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Well.. bad players are bad
No matter how they got their levels
These posts (just as a "Lets all go Farm" post) just add to the Bonfire.
Let's see what Positron is going to do first and worry afterwards, when all suggestions can be of the
- Please lessen nerf for _us_
category, which is a much nicer way to go about it.
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Let me get this straight. You PL people yet you say "i don't like telling anyone how to play there game". So this person you PL'ed and didn't tell how to play the game joins you on a TF and somehow is supposed to know what they are doing?
Yeah that is pretty flippin brilliant.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
what the [censored] are you talking about. I don't think you read my post clearly.
I PL my alt characters, I farm for salvage and receipes, typically within my SG or close friends who have played the game a long time. What i am saying is these people on my TF had toons ranging from 25-50, and didn't know what a TF was because they spent nearly their entire gaming experience in Atlas Park.
I'm not telling people not to do it, i just wish those of us who do farm, take into consideration that some ppl are very new to the game and don't know their [censored] from their elbow, and MAYBE its a good idea to not invite those kind of people to the teams. Pretty much, a rally call for using our better judgment when inviting random people.
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hehe, that's a good point. Unfortunately its one of few servers where finding a team isn't a problem. Playing on Freedom now is as active as playing on Champion 4 -1/2 years ago.
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hehe, that's a good point. Unfortunately its one of few servers where finding a team isn't a problem. Playing on Freedom now is as active as playing on Champion 4 -1/2 years ago.
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I scrolled to the end of this and found my laugh.
I tend to play with people I know and then add in strangers. if we want to fill the team. Inexperienced players get a lot of patience from me so long as they show a willingness to cooperate. Otherwise, they get thunderkicked.
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I appreciate the sentiment of the OP.
I'm not sure all of that is attributable to AE as some people simply refuse to learn if they are new or 2 year vets. But it would be nice if brand new people to the game could be allowed to learn the game from the ground up as opposed to getting PL'd to 50 and then trying to figure out why they really should have taken more primaries on their tank or what a side kick is or means. Plus the whole "what do I do now?" glazed look in their eye that means they'll be canceling their account pretty soon which can't be good for the game as a whole.
The problem of course is, who wants to refuse to play with a new player? They have to learn somehow and if the only team they can find in Atlas is an AE farm team then that's where they are going to go. Moving the farms out of Atlas to King's Row would be a good move for you. KR is close to the Pocket D exit and not far from where a Base portal or Yellow Line would drop you off. If you are farming for tickets & influence (presuming not at very low levels) then anyplace would be good.
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I'm sure its not all attributed to AE, but in this particular instance i can say 2/3 of the players in question were lurking AE from what they were talking about and expecting. 1 of the guys wanted to go to bed, and was foolish to start a TF knowing he wanted to go to bed in 45 mins. So, idiots will still be idiots, no matter what.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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They are most certainly leaching in your farms.
Otherwise they are just regular noobs. The only difference is they know more about MA then they do about non MA. When you meet people like that in the game take a few minutes to bring them up to speed. Heck just point them at the wiki. Either will do wonders.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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We have been seeing this for long before MA was even announced. It isnt anything new.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Cute but a bit off-topic JK.
Oh ok so you PL you alts and your SG friends. So you want "other" people to control who they PL because these people might get on a PUG with you. Hmm... I see so in other words this is just another farming thread in disguise.
Carry on.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Oh ok so you PL you alts and your SG friends. So you want "other" people to control who they PL because these people might get on a PUG with you. Hmm... I see so in other words this is just another farming thread in disguise.
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Its not a disguise at all. Its black and white. I have always been all about finding shortcuts, alleviating the grind etc. Ask anyone who knows me. Hell i was a leader of one of the best PvP SG's in the game a couple years ago. Do you think we PvE'd our toons? hell no. However, coming from that perspective of seeing the merits of power-gaming to find my brand of fun and that of my friends, I surprised myself that it bothered me how ignorant players could be that have high enough level characters not knowing very basic things that every player should be aware of by level 20.
I am not asking you to change your behavior and i am certainly not TELLING you who to PL. Read the words MAYBE, and how it applies that i hope that people take a second look at who they invite along and realize the implications it may have. Basically it is my way of saying...wow i just realized that i actually had a problem with something that i never had a problem with before.
That's all it is. A commentary on my experience. My last line of the op where i said don't pl the n00bs was meant with a hint of sarcasm. Sorry if implied that i was "telling you what to do"
This isn't a troll thread, he's making a valid point, and he wasn't snarky about it.
There's been a noticeable increase in people playing high-level toons who have no clue how this game actually works. They've always been there of course, but I've also noticed more of them in the past couple of months, and I've heard a lot of other people say the same thing.
I don't care at all how other people choose to play the game, until it affects me directly. And I don't mean the alleged nerfing, I mean when I team up with people with high-level toons, I expect them to know their role in a team and know how to play their powersets. I don't think that's unreasonable. And to be honest, they shouldn't think it's unreasonable either. If you're going to PL (generic "you"), more power to you, but don't get your panties in a bunch when people expect you to know what you're doing.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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It's not AE's fault.
It's the fault of farm exploiters and PL'ers like you.
You are the one to blame.
I was waiting for your grand entrance. 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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It's not AE's fault.
It's the fault of farm exploiters and PL'ers like you.
You are the one to blame.
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Farming is not exploiting. Rare items require repeating content over and over. It doesn't matter if you are running Task Forces or the same mission over and over again. Blame me all you want, but i don't PL people who don't know the game and i don't use exploits. I simply spawn big missions and kill a lot of bad guys, just like everyone else. Maybe "blaming AE" wasn't the right choice of wording. Simply put, i hope players who do farm/pl etc give a second thought to bringing in somebody who doesn't know the game well enough just because they needed to pad the mission, get an extra body etc.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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It's not AE's fault.
It's the fault of farm exploiters and PL'ers like you.
You are the one to blame.
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And people like you, make me proud to be a farmer. 
It's very easy to see who is a noob BEFORE you invite them to a team.
Either you check before you invite them, only team with friends and sg mates, or you leave yourself susceptible to noobs. This was true before the AE as well.
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I don't know, I'm seeing a fair bit of Noobishness too.
I was in a PUP AE group and the mission being chosen was beating up on "Cows", not my cup of tea exactly but I figured what the heck I'm up for helping beating the snot out of a big bunch of bad guys. So the group had 3 tanks, myself lvl 19 SD/SS tank (no SOs so not exactly tough yet) a lvl 30 Stone/SS tank, a lvl 28 SD/SS tank. Figuring I was off tank I basically shut up and let things get sorted out by the leader and the Stoney.... and nothing happened! So I said "Hey Stones in ya go, I'll be right behind you". Eventually he aggroed the first group and even though I was right behind him promptly face planted. He got rezzed and then face planted again even though I had 70% of the aggro! At that point, I suggested the lvl 28 shielder take over as lead tank, same reluctance to charge into combat, same results. So I took over lead tank and we actually ended up doing ok. Since I had slotted the hell out of my primary, even though they were DO's the healer could keep me up better than the other 2 tanks. I grabbed and held aggro and the damage dealers did their thing, The Empath defender even got to use her secondary!
So I've learned to check character info, lvl 50? Check, Veteran badges = 0 Check.
After that you have to start asking some pretty specific questions.
Did you slot your primary (if its a tanker or defender or controller) did you slot your secondary if its a Scrapper.
Are your slots grey or red?
Usually we can teach them the stuff they need to know from there on out.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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We have been seeing this for long before MA was even announced. It isnt anything new.
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Yeah, before MA people was stuck in PI. A few times I got sick of hearing in BC how do you get out of PI. I said a few times, go to the island to the northwest.
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
-Inc
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It's not AE's fault.
It's the fault of farm exploiters and PL'ers like you.
You are the one to blame.
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Damn right... I'm sure he is one of those people that believe you don't need purples or whatever.. that if you take your time and play the game stuff will come to you! yeah, whatever... who said anything about need? well he better becarful because if i see him in atlas I just might run him over with my tractor!!!
It's better to save the Mystery, than surrender to the secret...
But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
-Inc