I really need some comforting...

This is the second time my team and I have failed the STF in a row *sniffle sniffle* First it was because of GW. This time it was because of Recluse...WHEN WILL THE PAIN END!!! Was a good team but some members quit and d/c so...yeah...Well, still. What is a solid team for STF so i wont fail nexttime. right now i am 2/3 of a STF failer

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.... wait'll you meet Romulus and his Pet Nicti Recluse and his henchpeople are so many small, purring kittens compared to that Triad of Terror.

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At least the first few times, you might want to run it with experienced players until you get the hang of how the STF goes. It's more than possible to win through with a variety of builds, but more so than most of the rest of the content in the game you need a group of people that are good players and can work well as a team. There's not quite as much leeway for mistakes, flaking out, etc.

For an inexperienced team you'll probably want the old standbys of a Stone/* Tanker and an Empath or Sonic to stack mez protection until Soul Storm can be weathered.

Since you mentioned having trouble with Ghost Widow and Lord Recluse, make sure you keep your distance from GW so you don't fuel her heal and make sure you're careful of the Flier as you take down the towers for Lord Recluse. Good luck on your next run!

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At least the first few times, you might want to run it with experienced players until you get the hang of how the STF goes. It's more than possible to win through with a variety of builds, but more so than most of the rest of the content in the game you need a group of people that are good players and can work well as a team. There's not quite as much leeway for mistakes, flaking out, etc.

For an inexperienced team you'll probably want the old standbys of a Stone/* Tanker and an Empath or Sonic to stack mez protection until Soul Storm can be weathered.

Since you mentioned having trouble with Ghost Widow and Lord Recluse, make sure you keep your distance from GW so you don't fuel her heal and make sure you're careful of the Flier as you take down the towers for Lord Recluse. Good luck on your next run!

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I have all of the basics covered but the one variable you mentioned. The team just did not know how to work together. Well, better luck next time I guess.

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.... wait'll you meet Romulus and his Pet Nicti Recluse and his henchpeople are so many small, purring kittens compared to that Triad of Terror.

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Not really.

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.... wait'll you meet Romulus and his Pet Nicti Recluse and his henchpeople are so many small, purring kittens compared to that Triad of Terror.

[/ QUOTE ]? really? i havent run a stf yet, because im lazy, but i have yet to see rommy not fall to a standard ground and pound. i mean, yeah his resurrection stun can be annoying, but last time even that wasn't as bad(with my 39 ice tank) so maybe it can be tough, but i must really be lucky, because my experience differed. of course, when you have 2 brutes with stacked fortitude, recovery aura and adrenaline boost, as i did one one run, you can do insane things

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.... wait'll you meet Romulus and his Pet Nicti Recluse and his henchpeople are so many small, purring kittens compared to that Triad of Terror.

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Lol.

Such a ridiculous statement.

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Romulus can mess up a team that's off their guard, but once you work out what he's doing, all you need is patience and a few good builds. The STF on the other hand...

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Really? Dang, I've beaten Rommy more times than I'd like to count, and that with less than optimal teams, I've never failed taking him down.
The STF though, that's been failed every time I try that, and the last time was with an experienced Team Leader who told us what to do and when. We mowed through the Patrons and even took down the Flyer without incident. Recluse? Took all of us down in seconds, and no amount of coordination worked.

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I'd have to second that. I've been on many, many different types of team setups that took down Rom in just a few minutes... Whereas, I've only been able to take down Recluse with certain specific team builds using a very few select strategies to do it... Recluse is definitely hard (with the towers up).... However, IMO, I'd actually have to say I personally have more of a feeling of "horror" when facing up against GW than I do LR.... That's just me though.

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I've been on good teams that simply hit a brick wall with Ghost Widow or Mako or the inability to separate the Lieutenants or to deal with Recluse.

For Recluse, you either need a Tank who knows what their doing or who has very, very good healing support; or a sniper who knows the magic place to hover to keep Recluse preoccupied figuring out how to get at the sniper.

It doesn't hurt for everyone on the team to go to Bloody Bay and pick up a Shivan. That detour is less time than experiencing multiple team wipes.

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Really? Dang, I've beaten Rommy more times than I'd like to count, and that with less than optimal teams, I've never failed taking him down.
The STF though, that's been failed every time I try that, and the last time was with an experienced Team Leader who told us what to do and when. We mowed through the Patrons and even took down the Flyer without incident. Recluse? Took all of us down in seconds, and no amount of coordination worked.

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Yar, for an inexperienced group, a good Stone tanker is what you want against LR. Ideally you'd have an Empath dedicated to healing him, but a well-built tank (with a tray of purples) should be able to survive until the red and yellow towers are taken down. Oh, and make sure he's got his taunt slotted... LR has ADHD, and Granite sloooooows the taunt cycle.

As for Rommie, the only time we have trouble with him is when one of the shards starts throwing fluffies everywhere. Then you get ambushed by Romans, and it turns into a mess. That's why I bring my Mind/Kin controller on ITF's... Mass Confusion, Fulcrum Shift, tank and spank.

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But Romulus has nothing on Bonefire, man. I mean--

... wait, it's not opposite day?

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.... wait'll you meet Romulus and his Pet Nicti Recluse and his henchpeople are so many small, purring kittens compared to that Triad of Terror.

[/ QUOTE ]? really? i havent run a stf yet, because im lazy, but i have yet to see rommy not fall to a standard ground and pound. i mean, yeah his resurrection stun can be annoying, but last time even that wasn't as bad(with my 39 ice tank) so maybe it can be tough, but i must really be lucky, because my experience differed. of course, when you have 2 brutes with stacked fortitude, recovery aura and adrenaline boost, as i did one one run, you can do insane things

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I agree. Even with a horrible team we had, we managed to take down Rommie. There were a couple team wipes, but we stuck with it and did it and it was a blast when we did.

Ghost Widow though was brutal the last time I tried it. We kept trying different tactics, but just couldn't do it. We reached a poitn where we weren't dying anymore, but she would manage to do her heals. After a half an hour of pounding, she was still at full health. We just had to hang it up at that point.

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The TA team takes down rommie like he's nothing at all. The ambushes in the cave and the robots give us more trouble most times.

We literally just stand there debuffing and attacking him and he barely does anything.

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And this is why I'll never do a STF, a LRSF, or Hamidon raid, as you seem to be expected to have a shivan and a nuke or two for those. I haven't been in a PvP zone since Issue 6 went live, and I'm not about to go in one now.

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Romulus is not really the problem.

The *problem* is his pet Nicti, who [depending on what mood they're in that day] can take it into their stupid little AI heads to defy known tactics, and do it well.

And yes, before anyone starts, I have been on countless successful ITF teams.

So yeah, if Ares thinks Recluse is a problem, he's going to love the ITF. Actually I prefer the STF because to me, that is one of the easiest TFs I have ever done, right after Katie Hannon.

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Recluse is hard for several reasons.

1) Flier. That's a time limit in effect, because you need to drop him before it takes off again or you've got lasers and swarms of Arachnos all over your backline. You can get around this by pulling Recluse up against the main tower, the Flier may have a chance to just pass idly by in this case.

2) The buff towers. Red and blue give him crazy damage and massive to-hit and recharge bonuses. Orange and green just give him turbo defense and healing, which is at least survivable. A tank needs to survive long enough for red and blue to go down in whatever order. Defense tanks may be better with blue first, resistance with red first, but they'll both have to drop.

3) His innates. In addition to the absolute swarm of Bane Spiders that come out of his cloak at critical health -- you know that thing where when a pet/player dies a boss taunts its death? Recluse also summons Executioners. (I've seen it happen when we tried to offtank him with Phantom Army and suchlike - either it's an effect that happens on death or a power that cycles when his new target is at range. Either way.)

So what you need is a tank capable of surviving until red and blue go down with minimal disposable pets for target dummies, because each of them is a handful of Executioners waiting to happen, and a team willing to huddle up against the tower so the Flier doesn't run in, and with enough burst damage ready to down LR before the army of Banes overwhelms them.

It's a bit of a tall order.

GW at least is kitable, so with seven competent damage dealers, some speed buffs/debuffs, and a tank willing to run in circles you can survive her.

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I'd take a ITF and a STF over a LRSF anyday for a PuG.

Least your average PuG group can still do a ITF and a STF as long as the leader knows what they're doing.

The LRSF can fail quite quickly and easily without a good solid team.

Rom can be an initial pain but his pet Nicti aren't that hard, as long as you have enough DPS and some debuff you just ignore the Nicti and go straight for Rom.

Rinse and repeat.

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And this is why I'll never do a STF, a LRSF, or Hamidon raid, as you seem to be expected to have a shivan and a nuke or two for those. I haven't been in a PvP zone since Issue 6 went live, and I'm not about to go in one now.

[/ QUOTE ]nukes and shivans.... are nowhere near the norm for Hami raids.

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