If I were Recluse I'd wonder how I ended up in the only dimension with a "good" Statesman 
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But it's to LR's benefit to be here. At least with a good Statesman who upholds the law and has to follow "the rules" LR has already carved out a reasonable powerbase and can continue working on plans.
When you have to spend all of your time fighting off opponents who are just as powerful and ruthless (if not more so) as yourself, you don't really have time for empire building.
Cooperation is rare in that kind of environment.
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If I were Recluse I'd wonder how I ended up in the only dimension with a "good" Statesman
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Our Statesman's just better at the mastermind business...
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But , you know AP, that does suggest some interesting story content. Recluse, seeing that he's about to have the first major increase in competition in something like 50 years (not counting rikti) starts authorizing raiding teams not only into Praetoria but in an attempt to keep the reemergent 5th Column in check.
Meanwhile, Statesman starts recruiting teams to counter these new moves by LR and 5th.
On the other side, Tyrant just gathers his armies, sends out assassins and prepares to rule two universes.
Just a few thoughts.
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At least ours can use Lightning >_>
Praetorian Richter is dead, as far as we know.
But, what about Axis America's version of Richter?
Did he survive? Did he share Richter prime's political alignment?
On a similar note; what about the Center?
Did they share the Nazis victory? What is the role of nicti in the Axis America's world? They were using the Center and the 5th as a front to manipulate. If these factions were on the winning side, did they share the victory? Were they the victim of a purge at some point?
And then what? Are they eradicated? Gone into hiding? Forced to ally themselves with their former enemies in the resistance?
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Well with the fast approaching I15 and the return of Reichsman and then Tyrant with the new expansion, there seem to be a plethory of Statesman clones. If I were Lord Recluse, it would be time to ring the alarm bells because three Statesmen are two Statesmen too many.
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Hey, the more Statesmen, the more Statesmen I got to punch in the face!
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If I were Recluse I'd wonder how I ended up in the only dimension with a "good" Statesman
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But it's to LR's benefit to be here. At least with a good Statesman who upholds the law and has to follow "the rules" LR has already carved out a reasonable powerbase and can continue working on plans.
When you have to spend all of your time fighting off opponents who are just as powerful and ruthless (if not more so) as yourself, you don't really have time for empire building.
Cooperation is rare in that kind of environment.
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A very good point. Tyrant and Reichsman not being constrained by morality, I'd bet that the Recluses of those worlds were beaten to death with their own detached limbs fairly early in their super-villain careers.
I would still assume that Recluse was a hero in Praetoria... but thats just me.
If I were Lord Recluse, I'd be wondering what happened to all those Lord Recluses from those alternate realities. Could be some valuable lessons there.
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Well with the fast approaching I15 and the return of Reichsman and then Tyrant with the new expansion, there seem to be a plethory of Statesman clones. If I were Lord Recluse, it would be time to ring the alarm bells because three Statesmen are two Statesmen too many.
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+1 for the EU!!!
We dont need more statesman though it is finally nice to actually see him more active than just "hidden or gone away". For such a big character he is not in the game nowhere near enough!
Now if somebody was to get the DNA of both states and recluse and combine the two . . . . . that would be worth fighting!
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If I were Recluse I'd wonder how I ended up in the only dimension with a "good" Statesman
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But it's to LR's benefit to be here. At least with a good Statesman who upholds the law and has to follow "the rules" LR has already carved out a reasonable powerbase and can continue working on plans.
When you have to spend all of your time fighting off opponents who are just as powerful and ruthless (if not more so) as yourself, you don't really have time for empire building.
Cooperation is rare in that kind of environment.
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A very good point. Tyrant and Reichsman not being constrained by morality, I'd bet that the Recluses of those worlds were beaten to death with their own detached limbs fairly early in their super-villain careers.
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If I were Recluse I'd wonder how I ended up in the only dimension with a "good" Statesman
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But it's to LR's benefit to be here. At least with a good Statesman who upholds the law and has to follow "the rules" LR has already carved out a reasonable powerbase and can continue working on plans.
When you have to spend all of your time fighting off opponents who are just as powerful and ruthless (if not more so) as yourself, you don't really have time for empire building.
Cooperation is rare in that kind of environment.
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A very good point. Tyrant and Reichsman not being constrained by morality, I'd bet that the Recluses of those worlds were beaten to death with their own detached limbs fairly early in their super-villain careers.
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The running theory is that Stefan never left the Well of the Furies in Praetoria.
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Frankly we have no reason to believe he was ever AT the well of the Furies in Praetoria.
It could well have been someone else. Or no one else.
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Praetorean Recluse's spider arms got stuck on a missile fin. and Axis America Recluse's arms got sucked into a jet engine. There actualy was a Rikti recluse but he had an unfortunate accident involving an express elevator.
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Praetorian!Recluse and Axis Amerika!Recluse are likely dead
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Well, we have good Statesmen and bad Statesmen, but... Is it just me or is Lord Nemesis evil in absolutely every dimension? 
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Well, we have good Statesmen and bad Statesmen, but... Is it just me or is Lord Nemesis evil in absolutely every dimension?
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My theory about that is that one of the Nemesi has actually offed as many other iterations of himself as possible - so the Nemesis we know is the only Nemesis that exists for most worlds. (And when you have an army of robotic duplicates, it'd be easy to make other people think there are still multiples of you)
Of course that's just my pet theory.
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If I were Lord Recluse, I'd be wondering what happened to all those Lord Recluses from those alternate realities. Could be some valuable lessons there.
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Limb beaty death. Pay attention. :-p Lol.
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Limb beaty death. Pay attention. :-p Lol.
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Which is kinda meh in my book. I'd like to see Captain Spider as the ruler of the Freedom Isles, the last bastion of good under Tyrant's reign of evil.
I mean, there's so much potential if they added in White Scorpion, Spirit Widow, Admiral Dolphin and Praetorian Scirocco.
The Freedom Isles could even look the same as the Rogue Isles, considering it'd be difficult to keep the place clean while fighting to keep it safe.
It still makes me wonder if Praetoria is the name of the world or the city, I kinda liked the comic's name of Shade City for Praetorian Paragon.
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Think about it this way
Praetorian!Recluse and Axis Amerika!Recluse are likely dead
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I doubt Praetorian Recluse is dead. Tyrant may be an evil jackass by our standards, but he still thinks he's a good guy in his own head (at least by what we can tell from the GoRo trailer). He may have done a number of evil things, but I'm pretty sure that it's more a corruption that occurred later, as he realized the power that he could wield by taking over the world rather than a sudden dawning realization at the point of acquisition.
Praetoria isn't simply an evil version of the prime universe. It's a variant wherein, rather than supporting the existing government, those with powers took over and solidified their control. It's more in line with the old adage of "absolute power corrupts absolutely" than it is just as a simple "good:evil" translation. The only group that really supports the good:evil translation is the Carnival of Light, which we don't really know all that much about.
As to the existence of an Axis Amerika Recluse, I think it would be very interesting to contemplate. I doubt that victorious Nazis would completely eliminate one half of the most powerful duo in the world. If anything, I'd expect them to have Recluse on ice, prepared to take down Riechsmann if he ever tries to take over.
The biggest thing to keep in mind is that Axis America and Praetorian Earth existed before the emergence of Lord Recluse and Arachnos in the real world. All of the Rogue Isles and Arachnos content and back story was tacked on to everything that existed in CoH at the moment it was designed. In order to include all of the potential awesomeness that could be derived from having Lord Recluse variants in those worlds (which would have done wonders for mixing the hero and villain content together) would have to be retconned in. Personally, I think they'll use the "you just didn't see them because you haven't seen all that much of them" reasoning rather than the "they're so awesome and evil they killed their only competitors" reasoning. But that's mostly hopeful on my part. The easier way would be to just say that the only Recluse is the one native to our world because Evil Statesman is much more competent and evil than Evil Recluse could ever be.
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D'youknow, sometimes I wonder if Nemesis doesn't genuinely think the world would be even better off under his rule - and that surely that warrants a few sacrifices to achieve. Of other people, natch.
Sometimes, though, he's just goofy.
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i think its more along the lines of the Good Nemesi were captured and brain washed by their Evil Nemesi counterparts in other dimensions to become *drumroll* more evil Nemesi. or their Nemesis francise was flat out taken over by the evil ones. Lord Nemesis portal jumps too y'know.
Well with the fast approaching I15 and the return of Reichsman and then Tyrant with the new expansion, there seem to be a plethory of Statesman clones. If I were Lord Recluse, it would be time to ring the alarm bells because three Statesmen are two Statesmen too many.
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