What and/or Who was /jranger?
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Posted on: 2009-06-03 06:57 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Apparently /jranger is something awesome that I totally missed when I was gone for a while... what was it? Why was it so awesome?
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A man who believed brevity was the soul of wit.
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Of course, I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who ever saw his hypocrisy.
[/ QUOTE ]He'd be a hypocrite only if he made bad suggestions.
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That's the thing though, HE wasn't the one messing with people. He was reacting too much, yes, but he didn't *start* the crap with those guys, he simply said "no" and they went ballistic. There was a LOT of "no" "ballistic" that week, believe me, but most of it made sense while I was watching.
Now, he'd said some OTHER extremely unattractive things, which was more or less what did get the banstick deservedly.
Heck I had a quote from him about magic versus something... it was a while ago, in my sig. Just kind of to prove that he DID say things other than "no". 
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I believe it was in relation to Harry Potter and muggles.
Pretty much everything he said in the weeks before his ban was pretty tame. The worst being "the ability to control magic runes has to be the stupidest mutant power I've ever heard of." Nothing major, considering some posters who remain on these forums.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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That's the thing though, HE wasn't the one messing with people. He was reacting too much, yes, but he didn't *start* the crap with those guys, he simply said "no" and they went ballistic. There was a LOT of "no" "ballistic" that week, believe me, but most of it made sense while I was watching.
Now, he'd said some OTHER extremely unattractive things, which was more or less what did get the banstick deservedly.
Heck I had a quote from him about magic versus something... it was a while ago, in my sig. Just kind of to prove that he DID say things other than "no".
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I believe it was in relation to Harry Potter and muggles.
Pretty much everything he said in the weeks before his ban was pretty tame. The worst being "the ability to control magic runes has to be the stupidest mutant power I've ever heard of." Nothing major, considering some posters who remain on these forums.
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Apparently /jranger is something awesome that I totally missed when I was gone for a while... what was it? Why was it so awesome?
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A man who believed brevity was the soul of wit.
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Of course, I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who ever saw his hypocrisy.
[/ QUOTE ]He'd be a hypocrite only if he made bad suggestions.
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As I recall, he usually /no'd suggestions that had little effort and thought put into them...much like his replies of /no.
Of course, I then recall him /noing every active thread on the S&I board, which probably didn't help his cause.
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Apparently /jranger is something awesome that I totally missed when I was gone for a while... what was it? Why was it so awesome?
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A man who believed brevity was the soul of wit.
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Of course, I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who ever saw his hypocrisy.
[/ QUOTE ]He'd be a hypocrite only if he made bad suggestions.
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As I recall, he usually /no'd suggestions that had little effort and thought put into them...much like his replies of /no.
Of course, I then recall him /noing every active thread on the S&I board, which probably didn't help his cause.
[/ QUOTE ]Everything he said no to was either a bad idea outright (with thought put into it or not), or he had his own reasons for disliking it (which he would detail when asked)
The fact that he posted so many "No"s is just a sign of how much the majority of posters on this forum shouldn't be game designers.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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The Man, The Myth, The Legend
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Just to let you know, I linked that earlier and it got deleted.
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Ditto. I went to link it, saw Reiraku's post, quoted it, and got modded, also. In any case, the ED link is right--JRanger pretty much only /JRangered the most egregiously stupid and poorly thought out ideas with very few exceptions. I can recall plenty of posts where he would say something like, "Not in a... Actually, that's a good idea. Nice work." Still, in light of the overwhelming amount of egregiously stupid and poorly thought out ideas in S&I, most people just remember him for the classic:
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The Man, The Myth, The Legend
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Just to let you know, I linked that earlier and it got deleted.
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Well, at the moment, I clicked on it and got a gigantic NSFW image above the description... so I would advise you tag the original linked post as such, given the possibility of the link being edited.
Thank you, Champion.
Yeah, I never saw any of the images others have, otherwise I would have.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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He wasn't a troll
[/ QUOTE ] I actually disagree on that point. I think what he was doing was the definition of trolling. He knew the kind or reactions it would get and did it anyways. I'm not criticizing him for it, I liked the guy and thought the reactions were funny as hell. But IMO he was trolling.
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Yeah, I never saw any of the images others have, otherwise I would have.
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I went back and read all over again for the heck of it. I enjoy ED more than I should. 
In any case, I still didn't see anything NSFW. Plus, I never tried to disguise my link--anyone could see that it went to ED. 
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It became so common, other posters adopted "/jranger" as a trendy to say "no" while also implying the topic wasn't worthy of further discussion.
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Actually, as the person who /jrangered something first -
We had one poster who was getting into a spittle-finging, mouth-foaming frenzy over people basically saying no to his ... um... ideas. I mean, you could hear him shrieking over the internet. He went and basically hit "report moderator" over everything.
So, since he was going that way over people saying no... I decided to try to defuse it slightly (and in a somewhat humerous way) by referring to the person known for "no" - JRanger.
It got picked up, and mutated, and folded, spindled, and mutilated. *shrug* And the original target of it (not JRanger) proved two things - one, that he had no sense of humor, and two, that he couldn't spell JRanger. I don't think in all his rabid tirades against it he *ever* spelled it right.
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with all due respect, he knew that the people he was "/no"ing would go ballistic
that's the very definition of messing with people
it was a popular sport back in the day. making fun of posters in the S&I forum, simply because you could. no explanation needed, just a mean-spirited "Your idea is dumb" thrown around for giggles. "/no" and all other variants are trolling. if you don't want to be called a troll, at least throw in a "standard code rant applied".
it turned into a "don't have ANY dreams kid, 'cause the kewl people will think you're stupid" situation. that's what got me angry about it all. ideas might be impractical, but to start making fun of people as a matter of course in the S&I forum was just grating
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Was he a JRager, then?
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Having been in on the "discussions" at that time, I am personally surprised *I* didn't get at least a temp ban during the issues.
He wasn't messing with those two. He was saying "no" to their incredibly stupid ideas, at which point both of them *went ballistic* in a way that no one - NO ONE - could have explained. For 2 or 3 nights, the forums were on fire. Jranger was not the instigator of this- their moronic ideas and kneejerk reactions to criticism were. I gave them a /no in more or less uncertain terms - they were positive that I was also a horrific villain. They were just stupid monkeys who I hope learned a bit from the experience...
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Having been in on the "discussions" at that time, I am personally surprised *I* didn't get at least a temp ban during the issues.
He wasn't messing with those two. He was saying "no" to their incredibly stupid ideas, at which point both of them *went ballistic* in a way that no one - NO ONE - could have explained. For 2 or 3 nights, the forums were on fire. Jranger was not the instigator of this- their moronic ideas and kneejerk reactions to criticism were. I gave them a /no in more or less uncertain terms - they were positive that I was also a horrific villain. They were just stupid monkeys who I hope learned a bit from the experience...
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... but seriously doubt they did?
Saying "no" to an idea was not, and is not, any sort of judgement or mockery of a person. It's a simple statement of disagreement - which, THANKS to those two people who went completely bats... er, let's be forum-friendly and say "they reacted far out of proportion to someone disagreeing, in ways rarely seen before, like launching the ex-Soviet nuclear arsenal because you can't find a parking space near the door," was then deemed an unwelcome reply by the mods... primarily *because* of that reaction.
There were long, drawn out arguments about that at the time, as well, which I won't start again (since they generally come out with no real compromise or ... well, there's no point, and it'd probably fall under "discussing moderator decisions," which goes against the board rules.)
Zekiran
that's the point. just because you think something is "incredibly stupid" doesn't make it so.
derision, even if used as 'humor', isn't going to change any minds or 'teach' anyone anything at all.
it's not funny. it's not smart. and, I'm sorry to say, it's not beneath you
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just because you think something is "incredibly stupid" doesn't make it so.
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The opposite is also true. Just because you think the idea is the most awesomest idea ever idea'd doesn't make it any less stupid.
I have seen some of the ideas that were /Jranger'd and I would agree that they were phenomenally bad ideas. Most of which had absolutely no thought put into them.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
Actually, yes, yes it does make it incredibly stupid.
The people putting up entirely moronic ideas got pissed that people would just out of hand say "no" - because they supposedly wanted feedback about their idea.
When it came down to it, some of those ideas were *so* bad and *so* impossible to tackle, just a plain old "no" was the ONLY option. It wasn't mocking - it was the truth.
And of course - when those people who couldn't put a good argument together to salvage their ideas in the face of ANY critique - even "the devs don't want to do that, it would take too long" or "we don't have the game mechanics for that" - they would flip out and start crying "they're hurting my feelings!"
The only butthurtness going on was by people who could neither take a joke, NOR criticism. When given that indepth "not just a no, but here's a no and why all the reasons no is the best reply" responses, *they did not think it was good enough*.
So... sorry, sometimes /no IS the best answer. Sometimes people do NOT understand that THEY are not being judged by their posts - until they decide to force the issue. Someone saying "no, that's not a good idea" is NOT saying "I think you're stupid".
Until the poster in question starts coming back with "you all hate me! I don't know why I even post here! this is the worst community ever!"
Which is ... well, stupid and wrong. Some people are, just... stupid and wrong. And yet, they type and have access to the internet. >_>
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