M3z is amazing and so can you! Dominator PvP Q & A

NefariousB · 07-21-2008 12:48 AM

i think it replaces, i haven't used it in a while but pretty sure thats how it worked. the thing sucks though, low damage, high end, have to keep resummoning, pretty much the only good thing is that it scourges

Boomie · 07-21-2008 12:54 AM

Yeah it just replaces the old one. I only summon it for PvP or EB/AV fights for the extra dmg.

Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE

-- _Ilr_

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IcyKiri · 07-21-2008 06:38 AM

I like my voltaic sentinal for PvP. Its untargetable/unkillable, scourges, and drains approx 8 end per blast at 10 shots per lifespan thats around 50% end that it drains (taking end recovery into consideration).. its not thaaat bad..

And I can confirm, you can not summon two, it just replaces the old one.

-Kiri

Cynergyspyke · 07-21-2008 06:40 AM

it would rock if you could, any permadom build would have 3 out at a time and that would a true replacement for a tier 3 blast...

Tubby · 07-21-2008 06:58 AM

Sentinel also scourges for Doms as well. so there's that too.

Cynergyspyke · 07-21-2008 07:24 AM

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Sentinel also scourges for Doms as well. so there's that too.

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I'll be impressed when it does it on my blaster

Frosticus · 07-21-2008 08:50 AM

does it pick up player damage buffs? ie hit harder when cast from domination and/or for 9 seconds when used with bu?

77element_fist · 07-21-2008 11:48 AM

hmm I have the choice between the sentinel and an immob that can proc a hold, i'll have to think on it

NefariousB · 07-21-2008 01:51 PM

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hmm I have the choice between the sentinel and an immob that can proc a hold, i'll have to think on it

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which did you decide to make, fire or ice elec

[ QUOTE ]
does it pick up player damage buffs? ie hit harder when cast from domination and/or for 9 seconds when used with bu?

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Again I remember it being no but that was a while ago so don't trust me

77element_fist · 07-21-2008 03:49 PM

fire/elec

77element_fist · 07-22-2008 10:05 PM

here's the build I drafted, looking for any mistakes I may have made
edit: looking for build critique basically

this build is for duels and small teams arena

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.4006
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Darkrain: Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Electricity Assault
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Char -- G'Wdw-Dam%:30(A), UbrkCons-Dam%:50(3), UbrkCons-Hold:50(3), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg:50(5), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg:50(5), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg:50(7)
Level 1: Charged Bolts -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:50(11), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13)
Level 2: Charged Brawl -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(17), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(17), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(19)
Level 4: Lightning Bolt -- Apoc-Dam%:50(A), Apoc-Dmg:50(7), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(11)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A), Jump-I:50(15)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(13), RechRdx-I:50(15)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Super Speed -- Clrty-EndRdx:50(A), Clrty-RunSpd:50(29), Clrty-Stlth:50(34)
Level 18: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(27), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(27), Numna-Heal:50(29), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(50), Numna-Heal/Rchg:50(50)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(21)
Level 22: Build Up -- AdjTgt-Rchg:21(A), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), AdjTgt-ToHit:50(23), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(25), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(25)
Level 24: Havoc Punch -- Hectmb-Dam%:50(A), Hectmb-Dmg:50(40), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(40), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(40), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(43), Mako-Dam%:40(50)
Level 26: Zapp -- Mantic-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Mantic-Acc/Dmg:50(34), Mantic-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34), Mantic-Acc/ActRdx/Rng:50(37), Mantic-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg:50(39)
Level 28: Ring of Fire -- GravAnch-Hold%:50(A), GravAnch-Immob:50(45), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg:50(46), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(46), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg:50(46)
Level 30: Tactics -- AdjTgt-ToHit:50(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx:50(31), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(33)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg:40(A), EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(33), EdctM'r-Dmg:40(33), EdctM'r-Acc/EndRdx:40(42)
Level 35: Thunder Strike -- Armgdn-Dam%:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg:50(36), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(37), Sciroc-Dam%:50(37)
Level 38: Voltaic Sentinel -- S'bndAl-Build%:50(A), S'bndAl-Dmg:50(39), S'bndAl-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 41: Power Sink -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod:50(42), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(42), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(43), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(43)
Level 44: Charged Armor -- TtmC'tng-EndRdx:50(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam:50(45), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 47: Summon Guardian -- S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Heal-I:50(48)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
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Krouget1 · 07-23-2008 06:19 AM

Looks very close to my current build, actually.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php

War: Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Assault
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Char -- UbrkCons-Hold:50(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg:50(3), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg:50(3), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg:50(5), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold:50(5)
Level 1: Charged Bolts -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:53(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx:53(11), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg:53(11), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:53(13), Apoc-Dam%:50(13)
Level 2: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:53(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:53(15), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:53(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:53(17)
Level 4: Lightning Bolt -- Apoc-Dmg:50(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(7), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(7), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(9), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(9)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A), Jump-I:50(50)
Level 10: Havoc Punch -- Hectmb-Dmg:50(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(19), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(21), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(21)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(37), RechRdx-I:50(37)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit:50(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(17), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), AdjTgt-Rchg:50(34), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:53(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(23), Numna-Heal:53(29), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:53(29), Mrcl-Heal:40(34), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(40), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(40), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(43), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(43)
Level 22: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Clrty-EndRdx:53(A), Clrty-RunSpd:53(25), Clrty-Stlth:53(25)
Level 26: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(27), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(27)
Level 28: Ring of Fire -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:53(A), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:53(45), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx:53(50)
Level 30: Zapp -- Mantic-Acc/Dmg:53(A), Mantic-Dmg/EndRdx:53(31), Mantic-Acc/ActRdx/Rng:53(31), Mantic-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg:53(31), Mantic-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:53(33)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg:50(A), S'bndAl-Dmg:50(33), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33)
Level 35: Thunder Strike -- Armgdn-Dmg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 38: Voltaic Sentinel -- S'bndAl-Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), S'bndAl-Build%:50(39), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg:50(39)
Level 41: Charged Armor -- ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx:30(A), ImpSkn-ResDam/Rchg:30(42), ImpSkn-EndRdx/Rchg:30(42), ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:30(42), ImpSkn-Status:30(43)
Level 44: Power Sink -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(45), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(45), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(46), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(46), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 47: Summon Mu Guardian -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(48), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg:50(48), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(48), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(50)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A)
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Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
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77element_fist · 07-23-2008 08:01 AM

that helped alot with the pet slotting, that's where I was having the most trouble

black_barrier · 07-23-2008 08:14 AM

hmm... im not taking thunderstrike on mine until they tag it as a toggle dropper.

the dpa is crap compared to pretty much all other elec attacks. and my recharge should be enough to chain charged brawl, char and havoc punch together.

NefariousB · 07-23-2008 11:02 AM

I personally found it too painful to get to domination while getting knocked around. It's not a huge sacrifice to put a kb io in your shield and combat, manuevers, tactics, but it makes a very nice difference.

Facing a rad/psi for example, if you get knocked you're gonna die pretty damn fast. Even if you do FoN+snipe it doesn't build -that- fast that they can't get an attack off before you have dom.

Also m3z check my vid son:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q14jy7wMmkg

Krouget1 · 07-23-2008 12:09 PM

I can tolerate the KB from TKB, given 2 bfs (-5 each), or if TKB is slotted, I have the hp + Mu pet to deal with incoming damage (though rad/psi still carries the advantage).

More rough, is a skilled blaster, rushing with a slotted up power thrust + followup.

IcyKiri · 07-23-2008 12:23 PM

[ QUOTE ]
hmm... im not taking thunderstrike on mine until they tag it as a toggle dropper.

the dpa is crap compared to pretty much all other elec attacks. and my recharge should be enough to chain charged brawl, char and havoc punch together.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've found on my Ice/Elec that Thunder Strike is a nice finisher if someone pops a bf and tries to run, I also joust with TS if I have dom up, it has a decent stun that appears to be boosted by Domination.

I personally like the big hitter, it can deal some pretty sick damage, what are you taking instead? I hear lightning bolt is pretty good, does decent damage, and I could get a nice recharge boost from a deci set i suppose. Anyone else have feelings about the LB power?

-Kiri

77element_fist · 07-23-2008 01:44 PM

i'm not worried about getting killed while being KBd, I may be KB'd once or twice before I get domination off but that would probably be it. I can't afford to take slots away from other stuff for KB protection, my defense is my offense.

black_barrier · 07-23-2008 01:48 PM

taking the second immob.

immob'd target = target being chomped at by my imps.

IcyKiri · 07-23-2008 01:55 PM

do you ever get frustrated with your mu healing your Imps instead of you? My god, I had to stop summoning Jack because my Mu kept healing him in duels, as soon as I dropped Jack for voltaic sentinal (untargetable) my survivability went through the roof.

I wonder if that is a bug...

-Kiri

Cynergyspyke · 07-23-2008 01:59 PM

i'm getting all three pets... eventually.

NefariousB · 07-23-2008 03:05 PM

It's not a bug. Most people don't bother attacking jack, just hold/stun him, so I never noticed it. In pve its much worse trying to farm with my fire/psi.

77element_fist · 07-25-2008 08:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
This is, roughly, the effect:

Current:
Ice Sword (@level 50)
Unslotted, normal mode: 26.7 Lethal + 42 Cold Damage
Unslotted, Domination mode: 46.7 Lethal + 73 Cold Damage
Capped, normal or domination mode: 106.8 Lethal + 166.8 Cold Damage

Proposed
Unslotted, domination mode: 26.7 Lethal + 42 Cold Damage
Unslotted, normal mode: 53.4 Lethal + 84 Cold Damage
Capped, domination mode: 106.8 Lethal + 166.8 Cold Damage
Capped, normal mode: 213.6 Lethal + 333.7 Cold Damage

As you can see, you do far more damage in "normal" mode under the proposed system, then you do in the current Domination mode. The trade off is, if you want Control, you use domination mode, if you want lots of damage, you leave Domination inactive.

Obviously, lot's of tweaks on the exact values would need to be made...and, of course, I have to convince the other guys that this is the right way to go (I'm not entirely convinced myself, and I know there are several other options to consider.)

EDIT: Standardizing the Duration comment: Right now, in Domination, half of your Mag is one duration, and the other half is that duration +50%. I'd standardize it so the entire mag was 150% while in Domination mode.

[/ QUOTE ] if this change were to go in effect, how do you think it would change the dom metagame in zone, dueling, and team pvp? And how do you think it will make dominators better or worse?

i'll write something up later

edit: only reason I moved this here is because any discussion of pvp in the other thread seems to be shunned by internet tough guy pvers

Vice_Virtuoso · 07-25-2008 08:14 PM

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only reason I moved this here is because any discussion of pvp in the other thread seems to be shunned by internet tough guy pvers

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CoX, where the PvEers throw more insults than the PvPers.

Also, that change sounds like it'll turn Doms into the new Khelds, unless they make Domination a no-animation quick-recharge toggle.

Talen Lee · 07-25-2008 08:18 PM

being fair, the whole thread is retarded.

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