Discussion: Full Powerset Proliferation Revealed

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Cold Domination for Defenders makes me weep. I hate, hate, hate being covered by those awful ice shields, and now I can't even hide from them on the hero side.

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Kid Lazarus, 50 empath Defender
Freek, 50 mind/psi Dominator
Black Khopesh, 43 db/wp Scrapper
Circuit-Boy, 40 elec Brute
Graf von Eisenfaust, 38 db/wp Brute
Blue Banshee, 35 sonic Blaster
Blood Countess, 33 mind/storm Controller
Dr. Radon, 32 rad Corruptor
Phantom Pirate, 32 db/wp Stalker

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I want that new blaster! lol and a [u]Blood Window[u] maybe Fire/Fiore controller, or, or ice/ice defender! Not should what I am going to tryu first

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So you can see the world through rose colored glasses?

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If you like certain powersets being ported over, more power to you. however i'm looking at what all AT's get, that's what pvpers do. Large part of being proficient in the arena or zone for that matter is being aware of the capabilities/holes of every powerset/AT you may run into.

With that said, BaB stated that the first powersets being ported over were going to be the ones capable of being directly ported, meaning that psi blast is 99% chance going to be identical to the defender version. All signs are pointing toward a direct port, so I don't believe anyone is jumping the gun. PvPers are stating what WILL happen if you give the set to blasters who enjoy their damage mod + build up + boost range. Good luck finding anything in pvp zones other than stealth capped stalkers, because I don't think most players will enjoy getting 2-3 shotted by emp'd psi blasters. While the 'serious pvpers' aren't the biggest group in the game, there are a lot of casual pvpers who frequent the zones and this potentially hurts them.

About your friend, well that's understandable, but we differ in our philosophies. My ingame friends I'm sure can handle themselves on an internet forum, most of them have heard much worse from the anti-PvP / anti-Freedom crowd.

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well at least it's obivous that you guys hate the villains now.

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You know after reading this entire thread, and several others, I have to say something:

Villains-only players are the biggest bunch of crybabies I have seen in ANY game forum. If the developers truly hated villains, they would not make sure that the issues had stuff that both "sides" could use. They don't need to.

They could stop all development of everything red side and devote 100% of their resources blue side, but they do not.

Worse, all these calls of "Devs hate CoV" come before a single player has seen Issue 12 as the game is still not even to the closed beta stage.

Whine moar.

The developers might not hate self proclaimed "CoV-Only" players, but after putting up with all the whining in the last 3-4 free issues, I would not blame them one bit.

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The devs stopping all developement on villian side and devoting 100% of their time to hero side makes a hell of alot of sense considering the hero side already had a one year head start on the villian side.

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You do know the phrase "you don't know what you've got till it is gone", right?

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As far as Villian-only players being crybabies, please devote some time to red side before you make any profoundly, baseless comments.

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Can I laugh at your assumptions about me now?
Level 50 Ninja/Ninjitsu/Ghost Widow Stalker, over 600 hours.
Level 40 Bots/Dark Master Mind. Haven't checked but I'll assume somewhere over 400.
Several 20+ villains of various.
Ah, heck, check out my character list (with levels).

If it were not for forum rules against calling someone out, I could name several posters that seem to have a such a huge martyr complex that nothing will dissuade them that the developers hate them, or that they are playing the same code that heroes are.

Take the introduction of the Statesman TF, for instance. Several of the CoV-only people in this thread threatened to quit because the Arachnos Flier was included in it.

Yes, heroes have had a year more development. villains will never "catch up" so are you going to continue to whine that the developers hate you?

I am willing to guess that the amount of work that went into the VEATs alone is more than adding 1-2 new zones to CoV. Especially seeing that instead of 2 EATs with the single storyline past level 10 that the heroes get, I would guess thanks to the branching storyline that there would be far more done for the VEATs.

Simply put: Get. Over. It.

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Have you spent any time doing mayhems opposed to safeguards?

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I much prefer mayhems as opposed to safeguards, thank you.

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Have you pitted your villians in PvP against hero ATs that have higher Damage mods, more health and better buffs?

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I personally think that PVP sucks, but then again I mainly badge hunt.

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Have you suffered through the same 7 dinky maps, when the heros have 3 times that many, and witness Issue after issue new maps come out that are for both villians and heros but never any new maps that are for villians only?

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Villains do not need more zones. Heroes need less. Seriously most of the hero zones are completely under used ghost towns. I would prefer a smaller amount of used zones over a larger amount of ghost towns.

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I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but please dont come spouting worthless blather about all the villian-only players being cry-babies when you obviously dont know what they have gone through in the context of new content being released.

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I didn't say that ALL villain only players are crybabies.

Also, who is making the assumption here, you or me? I have 5 villains that have been played since (including the level 50 Stalker) December 25th, 2005 (Christmas present, DVD edition), less than two months after Issue 6.

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lol for your information, I play heroes also. My guess, is much like many others posting here, you spend zero time playing on the villain side. It's obvious enough that the heroes clearly got the better end of this deal, by a long shot.

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Wrong guess. See my post above, or just look at my character list.

Hmm, lets see. Heroes get 5 new primary powersets, 5 new secondary powersets. Villians got 5 new primary powersets, 5 new secondary powersets. Looks like equal treatment here. That you didn't get what you wanted is no one's fault but your expectations. Not the developers, not me.

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spend some time on the villain side and let me know what you think, but you probably won't. you and the rest of those city scoop are too busy being fanboys 'ohhh the devs can do no wrong', keep thinking that. lol.

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Fanboy? Yes, I like the game. I have also publically pointed out where the Developers (Statesman, Positron[several times]) and NCsoft (Including Lighthouse) have messed up. Publically, on these very forums. You should not make accusations without checking your facts first.

We have several CoV-mainly players on the Scoop, including a few that play CoV only. The thing is that they don't seem to have this martyr complex.

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For the rest, hey, I apologize for wanting balance between both factions, which would make the entire CoH/CoV game better than ever.

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There is balance, but people seem to want to gaze at their navel more than see that the developers are working to make both sides the best single game (and it is one game) the best they can.

Is CoV perfect, no. It needs more Strike Forces, for starters. The current strike forces are much better than some of the task forces.

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First of all, don't speak to him like that. Second of all, does that make you feel like a big boy talking to him like that and calling him a fan-boy? Does that win your argument? Know what babies (real babies, not whiny game players) do when they don't get their way? First they cry... then they throw a temper tantrum and lash out. Guess you're done with the crying part...

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Just a minor correction.

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Okay, I usually dont even read forums, so I can avoid doing stuff like getting exasperated at people enough to finally register and say somethign like:

Okay, I know some people didnt get exactly what powersets they wanted for the ATs they wanted.... but really they are new powersets! I would have liked to see scrappers get super strength or masterminds getting revamped illusions primary (or at least another secondary), yes.. but I'm not going to moan about them making the 'wrong choice'. Many of you are not providing useful feedback, and just being big babies that got the wrong flavour of sucker.

Its still candy. Yum. I look forward to all the new combinations that these powersets have to offer, and I trust the dev's motivations behind thier choices.

Thank you very much for this, dev's. No matter what some people say, this is pure awesome.

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First of all, don't speak to him like that. Second of all, does that make you feel like a big boy talking to him like that and calling him a fan-boy? Does that win your argument? Know what babies (real babies, not whiny game players) do when they don't get their way? First they cry... then they throw a temper tantrum and lash out. Guess you're done with the crying part...

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Just a minor correction.

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oh snap lightning, i bet you're choking on the listerine now

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Nice, you can't seem to be civil to anyone. Some advice: Leave the forums and the game for a few days. Enjoy some fresh air.

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Also I see you have no response to having your guesses proved wrong.

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First of all, don't speak to him like that. Second of all, does that make you feel like a big boy talking to him like that and calling him a fan-boy? Does that win your argument? Know what babies (real babies, not whiny game players) do when they don't get their way? First they cry... then they throw a temper tantrum and lash out. Guess you're done with the crying part...

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Just a minor correction.

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oh snap lightning, i bet you're choking on the listerine now

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So is lightning his IRL boyfriend or something?

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Unofficial Brownnoser of PWNZ

I kiss the Devs [censored]! -Perfect_Pain

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Judging by this first round of proliferation, I'm almost scared to see how badly Red is gonna get it in the second and third rounds.

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Good grief. To hear people on the thread tell it, the developers couldn't have chosen more poorly! How can it be worse next time? What powersets could they proliferate that would actually be worse?

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Oh it can always get worse....we haven't even seen the VEATs yet.

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So is lightning his IRL boyfriend or something?

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Would lightning have called me female if he knew me in real life? Please think things through before posting.

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As a reminder of the scope of Powerset Proliferation, it was to port existing powersets, not to create new ones. While some people consider the Blaster Psi secondary to be a new one, it's not - it's pretty much Dom Psi moved over (with balance tweaking).

EDIT: and it's not as crazy as some are making it out to be. Please wait to see it in beta before you go off the deep end, thanks!

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Psychic Blast and the Dominator Psychic Assault set have a LOT of overlapping powers. There's Subdue, Mental Blast, Psychic Scream, and Psionic Lance, and Psychic Shockwave is pretty redundant with Psychic Wail. How can is basically be Dom Psi moved over?

I mean, figure one of two of them will be removed for buffs like Build Up and possible something like Power Boost. Maybe remove one of the blasts from the primary (my guess is Subdue, then move a few other powers to an earlier tier) for Aim?

However, that still leaves a few spaces that need to be filled in; are you going to be putting some more controlling powers in those slots? Have these not been decided upon yet? I'm really confused as to how they can be basically the same set.

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Well, it seems you guessed wrong also. You threw numerous blanket statements at villain-only players, while quoting my post (which I'd assume is responding to me). Villains received 9 new powersets, getting storm twice = 1 power. Yes, I know you're going to say 2 different AT's but I'm looking at villain power choices as a whole, and as a whole, we got less.

Masterminds also without a new primary, so nice to see that the one AT that couldn't get a direct port from the hero side wasn't the one that recieved the 'original' new set, but they were kind enough to spend that effort on blasters instead, who already have a plethora of good secondaries to choose from.

You're delusional if you think there is anything close to balance between CoH and CoV.

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So is lightning his IRL boyfriend or something?

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Would lightning have called me female if he knew me in real life? Please think things through before posting.

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Not really, I simply doubt you are a female. Sure you can "FEEL" like a girl on the inside, but still...

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Unofficial Brownnoser of PWNZ

I kiss the Devs [censored]! -Perfect_Pain

This is for scrappers!

Personally I could give a darn about fire melee. I was really hoping for energy melee with this Power Proliferation happening. Scrappers are the only melee damage dealers that do not have this powers set. Come on Devs, give us a break. Fire Melee is by far the worse one you could of given us. Let alone Fiery Aura.
Energy Aura or Electric Armor would have been by far better options. I just hope down the road you decide to give us these options.

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Nice, you can't seem to be civil to anyone. Some advice: Leave the forums and the game for a few days. Enjoy some fresh air.

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Also I see you have no response to having your guesses proved wrong.

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So, the person who jumps at me on the offensive to start things off, says I'm not the one being civil? Try following your own advice for a change.

By the way my little comment at ball lightning was more a joke than anything to lighten the mood somewhat.

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This is for scrappers!

Personally I could give a darn about fire melee. I was really hoping for energy melee with this Power Proliferation happening. Scrappers are the only melee damage dealers that do not have this powers set. Come on Devs, give us a break. Fire Melee is by far the worse one you could of given us. Let alone Fiery Aura.
Energy Aura or Electric Armor would have been by far better options. I just hope down the road you decide to give us these options.

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Was Fire Melee the more popular choice among the Scappers?

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Unofficial Brownnoser of PWNZ

I kiss the Devs [censored]! -Perfect_Pain

ninjitsu scrappers would have been cool, theme wise also fits well

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ninjitsu scrappers would have been cool, theme wise also fits well

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Not a bad idea. I think they'd look great with a katana.

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Unofficial Brownnoser of PWNZ

I kiss the Devs [censored]! -Perfect_Pain

Man, if I had a nickel for everytime scrappers wanted Energy Melee, I'd be rich. Seriously, I would.

Frankly, I have to honestly ask, out of all the people here, are all of you just looking for easymode on your games? Seriously. While /Kin would be nice, god knows it'd be overpowered; I absolutely destroy the PvE game with /dark alone on a Mastermind.

Which is exactly what it seems many people want to do. Frankly, though, I think they could've gone with Ninjitsu Scrappers and given the Dev's AT the snack they hunger for.

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[i]I don't believe there is honor in letting yourself be killed, if you can run, then run damnit.[/i]
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-Hobo_Healer

Guardian
Aleksander - 50 Energy/Electric/Elec Blaster
Talynn Black - 50 Energy/Energy/Soul Stalker

Virtue
Talynn Black - 24 Warshade

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Well, it seems you guessed wrong also. You threw numerous blanket statements at villain-only players, while quoting my post (which I'd assume is responding to me).

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Blanket statement [edit] because of [/edit] several small quote pyramids made from your quote.

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Villains received 9 new powersets, getting storm twice = 1 power. Yes, I know you're going to say 2 different AT's but I'm looking at villain power choices as a whole, and as a whole, we got less.

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Each AT except Brutes and MMs got 1 new primary and 1 new secondary.

Brutes got 2 new primaries, while MMs got none. There is no hero powerset that can be ported over to the MM primary.

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Masterminds also without a new primary, so nice to see that the one AT that couldn't get a direct port from the hero side wasn't the one that recieved the 'original' new set, but they were kind enough to spend that effort on blasters instead, who already have a plethora of good secondaries to choose from.

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Blasters didn't get a new powerset. It is a dominator powerset (see this paragonwiki page).

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You're delusional if you think there is anything close to balance between CoH and CoV.

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I think you are a blow-hard that doesn't know the first thing he's (assumed gender) talking about. I guess we are even.

You say that I shouldn't comment on CoV until I've played more of it. I know for a fact that you have not played Issue 12 (you are not a red name, so you don't work for NCsoft), so don't you think you should shut up and quit whining about it until you played it?

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Villains as a whole, get 9 'new' sets that villains can use. Storm can be used by 2 different AT's, but it's still one powerset ported to villains. Judging by your logic, if we add a powerpool set available (with 4 powers like all other pool powersets) to all AT's, we would be getting 44 new available powers. Sorry, but most people don't see it that way.

I highly doubt the blasters will be getting a port from the dominator psi assault set, it wouldn't make sense. Mental blast, psi scream, subdue, psi lance in a secondary? right, lol. It's not going to be a direct port from psi assault, no way considering some of the power choices will be redundant with psi blast.

lol if you think i don't know what I'm talking about. We can meet in the arena anytime buddy, care to test your game knowledge and experience in a 10 minute match?

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lol for your information, I play heroes also. My guess, is much like many others posting here, you spend zero time playing on the villain side. It's obvious enough that the heroes clearly got the better end of this deal, by a long shot.

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Personally, I play villain side a lot and I haven't seen this problem everyone is talking about. I have a lot of fun playing my villains. I should point out that I'm not a PvPer or a min/maxer. Is that why I'm not noticing it?

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lol for your information, I play heroes also. My guess, is much like many others posting here, you spend zero time playing on the villain side. It's obvious enough that the heroes clearly got the better end of this deal, by a long shot.

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Personally, I play villain side a lot and I haven't seen this problem everyone is talking about. I have a lot of fun playing my villains. I should point out that I'm not a PvPer or a min/maxer. Is that why I'm not noticing it?

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Correct. You will see the difference in power if you do decide to step into a pvp zone, or arena in the future however.

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