Keeping a 5 star rating?


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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.


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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.

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JSNTS stands for Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement, according to Google.

... probably wrong tho, at least in this context.


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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.

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Instinct says a voting cartel.

How about forming an anti-cartel JSYTS which one stars those arcs?


 

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I probably have more than a couple of people who are not fans of me, I wouldn't have thought they would seek me out to one star me.

I wish there was a way to anonymize your arcs so stuff like that wouldn't happen. I prefer judging and being judged on the merits of the story I've written, rather than having my friends simply star me or enemies penalize me based on the authorship.


 

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Well, the grief voting and preference down voting were things we discussed in open a lot. Many people thought it was a non-factor.

I really don't know how much of a factor it is, but I do know it is occurring and it really has to be expected from human beings.

To me if you can get a 4 star arc and a lot of plays thats the best you can expect unless you take some seriously pro-active steps to account for the bad people and those that just do get it.


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We had one... and it kept wobbling on and off the HOF thanks to be mathematical implausibility of a 4.5+ average.

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I heard quite a bit about that on some of my channels when I logged on last night just after it fell out of the HoF again. "That was HoF material?"


 

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Is it common to get bad ratings without feedback?

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Yeah. The causes of this are Ratings Griefers and people who have no backbone and think that since because feedback is not anonymous that means that if they tell you they 1-starred you that you'll immediately run over and 1-star their arc out of revenge.

Either tell me what you thought was wrong with my arc or don't leave a rating at all.


 

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If you leave a no rating is that zero stars or just not counted?

I'd prefer a weighted average then or a blend of the median or statistical distribution rather than a simple average. It seems too easy to hurt someone's rating simply by accident or that you don't like them.


 

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If you leave a no rating is that zero stars or just not counted?

I'd prefer a weighted average then or a blend of the median or statistical distribution rather than a simple average. It seems too easy to hurt someone's rating simply by accident or that you don't like them.

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not counted its only if you take away the stars then its a zero. Also ya that would be a very good idea make it a median so that greifing does not effect it and it makes it easier to make hall of fame.


 

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My biggest concern is why are there isn't any feedback on lower star ratings?

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A combination of pain in the butt griefing and some people living in mortal fear of their global being visible and getting one-starred in return.

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This. And because the majority of people are chicken. Yeah, that's right I'm saying it. The majority of you are chicken. Go ahead, log on and one star all my arcs. I don't care. I have no fear. Because the mass public will cancel out idiot votes by jerks, as long as what you've done is GOOD. And if what you have done isn't good, you'll hear about that too.

Four stars really is the top tier for the reasons others have mentioned earlier. Five stars is mathematically impossible to maintain. I say, if your arc is 3 stars or above, it's a good solid Arc, so don't worry.

I'd only be worried about a total rating of one or two stars, especially after a couple dozen votes. Then you might want to really look at the content of your Arc.

If I give one or two stars, it's for a GOOD REASON. And I GIVE feedback, whether they like it or not. I'm usually courteous, unless their mission has insulted my intelligence for some reason. (Like the mission where the entire text consisted of single digit numbers)


 

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Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping a 5-star rating?

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Don't get people to play your arcs.

The average expected rating of a perfect arc is under 4.5 meaning it won't display as 5 stars. This assumes the game's playerbase is 30% crazy and will give mission arcs essentially random ratings.

As more and more people play your arc the chances that someone crazy will downvote it toward the norm increases.


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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.

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Instinct says a voting cartel.

How about forming an anti-cartel JSYTS which one stars those arcs?

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How about reporting it to a GM and let them determine if it's an auto-5-star club or not and not getting yourself banned for vote griefing and manipulation?


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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.

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Instinct says a voting cartel.

How about forming an anti-cartel JSYTS which one stars those arcs?

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Maybe I should call mine "Will no one help the widow's son?" and see if that helps me get more five s-star ratings...

(If I was at home I'd check - I'm betting it's already been used for a title.)


 

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Apparently there is a way to keep a 5 star rating. Just add the string "JSNTS" into your arc description. Go ahead and search on that.

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What's with that, anyway? Just Say No To Supradyne? I've seen it pop up in a lot of arcs.

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Instinct says a voting cartel.

How about forming an anti-cartel JSYTS which one stars those arcs?

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Maybe I should call mine "Will no one help the widow's son?" and see if that helps me get more five s-star ratings...

(If I was at home I'd check - I'm betting it's already been used for a title.)

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This. And because the majority of people are chicken. Yeah, that's right I'm saying it. The majority of you are chicken. Go ahead, log on and one star all my arcs. I don't care. I have no fear. Because the mass public will cancel out idiot votes by jerks, as long as what you've done is GOOD. And if what you have done isn't good, you'll hear about that too.

Four stars really is the top tier for the reasons others have mentioned earlier. Five stars is mathematically impossible to maintain. I say, if your arc is 3 stars or above, it's a good solid Arc, so don't worry.

I'd only be worried about a total rating of one or two stars, especially after a couple dozen votes. Then you might want to really look at the content of your Arc.

If I give one or two stars, it's for a GOOD REASON. And I GIVE feedback, whether they like it or not. I'm usually courteous, unless their mission has insulted my intelligence for some reason. (Like the mission where the entire text consisted of single digit numbers)

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I would completely agree with you except for the bug where you can 0-star missions. If someone's going to be incredibly vindictive and they know how to do it, they'll throw 0-star ratings at you. Once they fix that bug I'll be far more inclined to give feedback when I think an arc is bad.

I have to agree though that if you have 4 stars after your arc has been noticed by the general public, you're doing well. If you're grading on a direct scale where 1 is utter crap and 5 is pure genius, 3 is an average arc, and 4 is a good arc.

Side note: if the hall of fame mission we're talking about is the same one I think it is, I have to say that I gave it 5 stars. I thought it was hilarious.


 

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Some of the other issues are just how easy it is to miss vote, not vote due to the vote screen not coming up at the end (which seems to happen in larger groups) or send the feedback and forget to click the stars. All these can impact your rating. One mistaken 0 star rating takes nine fives to counter. It's is not easy to get plays when you are on page 220.

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It's not mathematically impossible to keep a five star rating. Looking at IMDB there's three movies that's done so (has a rating of 9 and up, which would translate to 4.5 rounded up to 5). The Shawshank Redemption (1994), The Godfather (1972) and The Godfather: Part II (1974). Those are the only three movies ever made that manages it, however.

So if you think your arc is the Godfather of CoH, then go ahead and strive for a 5 average. Those of us without hubris will be thrilled with a 4 average.


 

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Because the mass public will cancel out idiot votes by jerks, as long as what you've done is GOOD.

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So if we don't get any Hall of Fame arcs in, say, three months, it's because nobody among the 130k players can make a single thing that's good, right?




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It's not mathematically impossible to keep a five star rating. Looking at IMDB there's three movies that's done so (has a rating of 9 and up, which would translate to 4.5 rounded up to 5). The Shawshank Redemption (1994), The Godfather (1972) and The Godfather: Part II (1974). Those are the only three movies ever made that manages it, however.

So if you think your arc is the Godfather of CoH, then go ahead and strive for a 5 average. Those of us without hubris will be thrilled with a 4 average.

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Ok, so it's not mathematically impossible, just very very improbable.


 

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It's not mathematically impossible to keep a five star rating. Looking at IMDB there's three movies that's done so (has a rating of 9 and up, which would translate to 4.5 rounded up to 5).

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Apples and tungsten. A 1-10 rating, you can vote and say "This isn't flawless, but it's amazing" and pick 9. That 9 helps you get an average of 9, yes.

On a 1-5 rating, you can votet and say "This isn't flawless, but it's amazing" and pick 4. That 4 helps you get an average of 4, not an average of 4.5 -- it can ONLY hurt your rating, it cannot help it.

A better comparison would be to look for the number of 9.5 ratings on IMDB, since the only rating which can get you there is a 10.

But even if a 9 was enough...

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The Shawshank Redemption (1994), The Godfather (1972) and The Godfather: Part II (1974). Those are the only three movies ever made that manages it, however.

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So, in the whole of recorded history, only three movies would deserve a COH Hall of Fame under our criteria. Groovy!


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Because the mass public will cancel out idiot votes by jerks, as long as what you've done is GOOD. And if what you have done isn't good, you'll hear about that too.

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Thing is, in my experience, it's the jerks that are the majority. You aren't going to cancel that out with a minority.

(Actually, scratch that. The real majority are apathetic, but since they don't participate in the process, they might as well not exist. Only those who speak up count, and there are a lot more shouting drivel and obscenities than making reasoned arguments.)

Good arcs will get downchecked by the selfish and the clueless, through no fault of the author, but just because someone doesn't like your name or the color of your custom boss' costume or they had a bad day at work or they love EBs or they hate EBs or they're trying to keep their arc near the top by pushing all the others down. There are many more reasons to vote an arc down than there are to vote it up, to obstruct rather than support.

Welcome to democracy in action - rule of the mob, in its rawest, stupidest, most selfish form.


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My biggest concern is why are there isn't any feedback on lower star ratings?

I have no problems with someone reserving a star or even two if they didn't enjoy my arc, but when I see lots of 5 star comments etc... and then all of a sudden I lose a star on average without any feedback. It likely means that someone has abandoned my arc or rated it poorly.

Both arcs have over 30 plays easily so having it drop so suddenly without feedback is kind of worrisome. I'm just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.

Is it common to get bad ratings without feedback?

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one simple answer: fear.

Everytime someone posts a comment on your arc, it sends it to you via tell with their global. If someone rated your arc a 1 star, they wouldnt leave a comment cause some would be afraid of the "oh yeah! then I'll just one star one of your arcs Mr. Jerky McJerkypants!" reaction... On the other hand, they want you to know if they gave you a 5 star, cause they hope you will return the favor.

The other big problem: badges...

My arc was made to be a tf, it takes between 20 minutes to an hour to play. Yet, 2 minutes after posting it, I got 3 starred. This is due to someone jumping in it, and quitting once they entered just to rate it ASAP to get the early bird badge (you need to rate an arc that has 10 or less votes on it).

So yeah, as it stands, the AE system works, but it just isnt perfect.


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The mentality that an arc deserves either five stars if it's good, or one star if it's not good (or zero for complete jerkoffs) doesn't help any.

Five stars should be the best of the best, the cream of the crop, the cat's pajamas(?). Four stars, in a world where ratings were fair and accurate, is still quite good.

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Amen. I saw one arc review where the reviewer said the narrative was lacking in terms of immersion, then gave the arc 5 stars. I'll round up if I believe the arc is a "X.5," but not if X=4. Unless an arc wins in all of the categories I think are important, a 4 is the highest rating I can give. BUT!

A 4 is very, very good.


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A 4 is very, very good.

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I agree. But under the criteria the Devs have set for obtaining more publishing slots, a 4 is "not good enough." (Not to mention sorting/visibility issues in the current implementation of the browser.)

Still waiting for an announcement of alternate means.


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