I came back after a long absence and found a broken train wreck of pvp. What's up with all these changes?
Just saying, but it was entirely possible to kill someone fully buffed with max resistance and defense pre pvp nerf.
I can understand some of the changes. Like heal decay, I could conceivably see decay at a rate of like 5 percent per heal, up to a cap. The resist on mezzes I can also see, but to this degree is... well, from what I've seen, it's like... Dominators and Controllers have been removed from the game. And buffing? Seriously?
But yeah, I'm not satisfied with all these changes. I wasn't a top level PvPer by any means, but like, these changes are pretty much ridiculous. Not going into PvP zones.
Made an AR/Dev blaster, had fun. Then ED came. AR/Dev sucked. Quit for two years. Came back for a while. AR/Dev still sucks. Quit after getting bored again. Came back. AR/Dev still sucks.
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I came back after a long absence and found a broken train wreck of pvp. What's up with all these changes?
Just saying, but it was entirely possible to kill someone fully buffed with max resistance and defense pre pvp nerf.
I can understand some of the changes. Like heal decay, I could conceivably see decay at a rate of like 5 percent per heal, up to a cap. The resist on mezzes I can also see, but to this degree is... well, from what I've seen, it's like... Dominators and Controllers have been removed from the game. And buffing? Seriously?
But yeah, I'm not satisfied with all these changes. I wasn't a top level PvPer by any means, but like, these changes are pretty much ridiculous. Not going into PvP zones.
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I would be fine with heal decay but not the suppression for using it. Like I've said...some of the changes I can deal with but travel suppression really hurts buffing toons.
Pretty much why other MMO's get a higher population. They actually listen to their players and fix the problem. Admiting that you Effed up like Jack Emmert did, is a sure sign that your willing to try and fix the problem. But then again pride plays a major issue in most cases. Everyone knows the PVP sucks, they just dont waste their time playing in the Zones for badges. 7th, theres a sandwhich in your future, you just havent made it yet. 
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Zone PvP is horrible.
1. Why does Hibernate grey out when you use phase shift? With all the suppression these two powers help my corrup stay alive. Can't you attack a phase shifter person now? Maybe it's time to remove this change, hello??
2. Why all this suppression? Why do you punish builds that heal/buff?? Do you punish a blaster for using his main attack too much in a certain time period? Maybe drop the damage a bit after each use?
3, How about creating a zone without all these goofy changes and allow some strategy back in pvp??
I've been pvping since it came out on test & I find myself confused on why I'm leveling up any toons for zone pvp. It's really not worth it, is it?
BTW...Rogue Expansion is um a bit late. This expansion should've been in place way before COV came out. Why would I want to take a hero & make him into a villain when I already have villains or vice versa?
Is Bizarro leading your team of misfits or something??
Thanks
Gib
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GLHF in with PVE or your next game.
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So which conversation DID happen
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Castle: Hey BaB, check this thread out. Some people seem to be really upset about the PvP changes. What do you think I should say? I'm going to grab a Mountain Dew, be right back.
BaB: Gimme a sec, I'll check the thread out.
Castle: You know on second thought BaB maybe you shouldn't read that one. The last time I showed you a thread that ... BaB? BaB?
Positron: Dammit Castle you broke BaB again! Now we're going to have to delay power customization to I16!
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DAMNIT PVPERS! LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE NOW!
Raaaage!
*rolls around foaming*
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Everyone knows the PVP sucks, they just dont waste their time playing in the Zones for badges.
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If PVP didn't ALWAYS suck in this game, then any changes they make might be of a concern. But frankly since PVP sucked harder than an electrolux showroom since it was implemented it doesn't matter. I hope these changes are just the precursor to more changes to actually bring the PVP in line with what other PVP games do... like be fun and stuff. But I'm not holding my breath.
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This is over the top mental slavery.
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So it's better to replace something broken with something stupid and broken?
Pre-13 PvP was far from perfect, but PvP 2.0 is two steps backward and sideways.
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Now hold on. I could have almost have agreed with your prev post - 4 sec sup on buffs may be much - BUT thats under the assumption that the rest, including DR, is a general improvement.
So I would say they replaced something broken with something thats better, but still broken.
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I'd say they replaced something broken with good ideas that have broken implementations and its clearly a work-in-progress.
I'm not giving up hope just yet.
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This is what I think when I feel optimistic. However, I don't think they actually know how to design for PVP, and think even if they do fix all the problems and make the awesomest PVP game ever that the lousy reputation for PVP this game has will prevent it from taking off in any big way.
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Castle at home reading the forum
Castle: Wow light house quit, yet another thread about how we should bring i12 back somehow, let me call babs.
Babs: Sup castle?
Castle: It's been months since i13 closed beta and ppl are still hating this new pvp and we actually lost ppl instead of attracting them.
Babs: I told you this would happen, just give them back their pvp man, you know I'll hook you up on the animations it's nothing.
Castle: Your right, but giving in is like admitting a mistake was made and heaven forbid i do that i'll just continue to pretend all these threads don't exist and just tell everyone it's a success and i think we'll pull through this :P
Babs: That's just wrong I'm getting off the phone with you man I'm a throw up listening to this.
Castle: Thats cool later Babs I'm a ignore these threads anyway, but i feel the need to respond to this thread i see about jello :P
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That conversation never happened.
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Still, I laughed. 
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Castle at home reading the forum
Castle: Wow light house quit, yet another thread about how we should bring i12 back somehow, let me call babs.
Babs: Sup castle?
Castle: It's been months since i13 closed beta and ppl are still hating this new pvp and we actually lost ppl instead of attracting them.
Babs: I told you this would happen, just give them back their pvp man, you know I'll hook you up on the animations it's nothing.
Castle: Your right, but giving in is like admitting a mistake was made and heaven forbid i do that i'll just continue to pretend all these threads don't exist and just tell everyone it's a success and i think we'll pull through this :P
Babs: That's just wrong I'm getting off the phone with you man I'm a throw up listening to this.
Castle: Thats cool later Babs I'm a ignore these threads anyway, but i feel the need to respond to this thread i see about jello :P
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That conversation never happened.
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Still, I laughed.
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BTW...Rogue Expansion is um a bit late. This expansion should've been in place way before COV came out. Why would I want to take a hero & make him into a villain when I already have villains or vice versa?
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While most people only think CoH/CoV is a game designed so people could make whiny posts about PvP, there is a little known aspect to the game called "content." This is little used by most people as it requires the player to be able to read and be entertained by another little known aspect of MMOs called "story."
See, back in the day these were called MMORPGs and the last 3 letters meant the first 3 letters would have more to do that treat the game like an elaborate chat system.
But look on the bright side, now you can pimp your Corruptor, make him a hero, and make even more threads about how much Hero Corruptors suck in PvP! Win win!
... What?
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QFT
PvP is content. PvP is most peoples final Content. Story Content can only be played the same time more then enough times.
But hey if your fine whipping up on computer controled npc's with no challenge, then so be it. thats your way to play. But dont dog on OUR content, as we didnt dog on yours.
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BTW...Rogue Expansion is um a bit late. This expansion should've been in place way before COV came out. Why would I want to take a hero & make him into a villain when I already have villains or vice versa?
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While most people only think CoH/CoV is a game designed so people could make whiny posts about PvP, there is a little known aspect to the game called "content." This is little used by most people as it requires the player to be able to read and be entertained by another little known aspect of MMOs called "story."
See, back in the day these were called MMORPGs and the last 3 letters meant the first 3 letters would have more to do that treat the game like an elaborate chat system.
But look on the bright side, now you can pimp your Corruptor, make him a hero, and make even more threads about how much Hero Corruptors suck in PvP! Win win!
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I started playing the game when it came out...I actually leveled toons the old fashion way by playing the content. After a few 50's I grew a bit tired of doing the same thing over & over so I turned to PvP.
I don't get any challenges in killing NPCs anymore, I did in the beginning when roles of ATs were more defined. Before Epics actually...that's when PVE PVE PVE was challenging. Team work was actually needed to PvE.
Thanks.
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you have to say GG gibson gosh..you are such a noob. lol
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Castle at home reading the forum
Castle: Wow light house quit, yet another thread about how we should bring i12 back somehow, let me call babs.
Babs: Sup castle?
Castle: It's been months since i13 closed beta and ppl are still hating this new pvp and we actually lost ppl instead of attracting them.
Babs: I told you this would happen, just give them back their pvp man, you know I'll hook you up on the animations it's nothing.
Castle: Your right, but giving in is like admitting a mistake was made and heaven forbid i do that i'll just continue to pretend all these threads don't exist and just tell everyone it's a success and i think we'll pull through this :P
Babs: That's just wrong I'm getting off the phone with you man I'm a throw up listening to this.
Castle: Thats cool later Babs I'm a ignore these threads anyway, but i feel the need to respond to this thread i see about jello :P
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That conversation never happened.
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. . . .cause it was all conversed through email 
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you have to say GG gibson gosh..you are such a noob. lol
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No....
+1 = OLD SCHOOL. Newb.
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So it's better to replace something broken with something stupid and broken?
Pre-13 PvP was far from perfect, but PvP 2.0 is two steps backward and sideways.
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Now hold on. I could have almost have agreed with your prev post - 4 sec sup on buffs may be much - BUT thats under the assumption that the rest, including DR, is a general improvement.
So I would say they replaced something broken with something thats better, but still broken.
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I'd say they replaced something broken with good ideas that have broken implementations and its clearly a work-in-progress.
I'm not giving up hope just yet.