Sorry all. Going to be cancelling this week. I'm not feeling much up to the CC today, but also it's invasion weekend so the odds of it getting interrupted are pretty high.
Look for it to return next weekend. Will shoot for Sunday @ 9:00 PM CST again.
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I'm more then happy now that it seems acceptable to host a CC in Cap au. The last time I tried that I got a bunch of people upset at me and telling me to host it in Mercy. It wasn't a positive experience/outcome.
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It does lead to that inevitable question, can a male toon ever win a costume contest?
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Held one in Mercy island a few weeks ago (near Kalinda) with a few VG mates.
Two of our winners were male (We had a draw on 3rd place, one male and one female lol).
I've been in CC's myself where the winners were almost all male - so it does happen 
(((Depends a lot on the age of the judges would be my guess >.> ))
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Is it some sort of prerequisite that the people with the plainest and or unassuming costumes be the judges of a costume contest?
I'm not saying this to be mean I just find it Ironic that most judges I've seen in Atlast and Cap tend to not have exceptional tastes in costuming themselves. Reminds me of every hair-dresser I've ever had.
Seriously, I seen some pretty jacked up CC.. but the majority of them are normally great. And when people complain that the females win all the time.. I dun know.. maybe its just me but I think they're just copping a plea.
Normally I see a bunch of male toons who just selected everything in a set. "I pick cyborg chest, gloves, legs and boots.. it matches so I look cool and I should win!" and then when the female wins for having a kick [censored] costume they cry "OMFG! females always win!"
Not to say that I've seen it happen where females would win cause of sex appeal (can't believe I just said that), but if the female winners just look awesome give them props.. don't cry like kids.
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Reminds me of every hair-dresser I've ever had.
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You know just for the record it is very difficult to cut your own hair.
Reminds me of this old logic puzzle.
You are in desperate need of a hair cut while in a strange town, there are only two barber shops open. You enter the first one and the place is spotless and the barber has a perfect haircut and greets you as you step in. You enter the second one and see it's a mess, the floor covered in hair clippings and the barber's hair is horrible. Which barber shop do you go to.
How is that a logic puzzle? Or did I miss some kinda joke?
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How is that a logic puzzle? Or did I miss some kinda joke?
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It's a logic puzzle, because most people would probably pick the nice, clean barbershop. However, when you stop to think about it... Who cuts his hair? He clearly doesn't cut it himself. That means that, in the messy shop, he had his hair done by the person across the street (who has a perfect haircut himself), which resulted in his hair being in shambles.
While the other fellow may have a messy shop, clearly he does good work. The same cannot be said of the other gentleman.
Thanks for the ellucidation. I guess I was totally thinking about that at face value when I read it.
<-- Very tired, and ready for bed.
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Thanks for the ellucidation. I guess I was totally thinking about that at face value when I read it.
<-- Very tired, and ready for bed.
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Heh. 
No problem - a lot of logic puzzles actually set you for taking it at face value, with the real answer covered up in a perfectly logical fashion that isn't immediately obvious.
A lot of really good riddles do that, too.
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You know just for the record it is very difficult to cut your own hair.
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Yes, but is it just as difficult to dress yourself?
I've won several costume contests but I can't help but question 'Why,' when i've seen costumes that were much more original and or stylish than my own in the same contest.
Probably why I don't participate in them anymore. They are just too bias to be fair.
I'd personally like to see a pannel of judges in the next costume contest rather than one individual judging based on personal tastes. Especially when that contest is being funded by outside donations.
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Is it some sort of prerequisite that the people with the plainest and or unassuming costumes be the judges of a costume contest?
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Are you saying you don't like my Widow's outfit? =p
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Is it some sort of prerequisite that the people with the plainest and or unassuming costumes be the judges of a costume contest?
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Are you saying you don't like my Widow's outfit? =p
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Wouldn't say I dislike it, I'm rather preferential towards elegant minimilism. However, I doubt the costume would win first place in a costume contest; perhaps runner up.
Call me nuts and a nitpicker because I am certainly both these things, but I've always felt if there's going to be a costume contest the judges should state in a frank and concise manner what they are looking for in the winning costume. Aftwards explain WHY the winner won to avoid some skepticism about the contest being rigged; also and most importantly, have more than one judge so it curbs personal bias.
As for the judges costumes being boring and uninspiring, I'm sticking by that observation because for the most part, I have yet to be proven wrong.
p.s. The crab costume was certainly fun and original, he certainly won most original costume. However most original and most Fashionable are two seperate categories.
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Call me nuts and a nitpicker because I am certainly both these things, but I've always felt if there's going to be a costume contest the judges should state in a frank and concise manner what they are looking for in the winning costume. Aftwards explain WHY the winner won to avoid some skepticism about the contest being rigged; also and most importantly, have more than one judge so it curbs personal bias.
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That seems like a lot of rules to impose on people who are giving away inf for FREE.
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Wouldn't say I dislike it, I'm rather preferential towards elegant minimilism. However, I doubt the costume would win first place in a costume contest; perhaps runner up.
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See, the problem there is that that's totally subjective. Maybe you think it's worth second place. Maybe someone else thinks it's the best costume ever. Someone else thinks it's terrible. There's absolutely no way ANYONE can make a costume that everyone would agree would make first place in a costume contest. Everyone looks for different things. I get compliments on that outfit, and I like it. That's enough for me. There's no way I can please everyone who attends by having a costume they all like, though.
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Call me nuts and a nitpicker because I am certainly both these things, but I've always felt if there's going to be a costume contest the judges should state in a frank and concise manner what they are looking for in the winning costume.
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If I did that, everyone would try to change their outfits to match what I seem to want. People already try to sense patterns and come up with theories on what would let them win. Besides that, I don't really know what I want specifically. I just see stuff and award what catches my eye.
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Aftwards explain WHY the winner won to avoid some skepticism about the contest being rigged; also and most importantly, have more than one judge so it curbs personal bias.
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I do both of these things. I announce aloud what I liked about each winner. I always also have at least one assistant. Sometimes two other judges helping.
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As for the judges costumes being boring and uninspiring, I'm sticking by that observation because for the most part, I have yet to be proven wrong.
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You can't prove an opinion wrong. =)
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p.s. The crab costume was certainly fun and original, he certainly won most original costume. However most original and most Fashionable are two seperate categories.
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Sometimes I award fun, sometimes I award original, and sometimes I award fashionable. I pick what I like. Sometimes that's a joke costume. Sometimes it's something really original and crazy that I haven't seen before. Sometimes it's just something cool.
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If I did that, everyone would try to change their outfits to match what I seem to want. People already try to sense patterns and come up with theories on what would let them win. Besides that, I don't really know what I want specifically. I just see stuff and award what catches my eye.
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Well, that's the point of a contest. You set conditions such as the "most original" costume or "Fashionable" so that they are aware of the contest terms. Surprising people with "what you were actually looking for" is a bit sneaky, I can see why people get angry if there are no set conditions.
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I do both of these things. I announce aloud what I liked about each winner. I always also have at least one assistant. Sometimes two other judges helping.
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Good to read.
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You can't prove an opinion wrong. =)
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Sure you can. You just can't prove MY opinion wrong.
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Sometimes I award fun, sometimes I award original, and sometimes I award fashionable. I pick what I like. Sometimes that's a joke costume. Sometimes it's something really original and crazy that I haven't seen before. Sometimes it's just something cool.
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Do you specify before the contest that you are looking for "fun" costumes "original" or "joke" costumes? this is why I don't do costume contests, judges seldom tell you what they are looking for.
Since we can't read the judges mind it isn't so much a contest so much as an ego rub. there is no real condition pool to judge from other than the judges own personal bias.
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Well, that's the point of a contest. You set conditions such as the "most original" costume or "Fashionable" so that they are aware of the contest terms. Surprising people with "what you were actually looking for" is a bit sneaky, I can see why people get angry if there are no set conditions.
Do you specify before the contest that you are looking for "fun" costumes "original" or "joke" costumes? this is why I don't do costume contests, judges seldom tell you what they are looking for.
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See, the thing is, the point of the contest is to just give money to people with costumes that I like. I don't claim it to be anything other than that. I like to be more inclusive with contestants though. Sometimes nobody shows up with a joke costume. Sometimes someone does, but it doesn't really strike my fancy. Sometimes someone shows up with a costume idea I've never seen before.
When I host, 10 people win. That means if 30 people show up, 1/3 of them are going to win. If I announced that I'm only accepting joke costumes, what happens if only 4 people show up with a joke costume? And what do I do about the other 26 people who are going to complain that I'm biased toward joke costumes? When do they get their turn? When do I judge medieval costumes? When do I judge robot costumes? And when I judge robot costumes, someone will claim I'm biased toward full robots over cyborgs. What if someone has a joke robot costume? Can they enter twice? That's not fair, is it?
What happens when someone shows up with a really unique costume that's in a category I hadn't considered? Can they never win because they aren't in a category I announced? Is it fair to exclude people with really good costumes because they aren't part of that week's theme? I'd rather host something that everyone can enter every time.
The only time I ever mention something that I'm NOT looking for is full sets (if you're just wearing the full Valkyrie set, you aren't going to win), or overly skimpy outfits (if you aren't wearing clothes, how can you win a costume contest?)
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Since we can't read the judges mind it isn't so much a contest so much as an ego rub. there is no real condition pool to judge from other than the judges own personal bias.
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I hate to say it, but there's no possible way to have a contest based on opinions and NOT have personal bias. The only way I could eliminate bias would be to eliminate the contest part, by picking at random. No matter who picks, or how many people help pick, it's still bias based on if that person or those people like clown costumes, demon costumes, or crab costumes.
The way I do it now, people occasionally whine about the picks I make because they feel they should've won. If I did it your way, that would still happen. In fact, I've done some where almost everyone present has said that a certain person should win, and I happened to agree so I picked them. And someone still complained. It's impossible to please everyone, no matter how it's done. Even if we had 30 judges and took half an hour to do each round and narrow down picks, people would still claim bias and disagree with the choices made.
If you want to know how I personally do it, I glance across the contestants and pick out the ones I like. This is usually from 1-5, although it's generally around 2-3. Then I ask the other judge(s) for their picks to fill in to the full 5. Then I sort them and award prizes for 1-3rd with two runner-ups. Then we do the second round with the other gender.
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Well, that's the point of a contest. You set conditions such as the "most original" costume or "Fashionable" so that they are aware of the contest terms. Surprising people with "what you were actually looking for" is a bit sneaky, I can see why people get angry if there are no set conditions.
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Maybe that is your perception of "the point of a contest".
Really, I can't stand it when people get so worked up over these sorts of contests.
People want to give rewards for people based on their opinions... So be it!
If people choose to enter into the contest, so be it!
You win, you lose... Yippee, it's just silly fun!
Why so serious?
As for it being funded by other players, and thus the thinking that it should meet certain requirements because of that...
No. The people supplying additional funds can choose to contribute or not, based on their own opinions of how things are.
When the outside contributors make the decisions of what is right and how things should go...
Well... then you get Hollywood and pop-marketing...
And actually, it sounds like you'd like that very much!
Striving to win contests by conforming to the precepts of the organizers should help people's focus on how they style their costumes??
That's your opinion.
And in the omni court district of my opinion, you can be found wrong!
I happen to like choosing things based on individual style and merit and nothing more.
I choose to compete against myself and anything that I feel matters to me.
Not any established rules garnered for fair and structured contests!
Haha... Anyways...
How can a thread about a person running costume contests (And providing fun and interest in this activity) turn into such a discussion as this?
Dispari,
Every weekend... I seem to forget about this!!
I'm going to try my best to show up next time.
Just for kicks!
Eh, I may even enter the contest! And hope to lose so I can put a curse on you all!! (Not really that last bit, hahaha)
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Maybe that is your perception of "the point of a contest".
Really, I can't stand it when people get so worked up over these sorts of contests.
People want to give rewards for people based on their opinions... So be it!
If people choose to enter into the contest, so be it!
You win, you lose... Yippee, it's just silly fun!
Why so serious?
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You assume I take any of this seriously.
She is free to host her costume contests however she feels. I'm just offering alternative ideas. She feels her personal bias is better than a pannel of judges, that's fine.
I'm not saying she's wrong. It's selfish. But it's a costume contest by its very nature its selfish.
I still would like to know why judges costumes tend to be less appealing than the people they are judging.
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You assume I take any of this seriously.
She is free to host her costume contests however she feels. I'm just offering alternative ideas. She feels her personal bias is better than a pannel of judges, that's fine.
I'm not saying she's wrong. It's selfish. But it's a costume contest by its very nature its selfish.
I still would like to know why judges costumes tend to be less appealing than the people they are judging.
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I'm sorry that I selfishly spend 3 hours out of every week to give out 40m (sometimes of my own money) to people who I don't know, for no personal profit, on behalf of VGs and individuals who would like to be recognized, for no particular cause other than to see costume contests become more common redside. 
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It's selfish? Ha!
You asked us in an earlier post to call you nuts, well, wish granted - you, my friend, are nuts.
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You assume I take any of this seriously.
She is free to host her costume contests however she feels. I'm just offering alternative ideas. She feels her personal bias is better than a pannel of judges, that's fine.
I'm not saying she's wrong. It's selfish. But it's a costume contest by its very nature its selfish.
I still would like to know why judges costumes tend to be less appealing than the people they are judging.
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I'm sorry that I selfishly spend 3 hours out of every week to give out 40m (sometimes of my own money) to people who I don't know, for no personal profit, on behalf of VGs and individuals who would like to be recognized, for no particular cause other than to see costume contests become more common redside.
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Apology accepted. Although you really didn't have to.
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It's selfish? Ha!
You asked us in an earlier post to call you nuts, well, wish granted - you, my friend, are nuts.
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I seem to make new friends every day on these threads.
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You can't prove an opinion wrong. =)
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Sure you can. You just can't prove MY opinion wrong.
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I'm tempted to make this my signature. And I don't mean that as a compliment to Tokyo.
Dispari's 12th Weekly Redside Costume Contest
This week was a little less populated than usual. A bit late for people, I suspect. Still, got 27,000,000 in donations and a sponsorship by Guilty by Association for next week.
Prizes:
1st: 10m
2nd: 5m
3rd: 2.5m
Runner-ups: 1m
Female runner-ups:
Ebon Baroness
Vesper Violare
Third place:
Pyrokinecia
Second place:
Eve Hollows.
First place:
Blindmoon
Male runner-ups:
Crom Cruach
YaDamnFairy
Third place:
Kommadant Macht - level 7!
Second place:
Necro-Khan
First place:
Dr. Bluethorn
That's all for this week. Next week's CC should be around Sunday at 9:00 PM CST. Give people an earlier start time, since this week was a little sparse with the later time. See you all then!