] was a griefer! xD
Wow, I never found out what happened to twixt. I used to play on champion (I got my first 50 in Nov 06) and I spent a lot of time in RV in that time frame. I remember wildstar and Dollmistress giving him a beating but I don't know if they ever got him.
There was a time when some people thought he was Lord Stryker, but I guess not.
Anyone know what server this guy was on?
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He was on champion back in late 06 and early 07 but he disappeared after april or may 07
I really wish he'd come back and come to Virtue. I might even decide to start PvPing again for that.
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I really wish he'd come back and come to Virtue. I might even decide to start PvPing again for that.
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He wont.
Even if he did he would probably be complaining more than not about why powers like Teleport Foe are so gimped against players. xD
Well, one of his more used tactics was to TP foe enemies into masses of Longbow NPC's with Touch of Fear at the ready. Since ToF lasted for an eternity back then and hardly anyone resisted it, the usual result was death and debt for that player. If he wasn't doing that, he was droning. Both all fine and dandy in a PvP zone, but to do so then brag about how good you are while downplaying any of your defeats (often citing "lag" and such) is obviously going to make you a marked man.
i13 changed one of his favorite tactics and made it ultimately useless. It also ruined his chosen method of escape via teleport.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
I'm still boggled that he got to publish a paper (even if the journal is questionable as several posters here have implied) that basically reads as "if you act like a [censored] people treat you like a [censored]." Isn't that I dunno, prima facie obvious?
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I'm still boggled that he got to publish a paper (even if the journal is questionable as several posters here have implied) that basically reads as "if you act like a [censored] people treat you like a [censored]." Isn't that I dunno, prima facie obvious?
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Yes.
That's why I would love his job because I would make it far more entertaining. The catch phrase:
"Should of known." [Badunch]
If his actual motivation was his research, then he wouldn't have quit because of i13. There are still plenty of socially-unacceptable tactics available with which to upset your average PvPer. He's merely a troll trying to paste a pseudo-intellectual façade onto his entertainment.
But I actually do wish he would roll blueside on Virtue, and not so that I could "teach him a lesson" or something. If you get droned, you have only yourself to blame for coming within range. As for his other tactics, I think it would be an interesting challenge.
Ive thought about this article for a few days before I decided to make a post.
First and foremost Im not in any way condoning the threats made by anyone. Honestly, the idea that anyone can think that kind of behavior is without conscience is surely in for a shock when an enterprising district attorney decides to prosecute.
Its not going to take much for someone to label the operators of the sites as accomplices (depending on how vigorously the sites are policed), so the owners of social networking sites (of all kinds) should pay head to this fact, because this is not something thats going to go away unless the perpetrators of these crimes are punished. Weve already seen one parent go through a lengthy trial over a myspace incident and another high profile case is pending against an adult who allegedly posted a false prostitution advertisement about a nine year old girl. Its my belief that this is only going to become worse as time goes on.
The professors actions are not all that great in my view. Im willing to bet that initially it was clearly explained to him that his behavior was not welcomed (the article said as much). The crux is that he knew that what he was doing was irritating the community. Ask yourself if he would behave in antisocial activity outside of the virtual world. If his maturity level is as high as I would hope a person with a professorship would have, he would have known a basic rule of life. simply because you can do something does not mean you should. My children know this rule of life, and they clearly understand its implications. So Im not buying into his wounded duck pleas. You reap what you sow.
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This is his post/blog about his last day with CoH. He goes back and does the exact samething, then wonders why he gets the responce.
EDIT: Wow. I was reading the replies from his site and a woman was discussing the matter with him and making valid points. He was responding and answering her questions respectfully, but once he found out that she was "just a player" and not someone at a 'his' level he just blew her off.
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Ty That's me and while I am not familiar with sociology I actually have several papers in well known peer reviewed Scientific Journals like the Journal of Neuroscience, and the Journal of Experimental Neurology, so I know how to conduct a controlled experiment. His lack of ethics still astounds me, I can't imagine any sociology journal publishing any work of his and he dismissed me when I brought up ethics and IRB review boards lol.
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I wish I had found this thread sooner; I just got internet back in my house after a week outage and look what I miss, lol. Good on you for refuting his arguments. I'm a teacher and game-studies academic as well and this whole story bothers me a lot. His work doesn't even cite the right papers in his field and his "conclusions" (as someone else said above: people don't like it when you do things they don't like) are ridiculous. I think it casts the whole community in a bad light and needs to be heavily refuted. Unfortunately people are just too willing to buy the "video games make you maladjusted" conclusion no matter how you package it up.
holy dead thread batman I've forgotten about this fellow :P
I just wish he could have done that with this kid.
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He was playing the game within the confines of the rules. That was a large part of his experiment.
If players in PvP weren't supposed to be droned or TP'd into NPC's for insta-gib, then TP Foe wouldn't work on them. It does. Therefore he was just "playing the game". The same defense that so very many AE 1-50 in an hour farm exploiters used.
I'm just saying.
Socially, what he did is objectionable. However, it was well within the bounds of game rules. You don't like it is all.
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Incorrect. TP Foe works on players because it has legitimate uses, but porting people into drones isn't one of them. It's just something you can't flatly ban because it's too difficult to police. The devs have said many times that repeatedly teleporting someone into guards is considered harrassment and can get you banned if you're stupid enough to get caught doing it, and it's very clear from the lack of credit for those kills that it isn't considered normal PvP behavior. I'm pretty sure I remember a dev flat-out saying back in the day that the only reason it's not flat-out forbidden is that there's no reasonably workable way to police it, but my memory's not clear enough to be 100% sure. In any case, his flat-out unqualified claim to be playing completely within the rules, according to the devs' intent, is obviously false and misleading to non-CoHers who don't actually know anything about the game. The guy's a dishonest [censored].
Actually... the Drones put out a perception bonus... why couldn't they put out an anti-TP field as well? One that extends far enough out that TP Foe would just burn endurance if triggered another 5-10 yards beyond the range of the drone's zap-gun?
I mean, come on, they put one in the D and they've been set up in the jail cells on certain maps... how friggin' hard would it be?
I know, technical solution to a societal problem. back on topic... yeah, college prof or not, the guy's a tool.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
Well Warp, what do you expect from a guy who wrote a paper based on the theory 'If you act like a [censored] people will treat you like a [censored]'?
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...shoot, if that was the thesis, I could have wrote it for him.
... how much did he get paid, again?
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
My 2 cents if they mean anything.
Last time I heard griefing was considered against the rules, if droning isn't under that fine so be it.
I'm not a PvPer, pry never will be but I have a great respect for those that do.
My issue with this is not someone being a jerk and getting paid for it, it's about ethics. I really should re-read the EULA but to me, there has got to be something in there about running social experiments. We, as a playerbase, do not spend our hard earned cash to be experimented on, without our consent. Had the players been notified or had volunteered to be a part of this experiment, fine so be it. But to do an experiment on a group of people without giving them notice or getting their permission seems highly unethical, and frankyl something that should be reported to Loyola.
The second part ties into the first, he did this to an anonymous group, INCLUDING MINORS. Yes, you need parental permission to play this game at certain ages, but I highly doubt any parent giving consent to have their child subjected to a social experiment. I see no ethical grounds in this mans research whatsoever.
Now I'm not saying folks should get sue-happy, but I *DO* feel that Loyola needs to have a few phone calls and ask if it is in their policies to have their professors experiemtn on children without their or their parent's permission, if it is within their practices to hire people who do these activities. If it is within their practices to conduct social experiments on an unknowing public, using a service he did not get permission from to run a social experiment in.
I could honestly see NCSoft having a feild day with him in court, simply for using their game to conduct this on their clientele without their knowledge.
I'm not stating this because he did this to CoX, I'd be saying the same thing if I heard this story happening to WoW players.
I'm not saying this because he was a griefer, even though I have no respect for them either.
I just honestly think there needs to be quite a few calls to the right people at Loyola University about their standards of ethics, and what is expected of their teaching staff.
If he worked for me, and I found out he did this, I'd have his office cleaned out by the end of the day, if only to save my own behind from getting sued by a bunch of angry mothers who found out their 14 year old was being studied by a middle age man over the net to see what made them squirm.
But that's just me.
Also a thesis which can be summed up as "If you poke even nice people enough times, they get angry." Yeesh, I'm in the wrong business.
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That is one of the most bizarre "academic" papers I have ever read. I'm an engineer, so I guess I'm just accustomed to a bit more rigor in papers -- you know, data to support your conclusions, detail of experimental methods, control groups, stuff like that. Judging by this paper, "social science" is a gross abuse of the word "science".
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As an engineer who minored in Anthropology, I can assure you that this does not even meet the standards of a paper published in the social sciences. Check out my posts in the thread on the topic in general discussion - I've linked to his list of publications. The specific journals he's been published in are very telling.