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So...you'd rather be stuck up than give some easy directions? I'm sure you're doing something important in Pocket D after all...

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I'd rather people put forth the minimal amount of effort required to learn such a basic aspect of the interface themselves.

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Yes, it is extremely ridiculous.
I seriously think that since the PL'ing exploits became available there was a massive influx from a certain other MMORPG where the players don't behave as politely and are nowhere near as friendly as the average CoX player of old.
I have a feeling that this new crowd came because they don't think you can "really" play an MMORPG until you hit level 50.

Those of us that have been here for a while know that is not the case with CoX.
If you rush to level 50 in CoX, you missed the "playing" of the game.
CoX is about exploring the game environment as you progress.

Once you are level 50, pretty much everywhere except for the MA and the highest level zones aren't a challenge or worth taking the time to explore.

I can only hope that once they get to level 50 they take the time to make a new character and really play the game.
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For any of you new players reading this. Here are somethings that I really think that you should do ::
<ul type="square">[*]Run the training/tutorial mission - read everything in it. This will help you out a whole lot. (Sure you might know a lot about another MMORPG, but you don't know the basics of CoX)[*]I strongly suggest running some missions with your contacts before you do anything else.[*] If you team up early on, do it with a team that is your level.[*]Around the time you hit level 10 and before level 17, go to the university in Steel Canyon and run the University arc to learn about IO's.[*]Before you start selling stuff on the market, talk to the Market Rep and read the info about the Market.[*]If you have questions, use the [Help] channel by typing /hc [message]. There are still those of us who will help you. - but if you don't know basics, you might want to start at the top of my list before asking. I know that's the first place I will send you if you are asking about information that is in the tutorial/training area.[/list]
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I'd like to add on there, "Avoid the Sewers until you've done missions from your contacts."

The sewers are the gateway drug to MA PLing hehe.

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Okay first allow me to disagree on the sewers. While I DO agree a brand new player should run some missions in AP or Galaxy to get a feel for the game .. running the sewers in no way automatically leads to constant PLing. It's another methood of teaming and a fast way to find yourself at level 5, 6 or even higher. Then off to KR to run radios and get your Raptor Pack. I frequently use the sewers to get a few powers and levels under my belt and have NO desire to sit in the AE building, or PI before it existed, and run the same mission over and over and over again.



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You are obviously not a new player and thus my statement doesn't apply. It's to the brand new people who wind up on a sewer team, blow through 10 levels and expect to keep that pace, then complain when they don't know how to do anything, go anywhere, and are bored because they got to level 50 in 2 days.

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I can't say I've ever seen this behavior outside of the people who already thought they should be able to blow through levels and reach 50 in two days. The sewers is just a hazard zone, and the only reason I've ever recommended doing a bit of your first contact's missions was to get more powers to make surviving the sewers easier. You can street-sweep in hazard zones later on, so the sewer is no different from that.

It's only a "gateway to PLing" if the person in question was looking for that (fast levels) to begin with.

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So...you'd rather be stuck up than give some easy directions? I'm sure you're doing something important in Pocket D after all...

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I'd rather people put forth the minimal amount of effort required to learn such a basic aspect of the interface themselves.

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is it so hard to tell them to open their map? it's not like you have to hold their hand, but I guess it's cause I see no real problem w/ helping people regardless...

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Regardeless, i'd rather have these noobs and newbs take the time to do the tutorials and learn basics than have them broadcasting "Im lost! How do i get out of here!".

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Voltaire

I say take AE out of Atlas. Maybe only 1 AE building period. But then everyone will just end up in PI pl'ing again. It's gonna happen regardless. It's funny how so many forums posts are complaints but how FULL the farms are.

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So...you'd rather be stuck up than give some easy directions? I'm sure you're doing something important in Pocket D after all...

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I'd rather people put forth the minimal amount of effort required to learn such a basic aspect of the interface themselves.

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is it so hard to tell them to open their map? it's not like you have to hold their hand, but I guess it's cause I see no real problem w/ helping people regardless...

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Give a man a fish....

You "just" tell them how to get out, the original problem of their ignorance and laziness remains, you've only treated the symptoms.

The best way to prevent FUTURE problems rather than being an enabler would be to guide them to the MANUAL rather than the door. The manual consisting of the actual manual, the in-game help menu selection, the Help channel and the forums.

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So...you'd rather be stuck up than give some easy directions? I'm sure you're doing something important in Pocket D after all...

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I'd rather people put forth the minimal amount of effort required to learn such a basic aspect of the interface themselves.

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is it so hard to tell them to open their map? it's not like you have to hold their hand, but I guess it's cause I see no real problem w/ helping people regardless...

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Give a man a fish....

You "just" tell them how to get out, the original problem of their ignorance and laziness remains, you've only treated the symptoms.

The best way to prevent FUTURE problems rather than being an enabler would be to guide them to the MANUAL rather than the door. The manual consisting of the actual manual, the in-game help menu selection, the Help channel and the forums.

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What manual? I sure as hell didn't see one when I opened my CoH GVE box, I should complain to support and get them to send me one :P

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The more people I meet, the more I'm beginning to root for the zombies.

It actually comes ON the disc, but if you don't want to pull that out.. here you go.

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Yes, because it's so hard to figure out what those "exit to &lt;zone&gt;" markers on the map are.... I don't see helping willful ignorance. If someone isn't willing to do the minimal work needed to figure out the basics of the game themselves, I say let them flounder...

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So...you'd rather be stuck up than give some easy directions? I'm sure you're doing something important in Pocket D after all...

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is it so hard to tell them to open their map? it's not like you have to hold their hand, but I guess it's cause I see no real problem w/ helping people regardless...

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Is it so hard for them to look and see the word "map" on their interface and figure out to open it themselves? I have no problem with helping people, either. I have a problem with encouraging laziness.

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It actually comes ON the disc, but if you don't want to pull that out.. here you go.

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Well, I was about to post that the manual was so far behind the times but...holy hell...they've actually updated it. I'm totally shocked.

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Well, I was about to post that the manual was so far behind the times but...holy hell...they've actually updated it. I'm totally shocked.

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Holy crap. It's...it's...it's current.

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ya inorite?

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Well, I mean it's got no MA stuff, and it has Items of Power and Base Raids...but I'd give it to I13. I am really amazed.

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No, it appears to be through I-14 - the MA gets its own section (starting page 151).

Michelle
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I believe they ripped this one from the Mac Pack. Or maybe the AE edition box.

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Yeah, I just got there. Just...still in shock. Yes, also, to being shocked at seeing "Leveling Pacts" in the ToC.

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Strange, they call mezzes "binds" in the manual. That could get confusing for newbies.

Also: old Defiance. Other than that, very impressive.

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NightShift for Life.

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Strange, they call mezzes "binds" in the manual. That could get confusing for newbies.

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You're aware that "mezzes" was never an official term in CoH, right?

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Im tired of teaching n00bz

To point, I would rather trash talk them straight to there face, if possible make them quit this game forever. 11yrs of MMOs, makes a man jaded.


JJ

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I delete more 50s, then you'll ever have.
http://www.pandora.com/people/jjdemon

Nice to see you've completely forgotten that you were new once too.

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QR: So does that mean that Elizabeth and James are Niv and the Ocho?

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You are correct, I was once New, but I always made effort to learn &amp; figure stuff out. Even if it took me days, I always hated to ask people questions, because I enjoyed figuring them out myself.


n00bz on the other hand, like most of humanity, expect everyone to bend over backwards &amp; do everything for them. Its the Righteous Self Entitlement they &amp; 90% of humanity.


That is all, as I said, 11yrs of MMOs, Im tired of trying teach the out right lazy &amp; dumb.


JJ

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Thanks for clarifying. Put like that I actually agree with you, to a point. If someone is asking an honest question about something that isn't obvious I have no problem with answering them. If they want me to do it for them, I won't waste my time.

So many people call ALL new players n00bz that it is really hard to tell if they are aware of a distinction or not.

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