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Anyway, I believe you can begin buying DOs at 14
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You can buy level 15 DOs and slot them at level 13.
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Nope, you can at level 12.
One point not mentioned so far as the Consignment House goes is that having the right recipe, salvage, SO, DO or IO or purple is not what is key to making lots of Influence.
Patience is the key. Shove something on the market for a price perhaps slightly higher than the other listed recent sales, then ... wait.
Minutes?
Hours?
Days?
Weeks?
Generally waiting days will garner a sale and return a satisfactory profit.
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I find common IOs cheaper than DOs, if you bid a bit in advance and buy pre-made instead of crafting them yourself. I rarely spend more than 3-4k per level 15 IO (comparable to DO in performance and don't run out).
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dont make IO's. they cost MORE than an SO (30k to buy the recipe, then 30k to make it PLUS the cost of salvage if yo udont have any. that's level TWENTY io's fyi). and io's dont start to give the same benefit of a same level DO until 17, and a same level SO until 27
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Pardon? Where are you getting your data? Go to the ParagonWiki page on enhancements and look at the table of relative enhancement values. A level-15 common IO gives a better bonus than a +3 DO, and it never decreases. Slot level-15 common IOs at 12, and each one will be a +3 DO until you replace it. If you slot level 15 DOs at 12, their bonus trickles away as you level until you have to replace them all by the time you reach 19. Level 20 common IOs are better than -3 SOs, and level-25 common IOs are only 1% worse than even-level SOs.
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Second, what are you running? If you're cashing in Architect Entertainment tickets for DOs or SOs...well, it actually works out pretty good that way. DOs and SOs are quite cheap if you use tickets for 'em.
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I have 6 AE tickets, but I'm mainly soloing story arcs on this guy.
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With 8 tickets, take a random common arcane salvage from the ticket vendor in the 21-40 range. Sell it on the market. Most of them go for quite a bit.
I've made millions in the past couple weeks selling my common salvage in the markets.
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Yeah..it's not easy for me though. To be both frank and honest I'm getting a little tired of everyone on the forums being like "it's so easy, I can make x amount by lvl whatever". Well I must be an idiot because I just can't do it. I've tried, I've read different guides, but what I read just doesn't seem to translate to the actual market. I'm either reading outdated stuff, or I'm just really really REALLY unlucky with prices......
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If all you're trying to do is buy DO's and SO's, then it really is that easy, so if it's giving you trouble then something must be wrong. It could be astonishingly bad luck with drops and prices and timing. It's also possible (and I really don't mean to cause offense here) that there is something missing from your understanding of the market or something wrong with the techniques you have tried.
I'm not sure if the Wentworth's 101 guide I wrote is one of the ones you read. It was a while ago, but I still stand by it. It's in the list of guides stickied to the top of the market forum.
Let's try a simple experiment. You saw the post from Memphis Bill above? Try that. Tell us how it goes. If it doesn't work, tell us what went wrong. Maybe we can diagnose the problem. Head to WW. Find SO's. Pick one origin. I like Mutant, because the mutant store in Steel Canyon is so close to the WW. Higher levels are worth more, but that may not be worth fussing about. Just make sure you are getting SO's and not DO's, because the price difference is so big. Set the filter so you only see items for sale. Go through and put in bids for 1500 inf on everything until your market slots are full. Cancel any of those that didn't fill and put in more. Keep going until you have bid on every Mutation SO currently listed for sale. When you're done, if you don't have 10 of them bought yet, leave up as many bids as you can and log off. When you log back on, some of them will probably have filled. Sell 'em all. Profit.
If that doesn't work for you, I'd be curious to know what went wrong.
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Yeah..it's not easy for me though. To be both frank and honest I'm getting a little tired of everyone on the forums being like "it's so easy, I can make x amount by lvl whatever". Well I must be an idiot because I just can't do it. I've tried, I've read different guides, but what I read just doesn't seem to translate to the actual market. I'm either reading outdated stuff, or I'm just really really REALLY unlucky with prices......
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Please note that the advice people are giving requires patience. Patience is the #1 requirement for making money at the market.
For example, when selling things, I will place a lot of stuff at 5 inf to sell right away, but I check prices and anything that routinely sells for, say, 50,000 influence or more, I will place at a price a bit below that... say, 41,000 influence. That way I guarantee that I get good prices on the stuff that usually sells for good prices. When doing this, it's also important to not ask for too high a price... you still want your stuff to sell relatively quickly. Just because a lot of people are buying the item at 50,000 inf does not mean a bid of 50,000 inf will move quickly. There might be dozens or hundreds of people listing their item for that price. On the other hand, your listing of 41,000 influence might well sell for 50,000 influence anyway. It may take hours or a day, but you will get your price.
When buying things, place your bids and come back the next day. If you buy it immediately, you're probably paying too much.
I would very much recommend some of the tactics listed here. Pretty much ANYTHING that sells regularly on the market, you can buy low (with a wait time of a day or so) and then sell high. Buying uncommon recipes at low prices and vendoring them is a favorite tactic of mine when starting out -- at level 50 I think an uncommon set recipe sells for 5,000 influence to the store, if I remember right. You can often buy them for much less than that.
But the important part of the equation is patience. Impatient people sell low and buy high. Patient people make money from impatient people. 
Even barring that, you can put in low bids for the crafted IOs you want and probably pick them up within a few days. A lot of people that craft to get the Field Crafter badge dump their IOs (especially the lower level ones) on the market for whatever they'll sell for. Rularuu knows I've done that a few times. (field crafter on 4 charactes so far!)
Finally, to answer your original question, I usually don't bother slotting much of anything before level 17 if I can get away with it. Those levels fly by pretty quickly anyway.
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Before the days of the auction house, I wouldn't slot anything unless it dropped before lvl 22. I don't think they make enough of a difference to merit the money spent on them. I waited until I slotted SOs and then went to town. Back in those days even, if I was broke enought, I would use a respec to sell back all my expired SOs at FULL value and start from scratch.
After WW, it became much easier to make money. As many have pointed out, sell the enhancements you don't use at their proper store, dump all your drops on the market and buy low and sell high (I used to buy the lame level 50 set recipes that no one uses or wants for 1k and sell them at the store for 10k). Oh, and make sure you go through the tutorial at the University for your one freebie IO.
Hope that helps.
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Let's try a simple experiment. You saw the post from Memphis Bill above? Try that. Tell us how it goes. If it doesn't work, tell us what went wrong. Maybe we can diagnose the problem. Head to WW. Find SO's. Pick one origin. I like Mutant, because the mutant store in Steel Canyon is so close to the WW. Higher levels are worth more, but that may not be worth fussing about. Just make sure you are getting SO's and not DO's, because the price difference is so big. Set the filter so you only see items for sale. Go through and put in bids for 1500 inf on everything until your market slots are full. Cancel any of those that didn't fill and put in more. Keep going until you have bid on every Mutation SO currently listed for sale. When you're done, if you don't have 10 of them bought yet, leave up as many bids as you can and log off. When you log back on, some of them will probably have filled. Sell 'em all. Profit.
If that doesn't work for you, I'd be curious to know what went wrong.
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And to make it easier -
All SOs have one of two key words in them per origin. Use that in your "search for" line.
For instance, Science uses "Bombardment" and "Exposure." Mutation is "Awakening" and... ok, I forget the other off the top of my head. Magic is "Grey" and "Joule." Having one of those (and then replacing it with the other) means you will not see a DO in there, period.
Sorry again for sounding upset. I think my fatal flaw is patience. I am not a patient man, and I'm very impulsive.
I did try Memphis Bills' SO origin trick, but I guess I was disheartened when I went to the market because I went through quite a few enhancements but it seemed there were either none selling or the listed price was like 20-50k or more. I also went to look at the IOs and again the going price was usually 50-100k. Perhaps you can get them for stupid cheap if you're patient though..
About the only thing I've been able to reliably do on the market is find cheap selling uncommon (yellow) salvage that sells for around 200-500 and buy the crap outta that stuff, and then turn around and sell it back to vendors for 1000 each. It's really not alot though. I filled my slots up last night bidding on stacks of 10 each, but it looks like I'll only turn a profit of about 70-75k this way, which isn't necessarily bad I guess but it doesn't seem good enough.
Anyway, thanks for continuing to offer advice. I think any other MMO forum would have told me to piss off by now xD
Do this:
Play some MA arcs (may I suggest mine? It's in my sig 
), get a bunch of tickets.
See what rare salvage is selling for about 1 mil. Trade in tickets for rare salvage. Sell rare salvage.
Bam, money!
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I did try Memphis Bills' SO origin trick, but I guess I was disheartened when I went to the market because I went through quite a few enhancements but it seemed there were either none selling or the listed price was like 20-50k or more. I also went to look at the IOs and again the going price was usually 50-100k. Perhaps you can get them for stupid cheap if you're patient though..
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*Don't worry about the last prices listed.* That's not the "listing price."
If I put up an SO for 100 inf, and someone buys it for 20k, it's going to show 20k.
Generally, Damage and Accuracy are the hardest to get deals on - but try anyway, they sell for the most, too.
Set up your search like this:
Search term: Dragon
Filter: Natural
For Sale Only
Level 1-53
When you're done with all the "Dragon," change "Dragon" to "Back."
Again... don't worry about the prices *shown* - that's just how much the last few people have paid. Just bid 1500. Fill up. Run to the correct store (Natural, for these.) Run back, pick up any that have been bought in the meantime, cancel your outstanding bids, and pick up from where you left off.
Edit: Also, you can kind of get a feel for if you've got a chance or not for any individual SO - if there are 0 bidding and 3 for sale, you've got a better chance than, say, 8 bidding and 1 for sale.
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What do I do if I've filled up all my market slots with orders on SOs and none of them filled? I guess I just wait huh.. xD
Just asking because by the sounds of your posts Memphis you make it seem like I'm suppose to buy some out instantly :P
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You can buy level 15 DOs and slot them at level 13.
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Actually, you can buy and slot DO's at lvl 12.
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The Poor Person's Guide to slotting:
*NEver buy training origins. Leave those slots empty until level 12; meanwhile vendor everything you get except basic IO recipies - sell those to your origin vendor. Sell your other recipes to him too, unless they're going for a lot on the market.
Which, if you're like me, they won't be. 
*At level 12, buy level 15 Dual Origins. These will about double your effectiveness, so they are worth doing IMO.
At level 17, you can buy level 20 DOs if so inclined. This sounds expensive, but wait....
*At level 22, you are going to do a respec and sell ALL of your enhancements [with the exception of anything you crafted] BACK to the house, and you will take this money and use it to help fund your first set of SOs. Vet respecs are excellent for this.
OR you can get on a MA team, earn many tickets and buy your enhancements with those. This is an excellent way to keep your money where you need it. Mind you, this is not without risk since the Banhammer can come down on you at any time, hypothetically, if you are judged to be [*gasp!* the horror....] "farming." But if you don't mind skirting the edge of danger a bit, tickets can save you considerable cash.
They are indeed requisites, not "enhancements."
Mo opinion. DO's are cheap cheap cheap with tickets and make a nice hole fill when you don't have all the ios you need before level 22.
But that's just me.
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What do I do if I've filled up all my market slots with orders on SOs and none of them filled? I guess I just wait huh.. xD
Just asking because by the sounds of your posts Memphis you make it seem like I'm suppose to buy some out instantly :P
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Even though you PM'd me with final success, replying for the sake of anyone else...
If it doesn't fill within a minute, cancel and move on to the next group/level. You're scooping up the cheap ones. The only time you leave them sit is when you leave to sell the ones you get. And if one is bought, and there are more in that level (say, 33 Confuse) - see if you can get the others.
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What do I do if I've filled up all my market slots with orders on SOs and none of them filled? I guess I just wait huh.. xD
Just asking because by the sounds of your posts Memphis you make it seem like I'm suppose to buy some out instantly :P
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Even though you PM'd me with final success, replying for the sake of anyone else...
If it doesn't fill within a minute, cancel and move on to the next group/level. You're scooping up the cheap ones. The only time you leave them sit is when you leave to sell the ones you get. And if one is bought, and there are more in that level (say, 33 Confuse) - see if you can get the others.
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Yeah I figured it out. In the span of about 30 minutes I've managed to go from about 300k inf to over 1 mil using this method. I would have had more but I got confused when I first started and thought I was buying natural SOs when in fact I was buying magic, so I lost a bit of money vendoring them at the natural store xD
But yeah that is an awesome method Memphis. Thanks again for sharing it with me
Another thing to consider is that there is no penalty for BIDDING. So what I usually do is bid like 11 inf for something ---- even if it has a history of selling for 100,000 inf or more. I wait to see the "# of bids" increase by one (my new bid) and if I don't instantly get the thing, I cancel my bid ---- at NO COST --- and then increase the bid.
If it's an item with a high bidding history, I'll usually go up to 111 inf and then 1,111 inf until I get it or until I start getting too high for my tastes. By all means, don't keep increasing your bid JUST to get the item.
With this in mind, you can often get recipes, salvage or crafted enhancements for peanuts. I've been on the other end of this transaction, too ---- when I was working on the Field Crafter badge, I would routinely dump several IOs on the market asking only 5 inf... and a few times someone has bought the item for like 10 inf... so I lost some money, there, but I figure any money I get from that sale is better than destroying the IO, which was my other option ----- no room to store it, no vendor will buy a crafted IO.
Anyway, when you SELL something on the market, you have to pay a broker fee EVERY time you offer it. So you can't offer something for 2 million then pull it off the market and offer it for 1 million and then pull it off the market and offer it or 500,000 ---- trying to get the MOST you can. You have to pay the broker fee EACH time you put it up for sale. So don't do that.
But for BUYING stuff, by all means, if you have the time you can "inch" your offer up bit by bit until you get it, often for next to nothing.
And to answer the general OP question, I used to slot full DOs at level 12 then at level 22 I'd slot for SOs and then again at 27 I'd get level 30 SOs and so on... was expensive to say the least. But there was nothing ELSE I could buy.
Since they put in IOs (and really a bit before that) I usually DON'T slot Dual-Origin ~or~ Single Origin until level 22 ---- at which point, now, I craft or buy level 25 IOs. As I get new powers, I continue to slot level 25 IOs until level 32 when I can start slotting level 35 IOs. And even then I usually only put those level 35 IOs into "new" slots; I rarely replace an old level 25 IO with a level 35. The increase is usually not worth the cost.
Recipes at the even-numbered levels (20, 30, 40, 50) tend to cost considerably more than the ones at the odd-numbered levels (25, 35, 45)... for whatever that's worth.
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Yeah I figured it out. In the span of about 30 minutes I've managed to go from about 300k inf to over 1 mil using this method. I would have had more but I got confused when I first started and thought I was buying natural SOs when in fact I was buying magic, so I lost a bit of money vendoring them at the natural store xD
But yeah that is an awesome method Memphis. Thanks again for sharing it with me
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Woohoo! Another instant millionaire!
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...if I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford SOs at 22? My guy is currently lvl 13 (almost 14) and sitting on about 300k inf. I have no higher lvl toons, I use to, I actually use to have a 50 and a couple others at 30+, but I quit and came back and I didn't have them anymore so I guess I deleted them or something.
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buy common IO's on the market for cheap, DOs and SO's are for suckers.
you can fully kit out with level 20 IOs for much less than 300k, and they never need replacing unless you WANT to.
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Woohoo! Another instant millionaire!
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Because of the Field Crafter badge, a lot of low level IOs are dumped on the market and can be found rather cheaply. Don't give up on buying an already crafted one.
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