Finally real emapthy is why I want it to happen. Pain dom is good but it just isnt what was asked for. Now that I look it and what recent changes we had I can see why the gave us this. Because it had to go to masterinds Painbringer was pretty much gutted and given damage instead of recharge.
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I actually prefer PD over Empathy, I'm glad it's not a carbon copy. Just because people will be able to bring empaths over to redside doesn't remove the appeal of corrupters.
Defenders are lower damage and they don't have scourge. Sure they heal for more, but a good corr don't have to heal if the targets dead. 
I like Pain Domination more
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It makes sense. An empath is someone who can feel another's emotions. Now imagine an Empath who is completely psychotic? Feeling everyone's pain around them, getting a kick out of it, a rise out of it. So they use their powers of Empathy to twist up their opponent's emotions driving them to the brink of insanity while getting their own allies in the right kind of mindset to promote more misery.
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That would be Apathy. The complete disregard for the emotions of others in favor of the emotions you yourself feel as a result. IMO, this is what Pain Domination should have been called.
Still, as others have said, these powers and their titles and descriptions are merely placeholders for whatever power you imagine the character actually using. Some people imagine they are using medical techniques. Others might call it the light of heaven. Still others may imagine it is a set of druidic spells.
Either way, I doubt these powersets will be proliferated cross faction, since they are basically the same set when it comes down to it.
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Being an Empath never ever meant acting empathically with every existing beings in the world. One is always free to choose and use her powers in the benefits of those she feels are worth it.
I definitely can see an Empath working for Arachnos and gladly taking care of her assigned soldier squad but not giving a [censored] about saving the worthless live of mere commoners.
Empaths fit just fine in Rogue Isles just as Pain Doms fits just fine in Paragon City. It is all about the context, motivations and perspectives.
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Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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As a new set with a distinctly different feel, I very much enjoy Pain Domination.
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Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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Everything is white or black in your life?
Many Arachnos followers do not see themselve as bad or evil persons at all. They are not different than the military in Paragon City. They are not all inherently Evil. An empath could just fit well in Arachnos even if her only goal would be to tend to the wounds of her comrades.
Again, there is nothing inherently good about being an empath. There is nothing inherently evil about dominating pain.
You are assigning moral values to powersets. Powersets have none. The way you use powers sorts you out as evil, or good.
Guns are not evil, people that use them might or might not be however. Simple as that.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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Here's the thing. What you propose won't work for gameplay reasons.
Pain Domination and Empathy have different powers. That means they have different enhancement slotting.
If a character side-switches...and their powerset, in the process, changes from Pain Domination to Empathy (or vice-versa), their enhancement slotting is going to go wahoonie-shaped.
That means you'd probably need an immediate respec. Fine. That's doable.
Even so, it's a great and terrible inconvenience, particularly if you're a high-level character with significant IO set slotting and expensive enhancements in your build.
Sure, the devs could do it your way, but it'd be a nightmare for many players.
That's why I doubt the developers would go down this route. It's not very player-friendly at all, and in fact requires more technical resources.
It would in fact be easier to just shift a character directly from heroside to villainside. Indeed we've seen how this might go; there's been a few famous cases of characters created on the wrong side.
I still have a screenshot on my HD somewhere of that level 50 brute I ran into on a heroside Hami raid. His bio basically told the story of his adventures with customer support. =D
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Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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Everything is white or black in your life?
Many Arachnos followers do not see themselve as bad or evil persons at all. They are not different than the military in Paragon City. They are not all inherently Evil. An empath could just fit well in Arachnos even if her only goal would be to tend to the wounds of her comrades.
Again, there is nothing inherently good about being an empath. There is nothing inherently evil about dominating pain.
You are assigning moral values to powersets. Powersets have none. The way you use powers sorts you out as evil, or good.
Guns are not evil, people that use them might or might not be however. Simple as that.
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That's probably the most ridiculous example of hyperbole I've seen in my entire time on these boards.
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Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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Everything is white or black in your life?
Many Arachnos followers do not see themselve as bad or evil persons at all. They are not different than the military in Paragon City. They are not all inherently Evil. An empath could just fit well in Arachnos even if her only goal would be to tend to the wounds of her comrades.
Again, there is nothing inherently good about being an empath. There is nothing inherently evil about dominating pain.
You are assigning moral values to powersets. Powersets have none. The way you use powers sorts you out as evil, or good.
Guns are not evil, people that use them might or might not be however. Simple as that.
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That's probably the most ridiculous example of hyperbole I've seen in my entire time on these boards.
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Well, unless you are an Opus Dei servant, i have a hard time understanding why what i have written here is sooo hyperbole to your eyes. Seriously.
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In super hero terms it's not unheard of for certain people to develop their ability further to alter the emotions of others.
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Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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I believe that is precisely what Pain Domination is. They are the antithesis of Empathy. IMO, fallen Empaths would become Pain Doms, as fallen Jedi become Dark Jedi.
If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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Everything is white or black in your life?
Many Arachnos followers do not see themselve as bad or evil persons at all. They are not different than the military in Paragon City. They are not all inherently Evil. An empath could just fit well in Arachnos even if her only goal would be to tend to the wounds of her comrades.
Again, there is nothing inherently good about being an empath. There is nothing inherently evil about dominating pain.
You are assigning moral values to powersets. Powersets have none. The way you use powers sorts you out as evil, or good.
Guns are not evil, people that use them might or might not be however. Simple as that.
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That's probably the most ridiculous example of hyperbole I've seen in my entire time on these boards.
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Well, unless you are an Opus Dei servant, i have a hard time understanding why what i have written here is sooo hyperbole to your eyes. Seriously.
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You seriously don't think equating the dangers and responsibilities associated with guns with video game powers wasn't just a little far-fetched? Even on an Internet message board, where Godwin's law is regularly practiced?
Hie thee to some perspective and step back from the game, then. You're taking it way too seriously.
And stop pulling your overwrought, backhanded accusations from The Da Vinci Code; you're obviously far too impressionable to be reading material so far above you.
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Empathy is psychic in nature. However, I was going by the comic book definition in which heroes with Empathy also have the power to control the emotions of others. You can be Empathic person but there is a psychic ability known as "empathy" in which a person has the ability to read the emotions of others by simply being in their presence. In super hero terms it's not unheard of for certain people to develop their ability further to alter the emotions of others.
This isn't possible in COH but it has been displayed by several characters in Marvel comics and I believe one character in DC. As to the other person who said that they'd only learn to care for others. Not the case. You can feel what someone else feels, you can understand the pain, and at the same time you could end up caring more about yourself.
Also, as I said before, what if an Empath who has developed his abilities further ends up going mad? What if feeling everyone's emotions overwhelms the person's brain driving him/her insane? Then at the same time, the person retaliates by attacking/twisting the emotions of those around him? It is theoretically possible for an Empath to be a villain if the person is able to control the emotions of others.
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There's also Alma from the games FEAR and FEAR 2. In the backstory describing Alma's history it mentions her psychic powers being empathic in nature, specifically zeroing in on everyone's negative emotions, which is what helped send her over the edge into insanity.
Of course, her psionic ability to melt your skin from your bones is a power apart from her empathy (being basic psychotic psychic powers), but she is empathic. Selectively empathic, but still empathic.
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If Castle were to add the ability for Villains to be Empaths I would be very, very disappointed.
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if castle were to add the ability for villains to be empaths i would be very, very pleased.
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but they got pretty much what they wanted otherwise.
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