Probably just an ignorant player. Some players judge anything and everything by how it performs in PvP and, at least in the pre-I13 PvP, Kheldians were less than ideal in most instances. This, combined with their relative complexity and not being the instant-win God Mode that some players felt entitled to upon hitting 50, makes some people write them off.
It's their loss. Among most players who have even a passing knowledge of the game I've not really noticed a bad rap for Kheldians of either stripe, and a growing segment of the player population seems to recognize what each can do.
Also, what do you mean by "1 form build"? Are you going for a Human Only build?
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Not that this has anything to do with the actual topic, but the term you're looking for is "bad rap". As in "rap sheet".
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As the owner of a 50 Warshade I've seen lots of little comments like that in-game. I've found that the grief that most khelds receive is due to one of three things:
1. The perceived myth that khelds are just generally weaker than other classes (I might make an exception for low-level warshades on this one, but even then nova form can be very useful with damage and slows)
2. The fact that khelds have a chance to spawn Quantums/Crystals. I've been rejected from many taskforces and farms because the people were afraid I'd spawn a crystal and we'd all wipe. Heaven forbid something in this game gives a challenge...
3. Like Justaris said above - some people are aware that khelds are pretty gimped in pvp and base their pve potential on that alone.
Of the three I find that number 2 is the reason I get more than any others. It seems common for people to see a kheldian as more of a hindrance than a help sometimes.
Probably a farmer and Khelds aren't normally the AT of choice. Warshades can usually get in due to the pets, but PBs are the wildcard. Lot of high level PBs without Nova form and human-formers aren't the most desirable in that situaion.
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2. The fact that khelds have a chance to spawn Quantums/Crystals. I've been rejected from many taskforces and farms because the people were afraid I'd spawn a crystal and we'd all wipe. Heaven forbid something in this game gives a challenge...
Of the three I find that number 2 is the reason I get more than any others. It seems common for people to see a kheldian as more of a hindrance than a help sometimes.
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This QFT.
I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of times I've been kicked from teams, people quit my teams, and made snide comments about "omg, now we're going to have a cyst in the mish," just because of my AT.
I just laugh at it now.
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3. Like Justaris said above - some people are aware that khelds are pretty gimped in pvp and base their pve potential on that alone.
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Khelds are not that gimped in PvP, especially not PB's...
As others have said, khelds were introduced into the game very gimp - they had -resistance on them naturally, and Q's/V's were very much stronger. Things have changed so much for the better since then.
And anyone who excludes or writes off a purpled toon of any sort should probably re-think what they're doing...
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Also, what do you mean by "1 form build"? Are you going for a Human Only build?
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Yes, I decided a 3 form build wouldn't allow me to six slot a lot of things, being so diverse. So i decided to just make a squid/dwarf build, all the powers of the dwarf/squid are six slotted (excluding the dwarf teleport, only 3 slots), i also have the heal and rez six-slotted. So since I've got the two forms are tricked out, I decided to make a dual build, and on the alternate build I don't want to pick the squid or the dwarf, since I've got one build that's built totally around those two forms. So I want to make a human form only, this may sound risky, but I can always respec 
In that case, I'll give you the same link I gave one of the other Human Only build threads listed here on the front page of the Kheldian forums, here. That should get you started.
I encourage you to post both your builds using Mids so we can give you more specific feedback. I can tell you this much now: don't six-slot the rez.
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Not that this has anything to do with the actual topic, but the term you're looking for is "bad rap". As in "rap sheet".
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Heh. When I saw the thread title my first thought was "Bad Kheldian Wrap=Kheldian Sarong?"
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Heh. When I saw the thread title my first thought was "Bad Kheldian Wrap=Kheldian Sarong?"
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ROFL 
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Theta Zim - lvl 50 Tri-form Warshade, Nightshade Zim - lvl 50 Dark/Dark/Psi Defender
Omicron Zim - lvl 50 Emp/Psi/Power Defender, Scrappy Joe - lvl 50 MA/SR Scrapper
I ate a bad Kheldian Wrap once, had indigestion for a weak!
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Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
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My PB (lvl 50) is just a strict blaster/tank build and he's nearly all the way purpled out. Also I'm going to make him a dual build, what's a good build for just a 1 form build.
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Would you want to team with me if I had a PB that was purpled out like that? I [censored] would! You sound like you know what you are doing.
There is no bad rap... except for the occasional knockback, but even the KB from a PB isn't like Tornado/whirlwind and it is a great addition to teams. I *love* to invite Kheldians to teams. This was a bad player you ran into. Sort of like Vaque on Pinnacle server. He's known for using incredibly foul language and saying mean things to other players on Pinnacle. I hope you never team with him. I have him /gignored and still hear people complain about him in broadcast.
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Over last weekend I was starting an ae team, and the first person I invited said, "There's no one here, and ur a PB." and then he quit. I may be reading to much into this, but why do PB's (or even WS's) get a bad wrap. Do PB's have a bad reputation for something, or was it just someone who didn't know what they were saying?
My PB (lvl 50) is just a strict blaster/tank build and he's nearly all the way purpled out. Also I'm going to make him a dual build, what's a good build for just a 1 form build.
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Just an idiot. Move on. He doesn't deserve your xp anyway.
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Its always so silly to me to hear the hate some people have for certain AT's and the very likely hood that Epic AT's are gimp is hilarious.
But let assume that you worked your Epic AT open with a character that you built from the ground up, with no PL'ing whatsoever. Then lets feed into the notion that Epic AT's are gimp or whatever, and without the help of PL'ing you manage to get this weak Epic AT to lvl 50.
Hmmm I suppose some could say "oh you were just riding the coat tails of the rest of those in your team or that of your SG", but the fact that most people that play this game actually like playing this game... probably level their characters for the love and fun of the game play. If you have done all that with a regular character and managed to do that with a weak Epic toon, Sheesh! you must be one Kick @$$ player Dude!!!
If I truly felt that PB's and WS's were terrible AT's and just horrid; then walked into a room and saw a lvl 50 PB or WS... I should just fall down to the ground and kick in my worshipping emote. and say "Wow, how did this guy get such a terrible AT to level 50; he must be a god. I must have him on my team or beg to be on his team" lol
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Its always so silly to me to hear the hate some people have for certain AT's and the very likely hood that Epic AT's are gimp is hilarious.
But let assume that you worked your Epic AT open with a character that you built from the ground up, with no PL'ing whatsoever. Then lets feed into the notion that Epic AT's are gimp or whatever, and without the help of PL'ing you manage to get this weak Epic AT to lvl 50.
Hmmm I suppose some could say "oh you were just riding the coat tails of the rest of those in your team or that of your SG", but the fact that most people that play this game actually like playing this game... probably level their characters for the love and fun of the game play. If you have done all that with a regular character and managed to do that with a weak Epic toon, Sheesh! you must be one Kick @$$ player Dude!!!
If I truly felt that PB's and WS's were terrible AT's and just horrid; then walked into a room and saw a lvl 50 PB or WS... I should just fall down to the ground and kick in my worshipping emote. and say "Wow, how did this guy get such a terrible AT to level 50; he must be a god. I must have him on my team or beg to be on his team" lol
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lol. On a serious note, I haven't seen that many epic toons at lvl 50, but i suspect that to change with as much farming going on.
I solo'ed many of those 50 levels I have on my TriFormShade, and my Lv50 PB got to her "old age" usually in an odd mixture of soloing, teaming with the All-Kheldian SG I run and plenty of TFs.
Kheldians are my AT-of-choice at the moment... and I actually turn down plenty of team-invites, and did so even before I13.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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2. The fact that khelds have a chance to spawn Quantums/Crystals. I've been rejected from many taskforces and farms because the people were afraid I'd spawn a crystal and we'd all wipe. Heaven forbid something in this game gives a challenge...
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Are the Cysts the same as the ones in ITF? When was this change added? I hardly run my kheld any more, but I've never run into a cyst in a mission. She's only lvl ~32 anyway.
If they're similar to the Cysts in ITF, they're more than manageable, since their blast radius is far less than blaster range, and any toughy can stand toe-to-toe with them. I don't get the issue.
And Quantums only kill Kheldian's anyway. It's because we taste like poundcake to them.
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well, I suggest not using foil. it can make the peanut butter taste metallic. Saran Wrap works best.
Here's something for the 'Bad Wrappers'...
Got out my lvl 50 Human Only PB and joined a PUG doing Dark Watcher's arc. Cosmic Balance was providing me with a good mix of offense and defense, and with Solar Flare and the two AoE ranged attacks, I was laying soe me pretty good damage to large numbers of Mobs, then I'd jump into the mobs to Pound a Boss with Inc. Strike - felt really powerful and effective.
Finally, the Save the World mish, the last room with the four generators. After taking the Rikti Leader and Nemesis AVs (with me right in their face the whole time), we get ready to tackle the pylons.
The piers are crawling with hordes of Rikti, with plenty of Bosses and Lts. Plan: Our Tanker and a Scrapper will stay back to handle ambushes while the rest of us took out the Pylons. I took the point. 1st Generator, absorbed the Alpha, and we took it out pretty quick. Take the second on the same pier - our AoEs are killing the Mobs as we smash the Pylons. I'm pretty much the Tank now, but I'm dishing out big Single and AoE damage too.
Two pylons down, we go back to the middle and help the Tanker clean up the ambushes that have spawned, then tackle the second pier. At this point, I've yet to use Light Form in the room. As we're smashing Pylon #3, we get ambushed from Hell. The Tanker and the whole team wipes, except me.
I bet there was 50+ Rikti on that pier with me. I hit Light Form, charge thru them to the Last Pylon. Using Photon Seekers and my other 3 AoEs, I manage to keep the Mobs off me (killing them and knowking them away - KB ain't always bad) as I attack the Pylon - and I take it down.
Everybody shouts 'Way to Go!', 'Good Job'. One teammate says, in Caps "YOU ARE A GOD!"
We had a 'Kheldian Proudest Moments' thread here once but I can't find it - this would be my Entry there
I don't think those teammates, if they ever did, will give Khelds a Bad Wrap now
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Its always so silly to me to hear the hate some people have for certain AT's and the very likely hood that Epic AT's are gimp is hilarious.
But let assume that you worked your Epic AT open with a character that you built from the ground up, with no PL'ing whatsoever. Then lets feed into the notion that Epic AT's are gimp or whatever, and without the help of PL'ing you manage to get this weak Epic AT to lvl 50.
Hmmm I suppose some could say "oh you were just riding the coat tails of the rest of those in your team or that of your SG", but the fact that most people that play this game actually like playing this game... probably level their characters for the love and fun of the game play. If you have done all that with a regular character and managed to do that with a weak Epic toon, Sheesh! you must be one Kick @$$ player Dude!!!
If I truly felt that PB's and WS's were terrible AT's and just horrid; then walked into a room and saw a lvl 50 PB or WS... I should just fall down to the ground and kick in my worshipping emote. and say "Wow, how did this guy get such a terrible AT to level 50; he must be a god. I must have him on my team or beg to be on his team" lol
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We ARE gods.
......Oh, you're still here?
That is all.
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76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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I have seen many comments aimed at Kheldians, but in truth I have never been kicked from a team because of playing one. Most times I form my own teams and once people see how good I am at playing my human only Peacebringer it pretty much silences anything anyone would have to say about the character. I can't recall how many times I have played with random people and ended up havnig them say they can't wait ot make a Peacebringer because of seeing how mine performs.
I think a lot of peoples ignorance towards Kheldians is because they have generally just teamed with horrible players that got their Peacebringers or Warshade powerleveled without actually learning how to play them. The same could be said about any other AT but since you see them a lot more often than a Peacebringer you do not hear the negativity as much.
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How about this build for a human only?
Meh, PBs are big white blobs of suck. You can just do so much more with the WS. It just takes effort to play to the full potential.
Cysts spawn so infrequently and Quantums have been nerfed so much that they're nearly non-factors now imo. Although the game may still occasionally drop a Cyst in an AV's pack at the end of a TF just to amuse itself...
Huh? Only difference I've seen between them is that PBs can soak up more damage and hang in fights longer while Warshades can do more damage to their opponents. Both are pretty awesome.
Over last weekend I was starting an ae team, and the first person I invited said, "There's no one here, and ur a PB." and then he quit. I may be reading to much into this, but why do PB's (or even WS's) get a bad wrap. Do PB's have a bad reputation for something, or was it just someone who didn't know what they were saying?
My PB (lvl 50) is just a strict blaster/tank build and he's nearly all the way purpled out. Also I'm going to make him a dual build, what's a good build for just a 1 form build.