Paying For MA Runs?

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Judging from the responses so far in this thread, it's no wonder this country is heading down the road of bankruptcy within the next 25 years. So many people expecting free handouts and welfare like it's a birthright. I guess there's just no such thing as paying for services rendered anymore. Ah well, I guess I'll just continue following my own principles and not allow lowbies into my AE teams.

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I don't think I'm reading the same thread you're reading.

Mainly I see people who are as disgusted as I am at people trying to charge others for MA missions.

They should all be ashamed.

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Some people think anything is a good excuse for an ideologically fueled ragegasm.

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I'd pay 30mil to get a toon to level 22, so 4mil to me is a huge bargain.


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4 Million to get in SO range is a huge bargain for someone like me making numerous alts on different servers. I have hundreds of million in influence and infamy just sitting on Pinnacle that I can transfer via WW/BM. I refuse to pimp out anymore toons not knowing what's gonna get the nerfhammer next (Thanks Devs!). I see this as just another inf sink, nothing more. If it's worth it to the people paying for it, that's the end of the discussion.

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If it's worth it to the people paying for it, that's the end of the discussion.

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I had a response ... I really did. But then I learned that this was the end of the discussion so I had to let it pass.

(Now that we're told its the end of the discussion, I'm confident that there will be absolutely no more posts in this thread.)

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Judging from the responses so far in this thread, it's no wonder this country is heading down the road of bankruptcy within the next 25 years. So many people expecting free handouts and welfare like it's a birthright. I guess there's just no such thing as paying for services rendered anymore. Ah well, I guess I'll just continue following my own principles and not allow lowbies into my AE teams.

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You need to get with the times.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

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Still, as a general rule of thumb, I don't dish out charity to those who do not need or deserve it.

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Sorry, but this bugs me. How exactly does one *deserve* charity? Charity is the act of giving something to someone at the cost of the giver. How, exactly, are you losing anything by having another character--even if they contribute nothing at all--on your team for a MA farm? If anything, you are gaining from their presence, by virtue of having more enemies to defeat.

Words have an exact meaning, I would learn them.

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Still, as a general rule of thumb, I don't dish out charity to those who do not need or deserve it.

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Sorry, but this bugs me. How exactly does one *deserve* charity? Charity is the act of giving something to someone at the cost of the giver. How, exactly, are you losing anything by having another character--even if they contribute nothing at all--on your team for a MA farm? If anything, you are gaining from their presence, by virtue of having more enemies to defeat.

Words have an exact meaning, I would learn them.

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This isn't astrophysics. Someone who fell upon financial hardship but is trying their hardest to get back on their footing is deserving of charity. Someone who fell upon financial hardship but sits on their [censored] collecting unemployment for 6 months without bothering to seriously look for a job does not deserve it. Is that clear enough?

Translate that to in-game. Lowbies who looks to squeeze their way into a 52-54 AE team and cries when no one invites them is not deserving of charity. Lowbies who invite a few 50's into their farm team hoping that they'll do all the work is not deserving of charity. Not when they could've put in some effort and do some AE missions closer to their level instead of wasting time trying to get other people to power level them for free.

Edit: And yes, you are very much losing something when you have a team full of non-contributers. Time is the first thing that comes to mind. You're simply not going to clear the mission efficiently with only a fraction of the potential damage output. There are also obvious things that you lose such as exp and infamy. Just like in non-AE missions, those scale based on number of people in team. In a mission full of 8 men spawns but only 4 people doing all the work, you'll get far higher share of rewards per kill if you ditch the other 4 deadbeats.

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Has anyone else seen anything like this? Who would pay for an MA run?


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I run farms on a 3 man team, myself, and 2 others. I could care less if the other 2 people participate or not, so essentially, they are getting a free ride. My farm mission gets a toon from level 1 to level 22 in two runs. I then realized I was possibly participating in leveling complete noobs and aiding in the ignorance level 50's now have. So now I charge 2mil a run for anyone under level 45. If they can afford 2mil per run, then they aren't really that new. I've also started a new toon recently, and played AE thinking I could PL him up through AE again. Boy was I wrong. You still need someone who knows how to PL. A team of lvl 1-20 isn't going to pl someone. I'd pay 30mil to get a toon to level 22, so 4mil to me is a huge bargain.

but . . . .

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Trying to charge a level 50 with a vastly better build for an MA run? Priceless.


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That is funny ....

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Someone tried to pay me 30 million to lvl them to 30 yesterday. So it would seem there are more people willing to pay than I would have believed.

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This isn't astrophysics. Someone who fell upon financial hardship but is trying their hardest to get back on their footing is deserving of charity. Someone who fell upon financial hardship but sits on their a** collecting unemployment for 6 months without bothering to seriously look for a job does not deserve it. Is that clear enough?

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No. If I give a man money, I expect something in return. The man sitting on his [censored] can rot. Just because a man "is trying his hardest to get back on his feet" doesn't mean I should have to risk my money helping him. "Trying" doesn't mean he deserves my money.

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Translate that to in-game. Lowbies who looks to squeeze their way into a 52-54 AE team and cries when no one invites them is not deserving of charity. Lowbies who invite a few 50's into their farm team hoping that they'll do all the work is not deserving of charity. Not when they could've put in some effort and do some AE missions closer to their level instead of wasting time trying to get other people to power level them for free.

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I never meant to imply that you should invite these people to your teams, I meant to say that you should not try to pass said invitations off as an act of charity. They aren't. It is a business-like trade. They offer you their time and presence in return for your work. Whether or not their time/presence is worth enough is up to you.

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Edit: And yes, you are very much losing something when you have a team full of non-contributers. Time is the first thing that comes to mind. You're simply not going to clear the mission efficiently with only a fraction of the potential damage output. There are also obvious things that you lose such as exp and infamy. Just like in non-AE missions, those scale based on number of people in team. In a mission full of 8 men spawns but only 4 people doing all the work, you'll get far higher share of rewards per kill if you ditch the other 4 deadbeats.

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True, a team full of useless bodies will go slower than a team full of competent and able players. Not true, however, is that you are losing time. If you are the capable farmer that you claim to be, the larger spawns in every mission should still be dropping quite quickly. Each successive run might take longer, but you will be killing more enemies in each run. With fewer people, you do get more influence/infamy/XP per kill, but also fewer kills.

Don't misunderstand me. I agree that having incapable/incompetent players on a team is a downer. I'm not advocating free powerleveling for any stranger you meet. I just disagree with some of your diction and logic.

No matter the mob or team size, you're not a farmer if you need help farming from other toons or players.

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No matter the mob or team size, you're not a farmer if you need help farming from other toons or players.

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What if you want help from other toons or players?

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No. If I give a man money, I expect something in return. The man sitting on his [censored] can rot. Just because a man "is trying his hardest to get back on his feet" doesn't mean I should have to risk my money helping him. "Trying" doesn't mean he deserves my money.

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Charity doesn't always involve money. You can give time or advice or really anything else that doesn't have a monetary value. Think volunteer work or social counseling. You can set that man up with a job interview or give him resume tips. Those are charitable actions too.

Anyways, another example of what I'm talking about is natural disaster victims. Those who had their houses leveled by earthquakes or tornadoes deserve charity since well, we can't exactly predict those things within reason. Those who built their house in a middle of a forest fire zone ignoring all fire marshall or government warnings do not. They knew full well what they were getting into and chose the foolish path.

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I never meant to imply that you should invite these people to your teams, I meant to say that you should not try to pass said invitations off as an act of charity. They aren't. It is a business-like trade. They offer you their time and presence in return for your work. Whether or not their time/presence is worth enough is up to you.

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You can't really conduct a business transaction if there nothing of actual monetary value being exchanged whether it is currency, goods or a assumed hourly rate. Otherwise the IRS can tax you for pretty much anything, including time you spent sitting in a community theatre watching a free performance. After all, by giving your time and presence, you are conducting a business like transaction right? Charity can be a business transaction, unpaid free time isn't.

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True, a team full of useless bodies will go slower than a team full of competent and able players. Not true, however, is that you are losing time. If you are the capable farmer that you claim to be, the larger spawns in every mission should still be dropping quite quickly.

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Well, I am a competent farmer with some characters that do very well for farm missions though I have not yet claimed to be the best there is. What you say *used* to be nominally true during the pre-AE days when a brute or perma-dom can clear a TV or Lib farm with little effort (such as 15 secs or less per group). However in the case of AE, I have yet to see a character that can clear a group of 52-54 bosses by himself in under 30 seconds, yet a group of 40's or 50's can achieve that easily. Now in terms of time per run, let's say I have a group of 40-50's doing a 53 boss farm and clears it within 15 mins. Replace 4 of those people in the group with 4 lowbies between the level range of 10-20 and each run now take 30 mins. How is that not losing time?

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Each successive run might take longer, but you will be killing more enemies in each run. With fewer people, you do get more influence/infamy/XP per kill, but also fewer kills.

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Mapping.

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No matter the mob or team size, you're not a farmer if you need help farming from other toons or players.

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What if you want help from other toons or players?

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Wanting help and needing it isnt the same.

Its nice to have other 50s helping you, but how many times have you sat around Atlas on a "farm" team waiting for the "farmer" to find a lvl 50 tank?

/sigh

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No matter the mob or team size, you're not a farmer if you need help farming from other toons or players.

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What if you want help from other toons or players?

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Wanting help and needing it isnt the same.

Its nice to have other 50s helping you, but how many times have you sat around Atlas on a "farm" team waiting for the "farmer" to find a lvl 50 tank?

/sigh

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Far too many!

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No matter the mob or team size, you're not a farmer if you need help farming from other toons or players.

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What if you want help from other toons or players?

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Wanting help and needing it isnt the same.

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Hence why I asked the question.

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Its nice to have other 50s helping you, but how many times have you sat around Atlas on a "farm" team waiting for the "farmer" to find a lvl 50 tank?

/sigh

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Never.

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In 45 minute they can earn a lowbie 10,000 tickets and level them from level 1 to level 32. Personally I think I'd be happy to pay the brute for the leveling service, but it seems like the consensus is that this is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

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So they missed something in the AE nerfs? Isn't this specifically what they want to shut down?

Can you go into specific detail on how to replicate this?

There are quite a few active exploits, there is 1 that is so bad I can walk into it with just a Blaster and fight more than 100 baddies that are concentrated in 1 room and because only 16 agro at a time, I just pop insps as fast as they falldown/agro and I can clear the room in about 4 minutes, tickets capped, 5 minutes mission over.

I don't know if its general knowledge how to avoid getting MA slots locked, but the last 2 I reported had Positron as the mission contact so it seems like a few exploiters are spitting in the devs faces.

Its pretty clear to me that the MA is still ridiculously broken.

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paying for ma runs= disgust.

solution- aggro the entire map back the charger

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Not that I charge for MA runs or would, but If someone aggroed the entire map to me (good luck with that) I'd be grateful.

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paying for ma runs= disgust.

solution- aggro the entire map back the charger

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Not that I charge for MA runs or would, but If someone aggroed the entire map to me (good luck with that) I'd be grateful.

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That is what I was thinking how long ca I survive before I take a dirt nap . Sounds like fun when do we test this

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Yesterday I get on an MA pick up team in atlas. It's me on my big pimpin', purpled out farming build fire/kin, a mid level toon, and another 50 fire/kin, whose set bonuses don't look so great, with the star.

We pick up a lowbie who then says "I'm not going to pay for a team" and quits. This seems odd. Next thing I know I get a trade request from the leader. Hmmmm. Accept it and then immediately close it when I see he's offering nothing. I ask him if he's charging for MA runs. He explains to me that it's 1 mil a run, but it's totally worth it because you'll more than make up for it in tickets blah blah blah.

I had so many responses fighting to get out that all I could muster was a "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" in team chat and then quit the team. Needless to say, he was promptly lambasted in broadcast in the hope that no one else would be suckered into this.

Has anyone else seen anything like this? Who would pay for an MA run? At least in PI you had to have the foresight to get and hold the right missions, offer a sk, etc. There was at least some value add, although I'd still never pay for it.

Charging for MA, though? Thats just ridiculous. Trying to charge a level 50 with a vastly better build for an MA run? Priceless.

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I've yet to see that happen and have only heard of such a55hattery in PI.

Your story is pretty funny though and it's a pity there is no emote for kicking someone in the jimmy then pointing and laughing 'cause he certainly deserved it.

[Edit: My bad, just realized I am seriously necroposting.]

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Originally Posted by baron_inferno Those who had their houses leveled by earthquakes or tornadoes deserve charity since well, we can't exactly predict those things within reason. Those who built their house in a middle of a forest fire zone ignoring all fire marshall or government warnings do not. They knew full well what they were getting into and chose the foolish path. Mapping.

Anybody who lives in an area of natural disasters, is doing exactly what anybody who lives in a forest fire zone is doing. Living in an area of that is dangerous and not doing what they should to avoid it.

With that in mind, anybody who is doing powerleveling, should be ready for the "Natural Disaster" of people expecting a free hand out. Besides it is a game, and it is for fun.

On the other hand, if it's not fun for you to be powerleveling other people, then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it. Nobody is making you. Now if you need the money for you toon, and you are trying to raise it, then anybody who pays will be pleasing you, and you can ignore the other people as you see fit. It is after all your time. From the reverse, if someone doesn't want to pay, then they shouldn't.

No need to say anything negative about others who want to do things either way. People deserve their own opinions. Just keep in mind that if you are offering it for a cost, and someone else isn't, most people will go for the free version, unless they are rich, and don't care about expenditures, at which point people will likely pay an increased cost, for a more efficient solution. Both are options. I personally would usually offer it for free, but if I needed the INF, I would sell it at much higher than 4Mil for 24 levels, because of the rules of supply and demand.

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Good lord, what's w/ the crazy necro posts lately?

Weird, and not just for the ultra-super-mega-hyper-bump of this thread. What's the point of farming if you're already above 40th level, if not to PL lowbies?

Don't need the help of a level 50 to do 52-54 missions really.

Make a char, level it to get a few decent aoe abilities.

Get your farm mission - activate it but don't enter (best to set it at +0 x8 no bosses) go to inspiration vendor, buy and use enough reds purples and oranges to cap out damage defense and resists, go into the mission fast, kill as many as you can, click to complete, exit, rinse repeat.

10 minutes gets you 1000-1500 tickets and a huge chunk of xp.

Took 3 days of casual play doing this to get a character to 50 with 400m inf from sold recipes and inf drops.