MMOART Presents...

/e thinks about comissioning MMOART, for more kitty-tude =^.^=

and to apease the Wassy I've drawn up some of my felines

Gata's kitties

Looks like they finally put up an update and some artwork on the MMOArt website

I'm wondering why there are artists in MMOART.com's employ that are going uncredited. For example, the artist of the "The Sick and the Dead" piece (who is simply referred to as "the studio cartoonist") and the artist of the "Lethe" rough. I notice Kindred's name on all of his pieces, but art by anyone else has no signature, just the MMOART.com logo. I can't find anything on the website about the other artists either. It also makes me wonder what/who else is going uncredited.

It's very important for artists to be credited for their work and very disrespectful (to put it mildly) to deny them that right.

I know some people are pretty opinionated on forums and such but I think it would be best keep the sharp criticism off of these forums. No one wants to see this devolve into a flame fest. It'd be better to ask these questions directly of Jomaro via email if you have concerns.

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I'm wondering why there are artists in MMOART.com's employ that are going uncredited. For example, the artist of the "The Sick and the Dead" piece (who is simply referred to as "the studio cartoonist") and the artist of the "Lethe" rough. I notice Kindred's name on all of his pieces, but art by anyone else has no signature, just the MMOART.com logo. I can't find anything on the website about the other artists either. It also makes me wonder what/who else is going uncredited.

It's very important for artists to be credited for their work and very disrespectful (to put it mildly) to deny them that right.

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He has an artist under contract. Not sure if that contract has asserted copyright (basically the artist would be doing 'for-hire' and may or may not be allowed to sign the work.) That, you would have to ask Jomaro about.

I will send an e-mail to MMOART.com. And honestly, I don't understand why anyone would sign a contract to do uncredited work for a website. They can just as easily take the commissions on themselves and retain full rights to their art. MMOART.com isn't providing some type of resource or publishing medium that is unattainable to the average person.

There's a number of reasons as to why that may happen. Maybe the other artist wants to remain anonymous because of relationships with major publishing companies. Or maybe they get a bigger percentage fee for the work. There's alot of stuff you have to manage though taking commissions: Managing money. Shipping art. communicating with members who need stuff change. Alot of that's a hassle to deal with when they can spend more time just drawing. So having an agent or a studio handle the adminstrating stuff may not be such a bad idea.

Example: An artist is hired by Disney to produce a movie poster. Disney retains the copyright to the characters AND the movie, and because the artist is paid 'for hire' they are not allowed to reproduce the work for profit or claim it as their own work without Disney's sign-off.

Example two: A private buyer commissions an artist to produce a work. The artist is not constrained from signing the work as their own - in fact, the commissioning party prefers that they do, for the name recognition as well as authenticity.

In both cases, the artist is compensated for the work, but only one allows them to 'claim' it as their own.

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Looks like they finally put up an update and some artwork on the MMOArt website

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hahaha - did I call it, or what??

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yet with all of this... for some reason I half expect to see something amazing posted within a day - for some reason it always seems to flow that way.

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I know some people are pretty opinionated on forums and such but I think it would be best keep the sharp criticism off of these forums. No one wants to see this devolve into a flame fest. It'd be better to ask these questions directly of Jomaro via email if you have concerns.

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What would you recommned in TA's case? He's stated that he's owed pieces or money... with little rply from MMOART - should he not post about his experiences here?

It's tough, becuase on the one hand I don't want to see a crack down on commissions and such. But on the other hand, I'm a big proponent of customer rights.

I'm really not sure what's right in this case.

Actually, making some comments here every now and then seems to be helpful. Stuff seems to come along right after. Maybe its a good reminder?

Well, I think by now we've established that it would be pretty risky to deal with MMOArt.com right now. To the point where I don't think anyone who happens on this thread would still commission them for work.

I understand the frustration, especially TA's. But I'm not sure this is the best place to raise those types of concerns. It could cause moderators to step in and NCSoft might lay down some ground rules that none of us would like.

(wow, these forums are finicky tonight)

New Art from MMOART.com

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Greetings everyone and Happy Holidays! Now that our move and brief 'turkey vacation' are out of the way, we can get back to more artwork! Today we release a massive action scene featuring The Gallant Knights of Divinity vs. Infernal!! And the completed version of CoH's Parzifal, the invincible knight!!

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New Art from MMOART.com

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Greetings everyone and Happy Holidays! Now that our move and brief 'turkey vacation' are out of the way, we can get back to more artwork! Today we release a massive action scene featuring The Gallant Knights of Divinity vs. Infernal!! And the completed version of CoH's Parzifal, the invincible knight!!

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You know, I'm always a fan of Gill's stuff - he's one of my favorites and I wish he still posted on DA.

But A_M, I've gotta' ask... why does it seem like you're working for MMOART? I want to say this in a way that's non-confrontational - because I really do think Gill's art is awesome - so I understand being a fan of him... I really do.

Are you in contact with him as an arrangement... or just a fan posting up his work?

((and you don't have to answer that man... I'm just curious. On this board it seems like there are those that attack him, and those that are on his side... and they all seem to have their reasons. But I'm curious, because Gill no longer posts here, really what is going on with him sometimes))

Umm where'd that come from?

Well you are posting updates from their site. I'm curious as to why as well. The folks in this thread are checking that site out daily for news regarding their commissions as Jomaro or Lush haven't been in contact.

I'm posting updates in a thread that Gill started for posting updates. You'll forgive me if I don't understand what the issue is exactly.

I've been posting updates from MMOART site for a long while and no one had an issue with it, so why is it suddenly a focus of curiousity now?

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I'm posting updates in a thread that Gill started for posting updates. You'll forgive me if I don't understand what the issue is exactly.

I've been posting updates from MMOART site for a long while and no one had an issue with it, so why is it suddenly a focus of curiousity now?

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Actually, truth be told, I've always kind of wondered.

I mean, there are a lot of artists on here posting up their art and sites... and there are a lot of people posting up art they've had done, but it's not too often that someone will consistently post up art from other artists that they are just fans of. Usually, if people post pics from an artist, they have some connection to them (I think that someone usually posts for Graver here but can't seem to think of the user right now).

My point was not whether or not you should... or even if it's odd to or not.. I was simply wondering (like many who have posted on this thread and the one before it about MMOART) what is going on.

I'm very sorry if this came off accusatory, but with how many times MMOART has disappeared in the past, I don't think it's totally out of line to ask if people know what's going on.

A few posts ago TA (a long standing member of this forum) posted continuing troubles with MMOART... and I had thought that all of that had went away with the 're-boot' - apparently it hasn't.

So, I'm going to say this again, just in case it was in any way unclear - if you're close to GILl and MMOART, I was simply wondering if you knew what was going on.

I hope that sounds reasonable to you.

*mind starts to shut down to drama*

I want to voice, I appreciate the updates that Alty makes, cause I'm too lazy to go to the site unless it's posted in a forum. I've always thought he was just a really good fan and wanted us to see all the new peices.

As for the troubles that Jomaro (did I get that right?) is he works really hard, then some of the business stuff starts to slip, either he can't keep up or he simply forgets, or RL gets in the way. Then the drama builds, and I know if I had that much pressure behind me I'd want to run and hide too. I'm just glad he makes an effort to come back and continue to create wonderous work, I'd like to give him props for 'getting back into the game' and willingness to make amends.

I admit, if I knew what was going on I would try to be more understanding of his delays, but I don't want to pry into his RL or pressure him any further for being swamped.

If he was here I'd just give hime a big ol' hug, but I'll give it to Alty and maybe she can take it to him when she goes over there to bring us another update. *hugs Alty*

Alty's a friend of Gill and Lush, I think.

Just as Starchasm is Graver's housemate.

I think that about covers that. Next question?

^^ Nope, that about does it. If I A_M is Gill's r/l life friend, then it makes sense that he (or she) would support him.