What people think of as the minimum varies. For example, 67.50 won't be sufficient if you start getting a bit of lag, or if you happen to zone just as it's about to come up, or if you happen to activate a power just as it's about to come up.
The problem is also in practice. When you're shaving it that close, its easy to be in the middle of a power's activation when you have to click, thus losing it. As Kahlan said, the "accepted" minimum will vary by person. One of my perma-doms has 75% global and four slotted Hasten, the other has 77.5% and three slotted hasten. Both give me 2-5 seconds of leeway to hit Hasten or Domination which is plenty for me.
I'll add that I am surprised you're able to get by on that. I have trouble even as low as 70 
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hey guys!!!
Recently getting my fire/psi dom to 50 and obtaining 150mill, I decided it was time to IO. So all of today, I've been IO'ing out my new character and after a while, I completely ran out of money, leaving me with only 67.50% global recharge.
I was hoping to aim for 70-ish percent, but was unable to (for today), and so I was toying around to see if I could perhaps still obtain permadom with my low recharge rate
And surprisingly, I was able to.
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I've been thinking of creating a Dom as my next character, pending seeing Castle's upcoming changes. And I've been wondering about what the budget should be for permadom. I've heard people toss around wild figures well north of a billion. But you were able to do it with 150 million--nice!
My question is: is this typical? Assuming I'm a reasonably thrifty shopper (defined as: I don't pay "buy it nao" prices, I buy recipes rather than crafted IOs, and I'm willing to post a bid that takes a week or so to get fulfilled) what kind of budget is reasonable to plan for?
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I've been thinking of creating a Dom as my next character, pending seeing Castle's upcoming changes. And I've been wondering about what the budget should be for permadom. I've heard people toss around wild figures well north of a billion. But you were able to do it with 150 million--nice!
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Depends on the build, my Mind/Nrg was my first permadom, he was perma at 37 and it only costed less than 50 mil. Was it worth it? Kinda, overall I got use of about 60% of the damage boost, the mez protection was nice and the end refill helped offset the fact that I didn't have stamina. The main thing I like other than the mez protection was the fact that my powers were recharging fast and I was holding everything in one shot anything from Boss level below was not a problem and I don't believed he was ever touched often. Teams loved the fact that my AoE hold held everybody for a long time.
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My question is: is this typical? Assuming I'm a reasonably thrifty shopper (defined as: I don't pay "buy it nao" prices, I buy recipes rather than crafted IOs, and I'm willing to post a bid that takes a week or so to get fulfilled) what kind of budget is reasonable to plan for?
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Again depends on build and how much time. If you take /Nrg and the presence pool you could have just 70 off of that with like less that 10 mil.
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What people think of as the minimum varies. For example, 67.50 won't be sufficient if you start getting a bit of lag, or if you happen to zone just as it's about to come up, or if you happen to activate a power just as it's about to come up.
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hehe, I understand that the minimum for each person will vary... I mainly was trying to figure what the absolute lowest percentage needed in order to keep it up for some time was... I'm pretty sure I won't be able to keep it up in missions or anything of the sort 
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hey guys!!!
Recently getting my fire/psi dom to 50 and obtaining 150mill, I decided it was time to IO. So all of today, I've been IO'ing out my new character and after a while, I completely ran out of money, leaving me with only 67.50% global recharge.
I was hoping to aim for 70-ish percent, but was unable to (for today), and so I was toying around to see if I could perhaps still obtain permadom with my low recharge rate
And surprisingly, I was able to.
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I've been thinking of creating a Dom as my next character, pending seeing Castle's upcoming changes. And I've been wondering about what the budget should be for permadom. I've heard people toss around wild figures well north of a billion. But you were able to do it with 150 million--nice!
My question is: is this typical? Assuming I'm a reasonably thrifty shopper (defined as: I don't pay "buy it nao" prices, I buy recipes rather than crafted IOs, and I'm willing to post a bid that takes a week or so to get fulfilled) what kind of budget is reasonable to plan for?
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My Mind/Fire has 72.50 % in build 1 (Single target with Black Scorp PP and Stealth Pool) and 60% in build 2. I perma often in my first and it's iffy in build 2. I have 3-slotted Hasten in both builds and Geas/Force of Nature in a pinch.
Just putzing around in Sharkhead on build 2 (AoEs/Leadership/Mako) I was able to overlap Dom though the window is small.
I typically have Dom on Auto at all times, so have to click Hasten as soon as it acitvates, or at least have Hasten ready for that occurence.
You likely won't perma in zones, sadly. I can only perma when activating Force of Nature or with outside buffs occasionally.
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Using Mids Hero Planner long ago when building my 2 permadoms I isolated the three stages of Permadom.
In Dragonball Z there are three stages of the Super Saiyan, in COV there are stages of Permadom.
70% recharge from IO sets and 6 slotted hasten = Permdom
90% recharge from IO sets and 6 slotted hasten = Permdom and PermHasten aka Ascended Permadom or Permadom 2
But just wait, it gets better........
Cut to scene of Recluse and his Lieutenants:
Ghost Widow: has he really found a way to surpass an Ascended Permadom? Is that possible?
Scirocco: Nah he's bluffing, he'd be what double ascended?
Cut back to the dom as he begins to power up.....
Lord Recluse: "WHAT's HE DOING?"
Dominator: "AND THIS....GOES EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!"
<Insert 10 minutes of yelling and screaming has his power builds while everyone watches, unable to stop what's happening>
"Sorry that took so long. It takes a little time to power up....call this Super Permadom 3"
125% recharge from IO sets and you and throw Hasten away as it won't be needed.
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125% recharge from IO sets and you and throw Hasten away as it won't be needed.
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This sounds awesome, but it also sounds expensive. Without using purples, you'd need all 5 of each recharge percentage: 7.5, 6.25, 5, 3.75, 2.5. I haven't finished running the math yet, but do we even get enough enhancement slots to manage that? I think we only get 24 powers so I doubt it. That means using purples which is $$$.
Is my math right? Is purple the only way to do this? I think I could orange my entire build for the price of one purple set.
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125% recharge from IO sets and you and throw Hasten away as it won't be needed.
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This sounds awesome, but it also sounds expensive. Without using purples, you'd need all 5 of each recharge percentage: 7.5, 6.25, 5, 3.75, 2.5. I haven't finished running the math yet, but do we even get enough enhancement slots to manage that? I think we only get 24 powers so I doubt it. That means using purples which is $$$.
Is my math right? Is purple the only way to do this? I think I could orange my entire build for the price of one purple set.
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You can do 5X 7.5 (the PvP hold sets have 7.5, for instance) and 5X LotG. Although numerically identical, they are counted as different bonuses by the engine.
But loading up on LotGs and exotic hold sets isn't exactly cheap, either, so YMMV.
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125% recharge from IO sets and you and throw Hasten away as it won't be needed.
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This sounds awesome, but it also sounds expensive. Without using purples, you'd need all 5 of each recharge percentage: 7.5, 6.25, 5, 3.75, 2.5. I haven't finished running the math yet, but do we even get enough enhancement slots to manage that? I think we only get 24 powers so I doubt it. That means using purples which is $$$.
Is my math right? Is purple the only way to do this? I think I could orange my entire build for the price of one purple set.
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Actually ...
You can do 5X 7.5 (the PvP hold sets have 7.5, for instance) and 5X LotG. Although numerically identical, they are counted as different bonuses by the engine.
But loading up on LotGs and exotic hold sets isn't exactly cheap, either, so YMMV.
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Ahh, I thought the LotG was a unique. But yeah, not exactly cheap either, not to mention it'll be hard to get 5 +def skills on a dom...
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Ahh, I thought the LotG was a unique. But yeah, not exactly cheap either, not to mention it'll be hard to get 5 +def skills on a dom...
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Concealment pool + Combat Jumping = 4, and, IIRC, Black Scorpion's shield is def, so that makes 5.
Pre-purples, I had my fire / fire perma with judicious use of purples shoved into the concealment pool.
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125% recharge from IO sets and you and throw Hasten away as it won't be needed.
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This sounds awesome, but it also sounds expensive. Without using purples, you'd need all 5 of each recharge percentage: 7.5, 6.25, 5, 3.75, 2.5. I haven't finished running the math yet, but do we even get enough enhancement slots to manage that? I think we only get 24 powers so I doubt it. That means using purples which is $$$.
Is my math right? Is purple the only way to do this? I think I could orange my entire build for the price of one purple set.
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You would need Purple sets, some non Purple Sets and some LOTG. My SP3 is missing 2 LOTG which would top her off at about 145% recharge. However they aren't needed as she is past the milestone for SP3 already so I'm not rushing for them. Also it was built before the addition of the new PVP sets but from what I see on the market those are not cheap and I bet they don't drop very often.
As to the final price tag, it depends on your power sets and pool powers and just how far you want to go. At the very least I'd go for permdom+permhasten.
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Ahh, I thought the LotG was a unique. But yeah, not exactly cheap either, not to mention it'll be hard to get 5 +def skills on a dom...
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Concealment pool + Combat Jumping = 4, and, IIRC, Black Scorpion's shield is def, so that makes 5.
Pre-purples, I had my fire / fire perma with judicious use of purples shoved into the concealment pool.
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Yes, Grant Invis, Stealth, Invis, plus Combat Jump plus Black Scorpion's is the only shield that is defense all other patrons are resist.
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You would need Purple sets, some non Purple Sets and some LOTG. My SP3 is missing 2 LOTG which would top her off at about 145% recharge. However they aren't needed as she is past the milestone for SP3 already so I'm not rushing for them. Also it was built before the addition of the new PVP sets but from what I see on the market those are not cheap and I bet they don't drop very often.
As to the final price tag, it depends on your power sets and pool powers and just how far you want to go. At the very least I'd go for permdom+permhasten.
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Well I know myself. I don't want to be watching both buttons to press immediately, and since you can only have one auto-fire, I'd sooner have SP3 and not worry about it. Of course, that's ridonkulously expensive so perhaps it's best to just go for semi-permadom...enough hasten/recharge to let me chain dom for 10 or 15m before I lose it...something like that. Then again, with the upcoming changes, perhaps I should just forget about perma-.
Still, the exercise of creating a perma-build from scratch in theory (using mids and excel) sounds like a lot of fun to me...and after creating it, I might as well just build it and play it. 
Are you the only "SP3" around, Nericus?
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You would need Purple sets, some non Purple Sets and some LOTG. My SP3 is missing 2 LOTG which would top her off at about 145% recharge. However they aren't needed as she is past the milestone for SP3 already so I'm not rushing for them. Also it was built before the addition of the new PVP sets but from what I see on the market those are not cheap and I bet they don't drop very often.
As to the final price tag, it depends on your power sets and pool powers and just how far you want to go. At the very least I'd go for permdom+permhasten.
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Well I know myself. I don't want to be watching both buttons to press immediately, and since you can only have one auto-fire, I'd sooner have SP3 and not worry about it. Of course, that's ridonkulously expensive so perhaps it's best to just go for semi-permadom...enough hasten/recharge to let me chain dom for 10 or 15m before I lose it...something like that. Then again, with the upcoming changes, perhaps I should just forget about perma-.
Still, the exercise of creating a perma-build from scratch in theory (using mids and excel) sounds like a lot of fun to me...and after creating it, I might as well just build it and play it.
Are you the only "SP3" around, Nericus?
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Nah there are other SP3's. There don't seem to be many, but I know I'm not the only one, and not the first. Just the one that coined the term
Also, why the panic about upcoming Dom changes? Castle has made it clear many a time that permadom is not changing. Permdom existed prior to IO's...you just needed hasten about 4 kin corrs to SB you......the Devs have known about Permdom since Dominators came around, it is not going anywhere.
And yes, SP3 aint cheap. But as a SP3 mind/energy.....well....lets just say that things become almost....too easy. If you are looking for a budget, then go for permdom/permhasten, set dom to autofire and know that when dom goes off you need to check hasten and have it ready.
My Fire-psi is an Ascended Permdom and should I rack up the funds then he too will evolve to SP3, but it's not a priority.
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Nah there are other SP3's. There don't seem to be many, but I know I'm not the only one, and not the first. Just the one that coined the term
Also, why the panic about upcoming Dom changes? Castle has made it clear many a time that permadom is not changing. Permdom existed prior to IO's...you just needed hasten about 4 kin corrs to SB you......the Devs have known about Permdom since Dominators came around, it is not going anywhere.
And yes, SP3 aint cheap. But as a SP3 mind/energy.....well....lets just say that things become almost....too easy. If you are looking for a budget, then go for permdom/permhasten, set dom to autofire and know that when dom goes off you need to check hasten and have it ready.
My Fire-psi is an Ascended Permdom and should I rack up the funds then he too will evolve to SP3, but it's not a priority.
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I was under the impression that they were taking damage out of Domination, which was the main reason to permadom. Without that need, permadom is less of a "must have" and more of a "cool bonus". I admit I'm not well-read on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Also (slight hijack here...), you're one of the only people I've read on these boards who touts /energy. I was thinking of making a /energy since that power boost skill sounds like a great buff. I figure it's just begging for a primary with sweet secondary effects to feed off it. I was thinking of going grav since propel is pure win. Gimpy? Doable but not worth the investment? Best idea ever? What's a good primary to go with energy if I simply must use it?
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But you were able to do it with 150 million--nice!
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quite easy to do a non-purple Permadom build since MA came out, I'm glad for the most part that Decimation and Positron's Blast took a dive in price.
minimum recharge for this so called "SP3" is 123.5
I have a fire/psy "SP3" i made for under 500 mil when AE took a dive, no purples, 4 LotG's, so at the markets now it might be to the upward of 700 mil. Alot of money, but nowhere near impossible. if u purple it out, it could be in the upwards of 1.5 bil, but for this "sp3" its not impossible for small budgets to acheive "sp3"
While I am quite an active person in saying that you can permadom for cheap, I do want to note, 500 million is not by my definition of 'cheap.' Yes, it could be more expensive, but that's money you have to work to get.
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minimum recharge for this so called "SP3" is 123.5
I have a fire/psy "SP3" i made for under 500 mil when AE took a dive, no purples, 4 LotG's, so at the markets now it might be to the upward of 700 mil. Alot of money, but nowhere near impossible. if u purple it out, it could be in the upwards of 1.5 bil, but for this "sp3" its not impossible for small budgets to acheive "sp3"
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Might be quicker to get the BG set too
hey guys!!!
Recently getting my fire/psi dom to 50 and obtaining 150mill, I decided it was time to IO. So all of today, I've been IO'ing out my new character and after a while, I completely ran out of money, leaving me with only 67.50% global recharge.
I was hoping to aim for 70-ish percent, but was unable to (for today), and so I was toying around to see if I could perhaps still obtain permadom with my low recharge rate
And surprisingly, I was able to. With 67.50% global recharge, three-slotted hasten with all recharge reduction IOs, I somehow managed to obtain permadom and keep it for about 30+ minutes.
Now, I believe that 67.50% is the minimum because as I was testing it out, my domination was starting to reset at zero JUST as domination was click-able.
I don't know if this information has been discovered before... but I thought I would share it with the forums