[ QUOTE ]
TA: far as I know it's not written in stone anywhere that every good artist is an equally good businessman... Jomaro more than likely has 10 times the frustrations I have, since he has 10 times the clients. I cannot defend his actions other than to say buyer beware, artist beware... and pray that both parties come out winning in the end.
I doubt he'd ever want to admit defeat? How much courage did it take to say I'm rebooting and face that he had failed so many, asking again for so many to be patient. True you may have been unwittingly wronged, and communications have evaporated, but now the only course left is... hope.
I went to high school and college with artists, married one and am one... when we're not beating ourselves up for coming this close to perfection with our own work, we're dreaming of creating something even more inspiring, if only we could be inspired.
Again I can only speak for myself... and I know you understand.
LJ
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah i gotcha and i know it must have taken something to come back out and trudge through the legions of people waiting. I really can't relate to that part with the motivation. But i have witnessed it. Also i just wanna quote from the OP:
[ QUOTE ]
I also want to say thank you to Altoholic Monkey, TA, and T!M (Veikira)! You three especially, have been very supportive and true friends to myself and my family.
[/ QUOTE ]
That hasn't changed. I remain ever supportive and a true friend to Joe and his family. I also wrote that i thought he was a great visionary and entrepreneur. I just think all the success came in too big of waves and i have never known Joe to quit on anything. He and i always had a great relationship in the past so when he stopped communicating i was a bit alarmed. It wasn't anything for him to hit me up at 2am his time and chat it up about whatever. Wasn't about art but during the process i'd get an update. Guess what i am trying to say is that there's no need to avoid me but he does so i get more and more worried ya know?
Also i had no clue that there was another move so......news to me. I am ready to just close the book on it all anyways. Not worth stressing over anymore.
[ QUOTE ]
It is very difficult for an artist to constantly be motivated, even when hey are at the top of their game. It is very LONELY work, and while he may have a partner in life, that partner is not "doing" the art along side him. In a perfect world, the artist will continually put out work and never change, never burn out, never want to do work other than what the fans or excuse me clients demand.
I can't speculate on Jomaro, but I can understand that if he's behind, the end doesn't get any closer, no matter how much you want it to... the art has to be done, plain and simple, and that will sometimes sit in limbo for a variety of reasons. My main work stop is my wife, I cannot function if there is something wrong between us... thankfully that is few and far between. Regardless of the reason, motivation is something that can't be turned on at the flip of a switch...
I wish him luck with the monumental task he is undertaking, and to all of the clients, I empathize with your frustration. I have days where I wish my queue would disappear, but "this is the business we have chosen", so I try to re-motivate myself, and hope the guilt will somehow get less and less with each pencil stroke... okay back to work!
LJ
[/ QUOTE ]
No offense, but that kind of self-indulgent dilly-dallying has no place in the professional world. Making someone wait 3 years for work that was paid for is irresponsible. In some states it's criminal. Any of my employees who tried to pull that would be fired without references. Once you take on work for hire, you're no longer an "artiste" but a tradesman -- get the job done or else.
If the wait is too long for your clients (and I would suggest that anything past a couple months is far too long a wait), you do what any responsible, professional adult would do: you stop taking orders until you're caught up and you bust your hump until you *are* caught up. And you deal on a first-come, first-served basis. Just because Client B is willing to pay twice what Client A will shouldn't give them the right to jump the line.
If it takes you 6 weeks to do a piece on average, then communicate that, and don't overextend yourself to the point where people are waiting for you a year later.
That's just common sense and ordinary respect.
The Alt Alphabet ~ OPC: Other People's Characters ~ Terrific Screenshots of Cool ~ Superhero Fiction
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
^^ Nope, that about does it. If I A_M is Gill's r/l life friend, then it makes sense that he (or she) would support him.
[/ QUOTE ]
...so if I wasn't an RL friend, that wouldn't make sense?
The question that bothered me in this line of inquiry is why does anyone need to know what my personal connection/friendship with MMOART is? It isn't anyone's business but my own. A fan posting an updated shouldn't raise any more eyebrows than if I was an RL friend.
Frankly the whole "I'm curious" just smacks of being nosy and while you might not have meant it that way, that's how it came off. Whatever troubles folks are have with MMOART that is something that has to be taken up with the owners. I have no more avenues of communication with them than anyone else. I send emails just like everyone else does.
I'm about the artwork...I post because other folks want to see artwork, in this artwork forum....and that's the bottom line.
[/ QUOTE ]
Call it what you will - it seems like promotion to me.
[ QUOTE ]
New Art from MMOART.com
[ QUOTE ]
Greetings everyone and Happy Holidays! Now that our move and brief 'turkey vacation' are out of the way, we can get back to more artwork! Today we release a massive action scene featuring The Gallant Knights of Divinity vs. Infernal!! And the completed version of CoH's Parzifal, the invincible knight!!
[/ QUOTE ]
[/ QUOTE ]
You consistantly post thier site in your posts.. not just their art.
You want to call me nosey because if I ask if you have a connection?? Alright... I'm nosey.
If someone on here kept posting about Coca Cola .com and directing me to their website... sure, I'd ask if they had a connection to them.
If you want to come here and promote MMOART, that's fine. Just don't be surprised if people ask you questions about them.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
It is very difficult for an artist to constantly be motivated, even when hey are at the top of their game. It is very LONELY work, and while he may have a partner in life, that partner is not "doing" the art along side him. In a perfect world, the artist will continually put out work and never change, never burn out, never want to do work other than what the fans or excuse me clients demand.
I can't speculate on Jomaro, but I can understand that if he's behind, the end doesn't get any closer, no matter how much you want it to... the art has to be done, plain and simple, and that will sometimes sit in limbo for a variety of reasons. My main work stop is my wife, I cannot function if there is something wrong between us... thankfully that is few and far between. Regardless of the reason, motivation is something that can't be turned on at the flip of a switch...
I wish him luck with the monumental task he is undertaking, and to all of the clients, I empathize with your frustration. I have days where I wish my queue would disappear, but "this is the business we have chosen", so I try to re-motivate myself, and hope the guilt will somehow get less and less with each pencil stroke... okay back to work!
LJ
[/ QUOTE ]
No offense, but that kind of self-indulgent dilly-dallying has no place in the professional world. Making someone wait 3 years for work that was paid for is irresponsible. In some states it's criminal. Any of my employees who tried to pull that would be fired without references. Once you take on work for hire, you're no longer an "artiste" but a tradesman -- get the job done or else.
If the wait is too long for your clients (and I would suggest that anything past a couple months is far too long a wait), you do what any responsible, professional adult would do: you stop taking orders until you're caught up and you bust your hump until you *are* caught up. And you deal on a first-come, first-served basis. Just because Client B is willing to pay twice what Client A will shouldn't give them the right to jump the line.
If it takes you 6 weeks to do a piece on average, then communicate that, and don't overextend yourself to the point where people are waiting for you a year later.
That's just common sense and ordinary respect.
[/ QUOTE ]
Ironik's response might be a little cold, but I have to agree. Business is business. While I sympathize with Jomaro's extenuating circumstances, he was paid for the work he was suppose to do. Motivation shouldn't be relevant here. People with non-creative careers also suffer downs where their motivation is pretty low but many still punch in on the time clock and somehow find a way to get their work done whether it's teaching a class, building a house, balancing a 58 million dollar portfolio, or treating patients.
Well I'm not offended, since it doesn't personally concern me. And YES a 3 year wait is ridiculous and absurd. I don't agree with your artist tradesman analogy, there's a difference between a finished piece and conveyor belt crap... look at hotel art for an example.
True it is responsible to realize your flaws, tell clients the truth, and stop taking commissions. Clearly that wasn't done here if 3 years has gone by... (yikes) as for being disrespectful, I can't speculate on that.
I DO think Motivation is a factor, even after making the small dents he has made, he still has to tackle the rest of it. I went to his site last night on a whim, and he posted on the 5th. To me it sounds like the clients want full disclosure on not only his methods but his personal life, is he doing something else instead of working? Does he even have records of what he owes? Where did your money go?
Sure communication would solve all of this... as would iron clad contracts, and I am not trying to defend his actions, or lack of action, only to add to this discussion that I see him being overwhelmed, under motivated (perhaps) and STILL in the same bind he was even after posting these past few months.
I'm gonna bow out now, apologies to anyone I may have offended.
A tradesman is a professional with a high degree of practical and theoretical knowledge in his/her specialty. An artist is a tradesman, regardless of the quality of his/her work. Overwhelmed, undermotivated and in a bind...every professional is going to have to deal with challenges regardless of the industry they're in. No offense, but your argument makes it sound like jomaro should get a free pass because his job title is artist. With all due respect to you and other artists, I don't believe that should be the case. But clearly something isn't going right and those issues should be addressed in a fair manner, especially if the clients involved also consider him a friend.
This is why I refuse to pay more than 25% up front to people I DONT know. Least the last artist I commissioned that turned out to be a flake, refunded me... You guys that have been waiting for years, have grounds for legal action. Some of his stuff costs over a grand, I would refuse to let myself be ripped off in that way.
"Certain it is and sure: love burns, ale burns, fire burns, politics burns, but cold were life without them." - Romulan proverb
My Characters
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
^^ Nope, that about does it. If I A_M is Gill's r/l life friend, then it makes sense that he (or she) would support him.
[/ QUOTE ]
...so if I wasn't an RL friend, that wouldn't make sense?
The question that bothered me in this line of inquiry is why does anyone need to know what my personal connection/friendship with MMOART is? It isn't anyone's business but my own. A fan posting an updated shouldn't raise any more eyebrows than if I was an RL friend.
Frankly the whole "I'm curious" just smacks of being nosy and while you might not have meant it that way, that's how it came off. Whatever troubles folks are have with MMOART that is something that has to be taken up with the owners. I have no more avenues of communication with them than anyone else. I send emails just like everyone else does.
I'm about the artwork...I post because other folks want to see artwork, in this artwork forum....and that's the bottom line.
[/ QUOTE ]
Call it what you will - it seems like promotion to me.
[ QUOTE ]
New Art from MMOART.com
[ QUOTE ]
Greetings everyone and Happy Holidays! Now that our move and brief 'turkey vacation' are out of the way, we can get back to more artwork! Today we release a massive action scene featuring The Gallant Knights of Divinity vs. Infernal!! And the completed version of CoH's Parzifal, the invincible knight!!
[/ QUOTE ]
[/ QUOTE ]
You consistantly post thier site in your posts.. not just their art.
You want to call me nosey because if I ask if you have a connection?? Alright... I'm nosey.
If someone on here kept posting about Coca Cola .com and directing me to their website... sure, I'd ask if they had a connection to them.
If you want to come here and promote MMOART, that's fine. Just don't be surprised if people ask you questions about them.
[/ QUOTE ]
Here's the answer to your question:
[ QUOTE ]
I'm about the artwork...I post because other folks want to see artwork, in this artwork forum....and that's the bottom line.
[/ QUOTE ]
That's all there is to it...
[ QUOTE ]
A tradesman is a professional with a high degree of practical and theoretical knowledge in his/her specialty. An artist is a tradesman, regardless of the quality of his/her work. Overwhelmed, undermotivated and in a bind...every professional is going to have to deal with challenges regardless of the industry they're in. No offense, but your argument makes it sound like jomaro should get a free pass because his job title is artist. With all due respect to you and other artists, I don't believe that should be the case. But clearly something isn't going right and those issues should be addressed in a fair manner, especially if the clients involved also consider him a friend.
[/ QUOTE ]
Respectfully I disagree, I don't consider art to be a trade, or that is to say quality art to be a trade. I consider it to be a specialty. Skill is one thing, competence another, and even with both in 1 artist, there is a difference to me, from a tradesman's approach, which I consider to be devoid of innovation. A tradesman may be inspired to do his job well, professionally because he is paid, but this does not make him an artist.
An artist invents, something from nothing, he may have tools for this, but those tools are indifferent in the hands and mind of a true artist. He creates because it is his passion, and he cannot express himself better in any other format... Put those tools in the hands of a tradesman, and you will get something nice for sure, something beautiful perhaps, but will it be wonderous? Will it be unique? Will it showcase the artist over the medium.
Anyway, I could prattle on all day, but this is a separate discussion to the matter at hand.
As to what you perceive I have said, I do not believe any hired artist here should be given a pass. If the artist has given their word, I believe they should honor it. On the grounds of respect and decency, as well as pride and reputation. I just don't see a solution to Jomaro's problem.
Let's say he contacts each and everyone with a chain letter:
"My apologies, I've made a grave mistake, my work load is too much, I will refund whoever wishes to be refunded, and work as capably as I can on the rest."
He STILL has to do the work, and unless he changes his practice of taking on too much, he will have the problem all over again in 6 months time from clearing what little he can or possibly can.
The damage has been done, and the pace is not helping the situation, unless of course you are next on the queue. Good luck to everyone.
wow ... alot of words here ...
I'm sorry for those that are having problems (if you are) but I still like seeing MMOART's work and am grateful when Alty posts the updates (since I don't always go check the site).
I still think we are talking way too much about this ...
Char Site | My DeviantArt
Global=@Thornster
All I'm concerned with is Jotunn moving up that Queue list. 
In concordance with Bayani and Ironik, all I have said about this situation all along is that good artists don't necessarily make good business owners.
Owning a car doesn't make you a mechanic. Being a talented artist doesn't make you a business person.
But excuses and moves and inconveniences of life happen to all of us, whether we are working from home, a 9-5 or on the road all the time.
If CoH didn't deliver, people would want their money back.
If you place trust in someone and they violate that trust, expect to hear about it, especially if that trust has been healed and rebroken several times.
For every action there is a consequence. Each of us has our own moral code about what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.
For MMOArt, these sorts of threads are a direct consequence of their actions. They aren't victims to this anymore than the rest of us are. They took money .. in some cases quite a lot of it, and in the cases where the promised art has not been produced, they will continue to receive feedback about that.
Buyer and Seller Beware.
[ QUOTE ]
In concordance with Bayani and Ironik, all I have said about this situation all along is that good artists don't necessarily make good business owners.
Owning a car doesn't make you a mechanic. Being a talented artist doesn't make you a business person.
But excuses and moves and inconveniences of life happen to all of us, whether we are working from home, a 9-5 or on the road all the time.
If CoH didn't deliver, people would want their money back.
If you place trust in someone and they violate that trust, expect to hear about it, especially if that trust has been healed and rebroken several times.
For every action there is a consequence. Each of us has our own moral code about what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.
For MMOArt, these sorts of threads are a direct consequence of their actions. They aren't victims to this anymore than the rest of us are. They took money .. in some cases quite a lot of it, and in the cases where the promised art has not been produced, they will continue to receive feedback about that.
Buyer and Seller Beware.
[/ QUOTE ]
Thank you Sassy, for a very clear and reasoned post. I agree with you 100% (and that includes your signature quote about communication). Well said!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
A tradesman is a professional with a high degree of practical and theoretical knowledge in his/her specialty. An artist is a tradesman, regardless of the quality of his/her work. Overwhelmed, undermotivated and in a bind...every professional is going to have to deal with challenges regardless of the industry they're in. No offense, but your argument makes it sound like jomaro should get a free pass because his job title is artist. With all due respect to you and other artists, I don't believe that should be the case. But clearly something isn't going right and those issues should be addressed in a fair manner, especially if the clients involved also consider him a friend.
[/ QUOTE ]
Respectfully I disagree, I don't consider art to be a trade, or that is to say quality art to be a trade. I consider it to be a specialty. Skill is one thing, competence another, and even with both in 1 artist, there is a difference to me, from a tradesman's approach, which I consider to be devoid of innovation. A tradesman may be inspired to do his job well, professionally because he is paid, but this does not make him an artist.
[/ QUOTE ]
If you're starving in a garret and no one depends on you, you can be a self-indulgent "artist." If you're producing work for hire, you're a tradesman.
Jomaro is undeniably talented. But innovative? Hardly. He draws pictures of existing characters. Sure, he does nice work, but then so does my floor guy. Everyone who comes to my house remarks on how beautiful the floors are. Even people who don't have any interest in flooring take notice, because he's amazingly talented. I'd stack anything my floor guy does up against anything MMO Art does.
But if he made me wait for three years after I'd paid him, you can believe the next time we met it would be inside a courtroom. In many jurisdictions, grand theft is considered anything over $500. Some places it's $1000. Take a look at some of those prices MMO Art charges. It's pretty thin ice to skate, and I doubt there are many courts in the country that would excuse such behavior on the grounds of, "but he's an artist."
[ QUOTE ]
An artist invents, something from nothing, he may have tools for this, but those tools are indifferent in the hands and mind of a true artist. He creates because it is his passion, and he cannot express himself better in any other format... Put those tools in the hands of a tradesman, and you will get something nice for sure, something beautiful perhaps, but will it be wonderous? Will it be unique? Will it showcase the artist over the medium.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, well, I'm not impressed by this line of argument.
The Alt Alphabet ~ OPC: Other People's Characters ~ Terrific Screenshots of Cool ~ Superhero Fiction
I just want to chime in on the tradesman vs. artist thing a little.
I don't agree that an artist should be any less responsible for their working if they've agreed to do a piece because they are an ARTIST. Sometimes is is VERY hard to work through a motivational problem... but you can't get a total pass to indefinitely wait for your muse to trumpet from the heavens.
And there are a lot of areas of work where if you give a person with the correct talent and tools, they'll produce things above and beyond. Its not just art. Some people are truly gifted mathmaticians. Some people are incredible surgeons. But if you accept money for your skill, you have to be held to a certain standard. Ain't nobody giving a surgeon a pass to stop a surgery in the middle because he lost his surgical motivations.
Yeah, artists are artists because they can't do anything else. They're not going to be vets or police officers or senators because art picks you; you don't pick art. But I honestly think that's true for other professions as well. I don't think that the fire that lights me up to keep creating is something that can't be experienced by anyone who isn't an artist. The right thing will light the right person up.
Ironik: apologies if it seems you believe I am using the "he's an artist with no motivation" defense. I am not. I am merely pointing out that in his case, lack of motivation may be a factor... not that it is a valid factor, but perhaps it exists and does hinder him, and is one of many reasons he is behind astronomically to the point of litigation! You are correct on all counts, and wow he must be some floor guy...
Sorry to un-impress you, but I believe I am entitled to an opinion as are you, even if we disagree.
Sassy ftw.
Wassy for - the I agree, an artist in my opinion should be even more responsible because there work is their legacy. Surgical motivation? What would that even be... lolol
/looks around and thinks... "hmmm, maybe Gill should swing back in here and start another thread" 
Hello all. I suspect this is going to be a rather lengthy post as there is much to respond to.
First I want to thank Altoholic_Monkey for bringing this thread to my attention last night, as I was totally oblivious to the situation based on the fact that I have received no support emails in regard to some of the concerns here. I also want to thank you Alty for sharing my new pieces here as I totally understand how its easy to get all your information from one source. As for our relationship she hit the nail right on the head it really isnt anyone elses business so if she doesnt feel the need to share personal info with you please respect that.
As for not posting updates on my site over the last month I honestly didnt think what was going on was relevant. I dont treat my splash page as a blog but more a place to post new pieces. However since some people want some word of things I will be happy to share. I feel like some of its kind of personal but hey here goes. I moved as I stated in the last post. This took a few days and you better believe I took a day or 2 off after that. My body was in shambles and I had to recoup. Then a family member called me last min and needed a place to stay and help in regard to local employment. I did quite a bit of driving around and attending to my guest. He was here for 4 days. I then got cracking on The Knights of Divinity piece, and as you can see thats a pretty massive piece. I did lose that piece about halfway through the coloring phase, which is something that hasnt happened in ages, however I am to blame and my wife didnt let me forget it SAVE! SAVE! SAVE!. Thank God I had the pencils! The WOTLK expansion came out for WOW and I must confess I did spend a few days checking out all the new tid bits, and of course rolled a Death Knight, thats still sitting al level 62. I sketched a great deal during that time as well. Right around that time Thanksgiving was upon us and I spent a few days with my family here in Texas, 3 days to be exact. I then got back to work on the Knights of Divinity and also some future roughs, and here we are. So that was basically my month of November and I will do my best to fill you guys in on more details in the future. I cant say I will go into such personal detail but I will do my best.
Thor, first let me say our relationship has been up and down for quite awhile. I find your post here very interesting as you have numerous ways to contact me such as my studio number, both mine and Keishas cell phone number, all of the e-mail addresses listed on my site, and my MySpace account. I havent heard a peep from you in regard to your pieces. So the fact that you went in length on the forums rather than sending that information to me personally leads me to think that you are just attempting to stir up drama. Just to let you know Im really not into drama as it only hampers my creative process and my time, as this letter is proof. Hey but I understand as I know how things can go on forums sometime, so lets get down to the nuts and bolts of this situation and try and get this all behind us.
To my knowledge you have 2 pieces in my queue not 3. The Lord of Valhalla piece and the single character piece I am doing in place of the Priceless piece. As for our history it is very complex due to the fact that a great deal of standard practice was looked over based on our personal relationship. I will chalk that up to lesson learned. You mentioned feeling like you are being passed over for other clients in the queue, but thats strange as I remember many of those late nights when after working 12-15 hour days I would bust out sketches for you. Many of which were pushed to the side due to a new development in your personal life or rolled into the Death Dealer piece I did for you, I do recall gifting half that piece to you also. It was a great deal of work down the drain but hey for a friend right? An unfortunate side effect of all of this was things being done on my personal time not professional time so fitting you in the queue presented quite a challenge. No worries though we will have a solution to this situation by the end of my statement to you.
I recall the last rants of you and Sassy on DA due to the fact that you overextended yourself with many artist and owed money due to some unfortunate real life events. I helped you out and paid that debt for you even though I had nothing to do with it. I paid it because I considered you a friend and I understood your situation. I also didnt like how Rieq blasted you on his webpage. Well this is the second time you have done the very same thing to me and Im sure there have been other times that I am simply not privy to. I have gone out of my way to stay available. I even recall pleading with people here to contact me directly or even through my personal email if they had concerns. Again you never did that. I am sure because I triple checked my emails and I also dont have any voice mails from you. I do apologize that our dealings have resulted in you being bitter. I will do everything I can to remedy this situation, as I am not a crook or thief regardless of what Ironik presumes. I can only assume he has no idea of the statement in our order form that states there may be a significant wait time, but I digress. So T.A. my solution is a simple one. I will issue you a mandatory refund to make you whole. Kiesha will contact you this evening with the details. Hopefully we can move on from there having both created some nice pieces of art together, and also learning valuable lessons in regard to the commission process.
Guys the bottom line is art can be different things for different people. Comparing a custom piece of art to a floor is a stretch from my perspective, but hey if thats more important to some people, who am I to tell them different.
Does real life impact my creativity? Sure it does. I cant really do anything about that as every artist has a process and sometimes it takes longer for some than others. Sure some people can spit it out like a machine and some people it takes months to produce a piece of like caliber. I think it shows in the quality when I work on a piece and dont quite feel like it at the time, but I will admit there is a sought after balance between perfectionism and productivity that I will continue to tweak and work on as I go. I personally know artists who have queues spanning years, I happen to be one of those people. My future solution is simple and its to limit my queue and work at a pace that I am more comfortable. However if you want your piece next day and know an artist that isnt back logged and will produce the quality you desire then by all means patronize them.
As I said above things like this take up a great deal of my time, so please if you have any problems or questions in the future please feel free to contact me at support@mmoart.com.
Just a few more things before I get back to work.
For The_troll here is where I was on your piece before I started on this reply, and now that Im almost done Im going to be all over it. The large portrait will be in the back and his tattoos will be added in the coloring phase.
Troll Pencil
This is a rough for Big Soto he is hard to get in touch with due to his military service, so just waiting for feedback from him on this.
Big SOTO
Thor here is the rough for your piece please consider it a gift, and I will also send you a high resolution copy of the Valhalla pencil as this is probably not a great place to post it
IA Rough
The 2 next pieces I love working on thus fur because hey lets face it I have an affinity for the female figure =D
Tanks
Ms. Frost
Last but not least *Hugz @ Gata_* Thank You =D
More to come soon guys, Peace =)
Joe,
Nice work as always.. I've had my own piece in the queue for sometime.. and for me its all good.. I dont mind the wait.. for me its worth it.. I have some nice art from you already and I'm happy to wait for more.. but I'm gonna make you work your butt off on this last one
As far as the rest of the post.. yeah I've gone thru alot of change the last few years.. so I understand.. but for me I still enjoy the art and I still enjoy the game.. I can't comment on what the rest of you think or feel about mmoart.. I know I've had my own internal fight with the business vs the artist.. as long as at the end of the day I get what I enjoy then I'm happy.
LvL 50's Inv/Em Tank, Katana/Regen Scrapper, Merc/Traps MM, Ninja/Dark MM, Crab
@Torell Guardian, Liberty & Freedom
Torell thanks for appreciating the process and for the kind words. It means alot coming from you man, I'll tell you why. The day I complete your piece is going to be a day in my life I will never forget. The end of what was a beast of a queue. Im literally going to throw the first MMOART bash on that day, and anyone who wants to come is invited. 
Had to edit this to say "Man you've got alot of 50's!"
Yay, my favorite artist is still here
*does a little jig in the corner*
Glad to see you are still here Mr. Kindred, I love your work
Lord Askari lvl 50 Stalker Freedumb
Askari's Wrath lvl 50 Brute Freedom
Ultimate Askari lvl 31 Fort Freedom
Obsidian Magnum lvl 19 Corr Freedom
other lowbies not worth mentioning
My Deviant site
http://lordaskari.deviantart.com/
Dances a jig with Lord_Askari!
Thanks man, and no worries as my fate is sealed. I have MMOART FTW!! tattooed on my tummy like Tupacs ThugLife!
If that's for real, I'd like to know what font you used for the "FTW" part.
I know someone who got FTW tattooed on her ankle in a gothic-type font and everyone's immediate reaction upon seeing it was that it said "Jew" ^.^
[ QUOTE ]
Dances a jig with Lord_Askari!
Thanks man, and no worries as my fate is sealed. I have MMOART FTW!! tattooed on my tummy like Tupacs ThugLife!
[/ QUOTE ]
PICS or it didnt happen
LvL 50's Inv/Em Tank, Katana/Regen Scrapper, Merc/Traps MM, Ninja/Dark MM, Crab
@Torell Guardian, Liberty & Freedom
TA: far as I know it's not written in stone anywhere that every good artist is an equally good businessman... Jomaro more than likely has 10 times the frustrations I have, since he has 10 times the clients. I cannot defend his actions other than to say buyer beware, artist beware... and pray that both parties come out winning in the end.
I doubt he'd ever want to admit defeat? How much courage did it take to say I'm rebooting and face that he had failed so many, asking again for so many to be patient. True you may have been unwittingly wronged, and communications have evaporated, but now the only course left is... hope.
I went to high school and college with artists, married one and am one... when we're not beating ourselves up for coming this close to perfection with our own work, we're dreaming of creating something even more inspiring, if only we could be inspired.
Again I can only speak for myself... and I know you understand.
LJ