Live Patch -- 2.10.09: Discussion!
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Posted on: 2009-02-10 24:12 in Developers' Corner
We still need that full list of merit changes. Any chance if you can get us the word on that? Will it be today at least?
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Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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We still need that full list of merit changes. Any chance if you can get us the word on that? Will it be today at least?
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Watch for Synapse to post. I'm not going to steal his thunder!
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Woo! no more broken tells!
- thanks for posting them Ex
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My biggest complaint is that we should have gotten the info on the Merit Changes BEFORE the patch went live.
why?
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We still need that full list of merit changes. Any chance if you can get us the word on that? Will it be today at least?
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Watch for Synapse to post. I'm not going to steal his thunder!
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No offense intended, Ex, but if Synapse wanted to claim his thunder, he should have posted the list before or at the same time as the patch went live. Doing so now is more like correcting something that should already have be done than bringing the thunder.
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why?
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Because having Information is nice?
No, the why was to having the merit changes posted back while it was still in test.
The devs have said that they base the merit amounts on their data mining of actual play plus what the missions in the arc are then feed it through their magical merit calculator and get the results. I'm pretty sure that nobody could make a legitimate case to blunt the changes in TF/trial/arcs than had serious merit reductions.
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My biggest complaint is that we should have gotten the info on the Merit Changes BEFORE the patch went live.
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and again, Why? What good would that have done you?
<ul type="square">[*]They actually DID warn us it was coming over a week ago.
There has been a forum thread tracking the changes, since the 3rd of this month.[*]The devs do NOT like to give much, or any warning, when they are fixing something that they look at as an exploit, or something that is not being played as intended.[/list]
You just wanted to farm the cherry rewards a few more times?
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My biggest complaint is that we should have gotten the info on the Merit Changes BEFORE the patch went live.
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and again, Why? What good would that have done you?
<ul type="square">[*]They actually DID warn us it was coming over a week ago.
There has been a forum thread tracking the changes, since the 3rd of this month.[*]The devs do NOT like to give much, or any warning, when they are fixing something that they look at as an exploit, or something that is not being played as intended.[/list]
You just wanted to run the cherry rewards a few more times?
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This isnt an Exploit, stop throwing Fingers. We want information and its information that would be nice to have.
What good does it to do have a lack of information?
And it could be something that impacts our play or something to discuss with friends.
Damn you act like asking for them to Fully post the changes they make to the damn game is blasphemy.
[ QUOTE ][*] Failing a mission that is the final (or only) mission of a story arc, task force, strike force or trial may result in reduced rewards. Failing tasks that have 2 or less missions will award 0 merits. Failing tasks that have 3-4 missions will award 50% merits. Failing a task that has 5 or more missions will result in normal merits.[/LIST]
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Theres one high level Hero side arc where they give you 5 minutes to disarm or destroy 3 or 4 items. Is that gonna lower the number of merits in in arc for giving a virtually impossible task?
OOOO joy!! This is now LIVE and all the clueless people can start getting irritated. I love the way the devs handle these things. So ingenuitive!
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[ QUOTE ][*] Failing a mission that is the final (or only) mission of a story arc, task force, strike force or trial may result in reduced rewards. Failing tasks that have 2 or less missions will award 0 merits. Failing tasks that have 3-4 missions will award 50% merits. Failing a task that has 5 or more missions will result in normal merits.[/LIST]
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Theres one high level Hero side arc where they give you 5 minutes to disarm or destroy 3 or 4 items. Is that gonna lower the number of merits in in arc for giving a virtually impossible task?
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The penalty is only if the last mission is failed, and the race against time mission is far from the last. Also, even if it was, it falls into the "5 or more missions" category that means no penalty.
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Ooh. That mission is sort of an 'intentional failure.' I completely forgot about that one.
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[ QUOTE ][*] Failing a mission that is the final (or only) mission of a story arc, task force, strike force or trial may result in reduced rewards. Failing tasks that have 2 or less missions will award 0 merits. Failing tasks that have 3-4 missions will award 50% merits. Failing a task that has 5 or more missions will result in normal merits.[/LIST]
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Theres one high level Hero side arc where they give you 5 minutes to disarm or destroy 3 or 4 items. Is that gonna lower the number of merits in in arc for giving a virtually impossible task?
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Is the task the last mission in the arc?
Does the arc have 5 or more missions?
(Hint: No, and yes. Draw your own conclusions based on that 
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My biggest complaint is that we should have gotten the info on the Merit Changes BEFORE the patch went live.
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and again, Why? What good would that have done you?
<ul type="square">[*]They actually DID warn us it was coming over a week ago.
There has been a forum thread tracking the changes, since the 3rd of this month.[*]The devs do NOT like to give much, or any warning, when they are fixing something that they look at as an exploit, or something that is not being played as intended.[/list]
You just wanted to run the cherry rewards a few more times?
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This isnt an Exploit, stop throwing Fingers. We want information and its information that would be nice to have.. . .
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I said "or something that is not being played as intended."
This sort of thing is NOT something they want to let us know ahead of the change.
The information has already been being compiled... by us.
We will see if they give us the data now that the change has been made.
But even if they don't, the information WILL be there for you in the next couple of days, on the data sites, like Paragonwiki.
or go to that thread I linked above.
Sorry you didn't see the information we have been discussing for a week now.
Pay attention.
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Ooh. That mission is sort of an 'intentional failure.' I completely forgot about that one.
[/ QUOTE ]This is why you get super speed and stealth IO. I never failed that one despite there being hardly any time to do it. The lady jane hostage thing on the other hand, failed it at least 20 times already. 2 nights ago the npc got my whole team killed despite us being extra careful with this mission.
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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My biggest complaint is that we should have gotten the info on the Merit Changes BEFORE the patch went live.
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and again, Why? What good would that have done you?
<ul type="square">[*]They actually DID warn us it was coming over a week ago.
There has been a forum thread tracking the changes, since the 3rd of this month.[*]The devs do NOT like to give much, or any warning, when they are fixing something that they look at as an exploit, or something that is not being played as intended.[/list]
You just wanted to run the cherry rewards a few more times?
.
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This isnt an Exploit, stop throwing Fingers. We want information and its information that would be nice to have.. . .
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I said "or something that is not being played as intended."
This sort of thing is NOT something they want to let us know ahead of the change.
The information has already been being compiled... by us.
We will see if they give us the data now that the change has been made.
But even if they don't, the information WILL be there for you in the next couple of days, on the data sites, like Paragonwiki.
or go to that thread I linked above.
Sorry you didn't see the information we have been discussing for a week now.
Pay attention.
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Ummmm who are you to say what type of playing is INTENDED
OO wait your prolly one of those guys that gets pissed when people speed stuff, huh?
YOU play your way. I will play mine. Using the word "exploit" tends to put a bee in peoples bonnets round these parts. Maybe next time pick a different word to illustrate your opinion.
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This isnt an Exploit, stop throwing Fingers. We want information and its information that would be nice to have.
What good does it to do have a lack of information?
And it could be something that impacts our play or something to discuss with friends.
Damn you act like asking for them to Fully post the changes they make to the damn game is blasphemy.
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First, did they ever publish a list of what the merits were when they first came out? I don't believe I've seen an official list from a dev. So officially publishing now would be a first.
Second, if such information did come out while the change was in beta, it would simply encourage even more farming of those missions. Since the purpose of the changes is to bring these statistical outliers but toward the median, the old "risk Vs reward", why would the devs wish to encourage even more farming of missions they are "fixing"? Remember, the whole point of merits was to normalize the reward so the merits received for an "average" TF/trial would be the same as the cost of a random roll.
Third, the excessive drama on the forums about what missions were changing.
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Patch Notes: Patch 18.20081210.10T4
COMBINED
Tasks
<ul type="square">[*] Fixed a bug that caused unlocked or automatically assigned Contacts to give players story arcs before the players talked to them, and without updating the storyarc UI.[/list]Rewards
<ul type="square">[*] Added completion rewards of Influence/Infamy and XP to many story arcs that were missing them since the introduction of Merit rewards.[/list]Merit Rewards
<ul type="square">[*] All tasks have had their Merit times and rewards re-evaluated. Most tasks received an increase to merits reward.[*] Failing a mission that is the final (or only) mission of a story arc, task force, strike force or trial may result in reduced rewards. Failing tasks that have 2 or less missions will award 0 merits. Failing tasks that have 3-4 missions will award 50% merits. Failing a task that has 5 or more missions will result in normal merits.[/list]Chat
<ul type="square">[*]Fixed a bug that sometimes caused private tells to be cut off at either end. [*]Fixed a bug that sometimes caused global channels Arena & Help text to be cut off at either end.[/list]