ATI Issues and Settings Recommendations

Have it. Have used it. It failed to remove the drivers as well. Really, it's the damnest thing.

Fortunately my trusty, rusty 9.2s seem to be holding up well. Except now that the application is controlling the AA apparantly I crash alt-tabbing... that *is* problematic.

Billz, this thread did me so much good over the years and I'm not sure if I've posted in here to thank you before, but I'm thanking you now regardless. So glad to see the water quality issue gone along with all the other long standing issues! No longer do I need to feel disappointed that I went for an ATI card when my main game was CoH.

Now...

Last time I updated my drivers (9.12) for my 3850HD AGP it was a bit of a nightmare.
I think it was mostly due to some problem with the AGP interface/support and I had to use someone's custom modified file in order to have it finally work (Dumpleberry, could this be your issue?)

So, I'm just asking you far more knowledgeable helpful blokes if these latest drivers will work with the AGP models and/or if there's anything else I should know (Besides that I should get a new motherboard and get a PCIE card, etc).
My quick bit of searching hasn't led me to any news or information about the AGP models and these drivers... Which could be good news as well.

EK, Dumpleberry, did yall see this link when trying to get your drivers directly from ati.amd.com?

For graphics cards, I noticed the Series 3XXX AGP and it links to this page:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...AGPHotfix.aspx

I'm currently yanking the 10.4s so that I can test Mercy with the 10.3s. Meh. No change at all that I see. Mercy performance still horrific. By horrific I mean 30FPS at cranked settings.

According to the Ocho8's link to the amd site, the most recent driver available for my card (Radeon 9250) is the 6.2 version; this doesn't seem like it can be right. Any pointers?

Well, updating with the regular 10.4 suite did not work (very familiar results for some of us ATI [perhaps only the AGP crowd] users).
Following the steps of Removing all ATI and CCC applications and drivers then rebooting in safe mode and running Drive Cleaner (And the Cab Cleaner Tool before running the actual drive cleaner), then rebooting and installing the 10.4 Drivers resulted in the Catalyst Control Center simply not starting up (Basically it did not install) when clicking to open it up.

So, I wiped everything again and followed all of the same steps, but this time installed the 10.4 Hotfix suite for AGP cards having issues...
And... I am rebooting it now and waiting to see what the results are...

And, woohoo, success!
CCC is there and functioning.
Yay, that went easily.

Dumpleberry... save a restore point and then give it a shot.

Download Driver Cleaner Pro
Disconnect your computer from the internet and leave it disconnected.
Then use add/remove programs to remove each and every ATI and Catalyst Control Center program.
Then even go and manually delete any ATI files you can find (Check your ATI Technologies folder and anything else in the Program Files folder).
Empty the recycling bin.
Restart into Safe Mode (F8 while rebooting).
Cancel out of the hardware auto install.
Open Driver Cleaner Pro's read me and follow the steps (Or just follow these steps, as they are the same).
Run Driver Cleaner Pro... Select Tools and run the Cab Cleaner.
Let is clean and then when it is done, close it.
Add every ATI and CCC option in the Driver Cleaner Pro filters and run the cleaner.
Empty the recycling bin.
Restart the computer (Still with no internet... windows will be pesky and possibly install the drivers it thinks you want otherwise... I didn't make this up, so if it is false, don't blame me... it's simple enough to stay offline when doing this, so why not).
Run the 10.4 Installer (The regular suite did not work for me, but the hotfix one that BZB linked to did). I chose to do the custom install, even though I allowed all the default options to be installed anyway.
After it is finished, restart the computer...
And... hopefully... you will have a nice new updated CCC installed!

Feel free to connect to the internet and have some fun!

I hope this helps.
I know I've gone mad over hours and hours and hours of uninstalling and installing and it not working before I followed these steps and used driver cleaner pro. Even still... without the modified 9.12 suite that some other user created for AGP cards... it wouldn't have worked back then. And, seemingly, it wouldn't have worked for me this time around without using that hotfix install (Although, it may have just been that I didn't eliminate each and every ATI file the first time around... I was a bit more thorough the second time around, so that could have been the real reason... I am not going to experiment to find out right now, hehe).


Thank you very much BZB!

Now let's see if the CoH crashing stops for me...


EDIT: Oh shoot... Just realized Dumpleberry isn't using the 3800 like me... Hrm, well, the steps should still work, not sure about which driver file you would need though. I hope this helps any other AGP ATI user though!

And it seems as though I needed to disable the Hotkey Poller once again (Thank you very much Dumpleberry and others who helped solve that back in beta).

Just figured I'd mention that, as the input delay reared its ugly head once I got to the log in screen.

Alrighty guys, I'm running a Radeon HD 4870, with the 10.4 drivers, Win XP pro SP3, and 4 gigs of ram (limited to 3.25 due to XP)

I just got CCC working with the 10.4 (had to uninstall the 10.3 drivers, CCleaner, reboot, and reinstall the 10.4)

I'm wondering what the best settings would be to get the most out of my system, without dragging my FPS into the dirt.

Any help would be great

Hey! I just got my new computer upgrade and have been playing around with graphics settings ALL day. phew, i'm getting tired. Anyways this is what I've got.

Intel Core-i7 920
6GB Corsair 1333mhz ddr3
Asus P6T X58
XFX Radeon HD 5970 Black Edition
1TB WD Caviar Black Hard Drive
850W PW
Windows 7 Professional

Catalyst 10.4

Anyways, I've been tinkering with setting all day like I said. I was having some serious problems with FSAA of any sort in the game. I have the settings in Ultra mode and everything turned up to the Maximum Settings. After a bunch of research I figured out that in order to use FSAA all I had to do was disable "Advanced Occlusion Settings" I cranked up FSAA to 8x and all was good.

Oh, yeah, running it 1920x1080 on my 50" plasma via hdmi port.

Anyways, I've got a quick question about frame rates. With my setup and the in game settings, i'm only getting around 30-40fps. Peaks at around 50, low is around 22. Anyways, I thought that was kinda low for what I'm running.

My nifty little program called techpower up gpu-z, reports to me in the log that I am only using 65-70% of my gpu cycles and only 20% of the CPU. Now don't get me wrong, but with those numbers wouldn't you think the fps could go higher?

I almost think that the FPS meter is lying to me. because when I am thick into some graphics and I drop below 30 fps, I don't notice the change. usually when frames start falling bellow 30 and closer to 20 I can definitely start seeing frames skipping, but in this case I don't. It's smooth as can be at 22fps. hmm...

What do yas think?

These settings will have to be updated since the release of issue 17.

Card: Visiontek ATI Radeon x1550 PCI Card (Note: PCI) Drivers Latest as of this date: 10.2 legacy, OS: XP, 3.2 ghz, supports 3.0 shaders.

The problems for me with the new graphics in issue 17 is of course the shaders.

With the new shader settings defaulting to shadow stencil for me I have lost all shading in the game.

I am referring to the daytime and nightime lighting where the shadows of the trees, building, etc move across the ground as the sun and moon set and rise. Object shading.

I have tried changing the new settings to shadow maps and the lowest setting allowed and the lag is so bad it is unplayable. It enables that type of shading and more but runs poorly on my system. Unplayable.

One thing in that setting there is more shading that I notice now. For instance, the tram car rails now show as moving shadows on the ground and the substation towers also show shadows on the ground.

But I can only use the shadow stencil.

With this in mind I of course do not like the newer graphic engine changes for that very reason of losing my object shading. Unless it can be adjusted somehow.

It is a shame we can not go back to the older graphics set-up if we wanted.

Sometime this weekend I'll get a replacement thread put up.

Quick and dirty changes for now:

In CCC set both FSAA and Anisotropic Filtering to Let Application Decide. Manage them in game.

Disable all Occlusion as it isn't playing nicely with FSAA.

And really.. that's it. I was able to turn some Ultra mode item on with my old X800XT in my workstation, but performance took a dirt nap. There's a lot of threads floating around discussing what cards can handle what, and I'll try to consolidate some of that info in the new post.

I like the look of AO too much to disable it for AA. Don't get me wrong, I DO miss AA very much, but I can live without it for a (hopefully!) short while until I can use it again, especially since AO is the new shiny I haven't grown tired of yet.

Here's my stuff for reference:

i7-920 @ 3.17 (I'd push it higher but having IOH overheating issues.)
6 GB Tri-Channel RAM (Don't have the speeds handy ATM)
300gb Velociraptor(which is what I run the OS and COH from, I have other drives too)
ATI 5850 1GB (Can't remember the brand)
Win7 Pro 64 bit
10.4 drivers

Running CoH at 1920x1080 fullscreen, Vsync on. With everything at ultra except AO (Which I have at Strong With Bleed/Quality/Trilateral) at World Detail 200% I get mostly smooth frames.

Of course I tend to use vis_scale 4... I've since had to scale back slightly to vis_scale 3.5. (Yes, that .5 DOES make a large difference in frames.) With 3.5, I get mostly "acceptable" framerates. Acceptable to me. Low end is around 15fps, maybe slightly less. All the way up to 40+ in some zones at some angles. Usually hovers around low to mid 20s. Inside missions it's always smooth. Since that's where I do most of my fighting, I don't mind it getting slightly choppy outside. Haven't tried a Rikti or Hami raid yet, though.

Still having issues with blockiness and FSAA. HD5570, Catalyst version 10.4.



This is on 8x, looks about the same on 4x and 2x, fixed with FSAA off. As we discussed in-game earlier, Bill, I changed the filter in Catalyst to wide-tent and subsequently reset (this was before going to bed), back in the game now and it looks like this. CCC is set to let app decide for FSAA and anisotropic filtering. As you can see, ambient occlusion is completely off. Question: does the anti-aliasing mode matter? Right now it's on super-sample AA.

That screenshot looks exactly like the effect on buildings with AO and FSAA both on. DG, I have no idea what's going on there. I'll check AA mode later. I think I'm on the middle step... multisample I think.

EDIT: Scratch that, problem unchanged with adaptive multi-sample.