Newb Q - What's with crafted selling for so much??
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2009-05-19 24:22 in The Market and Inventions
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Is it me or I can I just buy recipes cheap, craft them and repost the crafted items, and make TONS of cash?! I'm used to playing the market on Eve Online where you NEVER see opportunities this obvious. Usually if it looks too good to be true, you forgot to move a decimal. But I really think this looks to be the case here. Am I missing something or are consumers just really stupid in this game?
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Original post 5/19. JUST over 2 months to get to 1bil, which includes a 300mil false start on my old "main". I mean, I know it's nothing special, but it feels good to read this and look back at how far I've come...and how eeeeeebil!
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Looking back over the thread, I have a question for you...
Did you ever get that Portable Crafting Table? 
Cheers,
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I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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Looking back over the thread, I have a question for you...
Did you ever get that Portable Crafting Table?
Cheers,
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I got halfway there on my original "main" and haven't thought about it since I switched. My SG base has a table and it's not a far run from Wents to the Base Portal in Atlas. Now that I have a SG Base with a grey room, a yellow room and a orange room each full of salvage racks (guess how I organize them?), I get the recipes I want, run to the base, grab up the needed salvage (writing down anything I use up so I can refill later), craft everything, run back and post.
Really, I've just learned to be more efficient in my old age. I don't need the table so I'm not gonna bother with it. I MAY work on getting it just for the extra salvage slots (I mean once you do all that, might as well get them all right??). It'll be nice to have all the recipes memorized on one toon so I can twink alts more efficiently. 
You only think you don't need the table. My crafter with the table is so blessed lazy that, if the table explodes and she has empty market slots, she just buys more salvage.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
Nicely done! And you didn't even have to use 2x XP weekend!
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
I have the table on four different characters, each on a different server or different faction of the same server. I find that all it accomplishes is it shaves off some time when I'm buying, crafting and selling. It's nice, the badges and extra stuff that comes with it are nicer. Plus the table's a bit buggy (if you move around a lot/move too far away from it, the image of the table moves, although the table itself hasn't moved -- been several times where I had to play hide & seek to figure out where it actually was) and it startles me when it explodes.
I've given up crafting generic IOs but for well over a year all I did was craft level 35 heals and defense IOs. From my perspective it seems obvious that damage, accuracy and heal IOs are among the biggest sellers, and level 35 seemed like a good spot to sell them at -- at a point where people can buy and slot IOs and never need to do it again if they don't want to (I do this myself on many of my alts).
For some reason, I could never see a big enough profit margin in damage and accuracy IOs, but I could reliably sell level 35 heals for above 175,000 influence a piece -- usually for 200,000 to 250,000. But I started in on defensive IOs V-side when Arachnos Soldiers came out, and I realized that many of my widow's powers were defensive based. Sure enough, they sold well -- really well. They didn't sell badly heroside either, and after shields came out I think they just sold that much better. I could sell level 35 defense IOs redside for 350,000 or more, and heroside for nearly as much, I think. I'd list them for about 235.000 and see what they actually sold for, but always they sold out in a day or two at most.
I even have 1 character on Liberty that is only level 22, my highest on that server, that I have some 200 million influence on -- largely from memorizing the level 30/35 heal IO recipe then crafting and selling a couple of times a week for about a year or so.
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What hasn't been mentioned is the time-saving convenience of crafting at the market itself, saving a trip in and out of the base. Typically, I'll cycle 5 or so characters within half an hour (about 5 minutes each). Adding another, say, 5-10 minutes to zone in and out of base substantially cuts down on the inf I earn per minute logged in.|
I have a single villain and a single hero that each have the table, and some of those uses are convenient, but more often than not, I usually just end up using the base for crafting. |
But considering the time it takes to actually earn the crafting badge, is it worth it? To each their own here, but it sure helps cut down the 'cycle time' of clearing the market positions of several characters.
(eta) What it actually means in RL terms is that I can cycle through more characters and clear their markets positions during lunch hour or a short session with crafting tables than if they didn't. The net result is more inf for the entire group of characters with my ability to clear the market positions of more characters in a limited time span.
(ps) As an introduction, I've been playing almost a year now and lurk (and chuckle at some of the posts here!) here quite a bit. I think market play is part and parcel of gameplay as I try to both optimize my characters' builds and how I play them in missions.
The table is very, very nice because it saves you time zoning in and out of your base to craft.
Another neat thing is with all the crafting badges as well as the Vanguard Storage Sack, a level 50 character has a salvage inventory of 80. This is exactly enough to craft two full stacks of IO set enhancements (4 pieces of salvage per recipe).
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He will? Dude's kind of bonehead...|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Now here's a question. Is it worth the money to get the crafter badge so I can summon a crafting table? I noticed that regular old non-set IO's generally sell for a loss, but that may just be the really low-level ones that people craft for the badge and then just dump on the market. Does this turn around at higher levels or will all my crafting towards a badge be at a loss? [/ QUOTE ] I think Squez has a guide to getting Field Crafter somewhere- if not, I'm sure he'll pop in eventually with some expert advice. |
I did put a section in the guide on whether it's worth the effort. The thing is, as others are saying, you should be making money on the way to Field Crafter. Not Smurphy kind of money, but decent walking around money. You'll only be taking a hit on the lvl 10s, the Mez category, and the Debuff category--and even then people have been more generous about Mez for the last several months (you can now break even if you don't mind some slot clog for a few days).
For my characters that have it, it's sometimes simply amusing (I had a lvl 19 scrapper get it and a level 17 stalker who, as usual, started with nothing; that kind of thing amuses me greatly). For the others, it's just nice to say sayonara to Steel, Cap, Talos (closest base portal) and all their power spammers.
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An Etruscan Snood will nevermore be free
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Erm, yes, "playing" the stock market is gambling.|
Actually from his description, I'd guess he's NOT a stock broker. Playing the stock market is gambling, unless you're privvy to inside information. There are a lot of better ways to make guaranteed money.
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"Investing" in the stock market is not really gambling, if you do it right. It's getting information that is publicly available (though sometimes not trivially easy to get), and analyzing it to make informed decisions about whether a company will succeed or fail.
There are undeterminable variables that might invalidate your research (like whether a certain country will shoot at another country across their boundaries, which both might happen to be near vast energy reserves), but that's really no more of a gamble than taking an airplane across the country.
Calling investing "gambling" foments fear in peple who are ignorant of basic money management of an unknowable magical technique to make money from thin air. There's no magic to it. It's hard work, combined with smart allocation of resources, defensive strategies, and a little bit of luck (as with any endeavor). This causes these 'ignorant' (non-perjorative) people to "invest" in things like cars, which are nearly always depreciating assets.
Fools 'play' the stock market. Smart people invest.
[carefully steps down off impossibly high horse]
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"A good n00b-sauce is based on a good n00b-roux." - The Masque
And then we start getting into quotes like "The stock market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" and "The stock market is a voting machine in the short term and a weighing machine in the long term" and "in the long term we are all dead" and whatnot.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but it's the only way to actually retire and not have to be broke. Of course there are risks.
If only the real world was like CoH. No one would ever actually use the 3 bathrooms in all the SG bases, traffic wouldn't really be a problem, and El Super Mexicano wouldn't give us all explosive...
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"A good n00b-sauce is based on a good n00b-roux." - The Masque
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My brother is an accountant, notorious skinflint, and master planner.|
Originally Posted by galadiman
Fools 'play' the stock market. Smart people invest.
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My son was visiting him for awhile and remarked one day that my brother should invest in some chopsticks (we have an abundant supply at my house, and they're surprisingly useful in several contexts).
Well, using the word "invest" for a "purchase" (on a non-depreciable item no less) was too much for my brother to handle, so my poor son was subject to a very long diatribe on how purchasing such items could not be seen as an investment.
I, of course, did what any brother would do and invested in some chopsticks on my brother's behalf when I came down to visit.
President of the Arbiter Sands fan club. We will never forget.
An Etruscan Snood will nevermore be free
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Benjamin Graham, right?
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
"The stock market is a voting machine in the short term and a weighing machine in the long term"
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Your brother needs to understand intangible benefits. |
Originally Posted by Squez
My brother is an accountant, notorious skinflint, and master planner.
My son was visiting him for awhile and remarked one day that my brother should invest in some chopsticks (we have an abundant supply at my house, and they're surprisingly useful in several contexts). Well, using the word "invest" for a "purchase" (on a non-depreciable item no less) was too much for my brother to handle, so my poor son was subject to a very long diatribe on how purchasing such items could not be seen as an investment. I, of course, did what any brother would do and invested in some chopsticks on my brother's behalf when I came down to visit. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I think it's Benjamin Graham; it's a second-order quote because Warren Buffet quotes it in the Berkshire annual reports just about every year. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Benjamin Graham, right?
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... which I read online. I have neither a mansion nor a yacht in RL.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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Agreed! |
Originally Posted by Squez
My brother is an accountant, notorious skinflint, and master planner.
My son was visiting him for awhile and remarked one day that my brother should invest in some chopsticks (we have an abundant supply at my house, and they're surprisingly useful in several contexts). |
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Arc #6015 - Coming Unglued
"A good n00b-sauce is based on a good n00b-roux." - The Masque
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hmm.... "Groin Strike Using Chopsticks as a Weapon"|
Originally Posted by galadiman
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ouch
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You don't need a mansion or a yacht to invest in Berkshire-Hathaway. The B shares are cheap (at least in comparison to the A shares). I don't have any, myself. I recognize the quote from reading 'The Intelligent Investor' by Graham. Originally published in 1949 and still useful.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
I think it's Benjamin Graham; it's a second-order quote because Warren Buffet quotes it in the Berkshire annual reports just about every year.
... which I read online. I have neither a mansion nor a yacht in RL. |
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* sniff * How will the casual player ever purple their warshade with this kind of ebil on the loose?
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I happen to know that the only reason Flushots (who got started at the same time as me in this very thread!) hasn't posted his own eBil thread is that he's been buying purples. Not for his warshade tho...
...noob.